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how low in welcoming cross-talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle on the campaign trail joe biden said nothing would fundamentally changed he was right washington is again illegally bombing syria and why trump ism will not go away any time soon. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest marcus papadopoulos in london he's a historian analyst and author of the new book a rise will see

a return of russia to world politics and in budapest we have george said well he's a podcast direct the gavel which can be found on you tube and rumble right generally across up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate his go to marcus 1st i'm having a lot of enjoyment watching all of the people that criticize donald trump for bombing syria which i did at the time and the early part of his administration but the same people that criticize trump for doing that are praising joe biden for doing exactly the same thing that's probably the only value that twitter house it's a record to look at people's hypocrisy go ahead mark. well hater it didn't take long for joe biden to violate senate flagrantly violates international law so the 1st time as u.s. president when he ordered the american military to strike syria and specifically iranian forces in syria which i should add are legally in syria

and i should also add have played a vitally important low in the low back of the whole lot so i says and out ita now wouldn't it be interesting for joe biden to explain to the rest of the rose as to why he didn't alter the american military so it's hacked out qaida in its leap i put it so you that if america and britain had proper journalists not comprised of the posts of creatures who commonly occupy those positions then that question could be put to joe i didn't and i believe that would put him in a very good position but what does his attack on syria demonstrates it demonstrates that irrespective of who is in the white house a republican or a democrat america remains the same old america the cool objects of american foreign policy remains the same namely safeguard an american global mastery and

strengthen an american global mastery i would also say that his attack on syria was a message to iran that under game america will continue with its policy of seeking to destroy the iranian revolution and to return to advance how it was during the days of shock namely a facile states of america of america and i believe it's also joe biden's way of telling it to ron that america will not be resigning to the. a c.p.i. . you know it's an insurgent interesting norge number one in the western publics are never explain what iran is doing in syria as marcus rightly points out they're invited they're in there fighting jihad it's violent terrorist groups ok and

that is never explained to the it's the western publics and number 2 i guess you know joe's right america is back back bombing and it in and i would use slightly different terminology than mark as you know maintaining american hegemony they're making they're saying no we will challenge and even though they have no answers for the quagmire that they've created for themselves in the region go ahead george that's exactly right that quagmire was in large part created by the obama and biden administration when they cynically and ruthlessly tried to exploit the arab spring in 2011 to bring about a series of regime changes in the arab world. it started of course in libya and then it moved into syria and it's becoming increasingly clear that the by not ministration many of whose members are alone of the obama administration

want to resume the war in syria they've been pouring troops into syria from iraq now for you know ever since biden came into office yeah i'm the game of his or not he writes not exactly and now they're building another military base that and i believe that this attack. on syria because this happens on syrian soil for all the talk about oh this was an attack on a u.s. air base in iraq nonetheless the united states chose to respond by an attack on the syrian soil was laying down a marker. that we are about to resume our regime change operation i mean this this was repeatedly said by anthony blinken and if you look through. the no wiki leaks correspondence of. jake sullivan during the obama years they say quite clearly that they are very happy to be aligned with al qaeda in syria in

order to topple the government of bashar of us so i do think that this is a very. sinister development because i think that the syrian people who have been. through all inc are is now for about 10 years in large part inflicted by the united states another to get even more as the u.s. resumes its regime change operation and i think that's a very ominous not just for syria but for the middle east and for the world as a whole mark is it but this is you know putting a marker down is in like that description there because essentially what the biden ministration is saying is that there we will continue to attempt regime change forcibly illegally and as a french to and to damascus is allies in turn around and in moscow but we've been

turned has made it very clear that damascus government will not fall and is clear they have drawn a line here so i guess we have to draw the conclusion is that the biden ministration lincoln and others are willing to start a regional war way when we know they're in the of course the united states can bring to bear unbelievable military power but the people that it's targeting how amazing. different ways to to react ok symmetrical ways to react if i'm not mistaken or. man is very near the that they the straits of hormuz ok i mean then it becomes like just a regional issue it's a global issue but everybody knows that in washington but they continued this this sleep walk into more conflicts go ahead i believe s 2 purposes for washington continue and it's illegal military presence in syria fast it's

a way of maintaining a threat to the syrian government that perhaps one day america might be in a position again to try and talk who the right of the syrian government through the use of terrorist proxies in syria specifically outside that and isis and the americans are not folks they know that go is exceedingly unlikely to materialize why because of the russian military presence in syria but nonetheless the americans will look to the future and and frank that may be that they could come when there is another opportunity but i believe as a 2nd reason and i think the 2nd reason is more important than the 1st reason as a result of russia's legal military intervention in the syria in the syrian conflict and emphatically successful military intervention an unofficial

alliance has emerged in the middle east comprising of russia syria iran and i would also add to that hezbollah that is going to face off against another unofficial alliance in the middle east comprising america britain israel and saudi arabia now because of the unofficial alliance between moscow damascus to iran and has a lot that means that the americans the british the israelis and the saudis do not have the room for maneuver which they once enjoyed but with an. can military presence in syria which is russia's eisen is not just in the middle east and north africa i believe the americans look to military presence in syria as a way of intentionally we can in russia's position in syria but also limits in the influence and power of the unofficial alliance between russia syria iran and has

a lot of that is why i believe the americans will look to continuing to increase illegal military presence in syria i think that and i think there's another theory of the case at the same time george is that there is no real policy there really wasn't it really was incoherent from the get go and it is just to be a spoiler to make sure that no one else can make some have a settlement ok so in lieu of a strategy presence is the strategy ok and that is wasteful creates tensions it creates an possibilities for confrontation that are completely unnecessary and it's just putting up flying in the sand and saying we're here and there's nothing you can do about it which is you know not a policy ok and it's more of a reaction to the inability to to move events in the way that you want go ahead george know that that's exactly right i mean it wouldn't just simply say that the

policy is. to make life miserable for all but obviously the syrian people it is to thwart russia do to get them bogged down and lose money personal resources in russia and probably with a view to weakening it was to give position at home because then there's a game of putin got us into a quagmire where we going. it is just a matter of being spun as early as though they were it will never happen. that even if we haven't been able to get rid of him he will never be. be able to const solid it is government in syria because we will always have a presence there we will always deny him his own oil we will always deny him is agricultural produce so on aziz that the syrian people are going to be miserable so sure it is a kind of a spoiler is just to make life for everybody miserable and americans it's like yeah

we can do this and we're just going to go on doing this you know what marc is it needs you can't do continue with george's point here and it looks like it doesn't really matter in the white well i guess a good band because from want to get out so i do does the him but i mean other than that music and let an audience know there is a black why over damascus there are going to continue these machinations which is insane. yes absolutely and i believe that the americans today more than ever before are absolutely intent on taken all means necessary to safeguard base you kind of seem to me to waste why because russia is back in focus in the middle east in the arab world and because there is a strategic partnership between russia and iran the americans and the british do not have the room for maneuver which they want in joint in the middle east it's not to say the west and 6 from a seat in the middle east is going to collapse in the forseeable future it will

remain for me to believe in definitely but it just means that there is a very serious challenge to the americans and british and it's a waste and that i believe that well should rejoice ok gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news day archy. join me every thursday on the alex salmond's show and obviously to get us out of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see of that. in the early ninety's seventy's helmet

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difficult to get rid of trump ism and i think in the in the subtext is that the more you fester and complain and hunted down the more it will thrive but i get the thrust of your idea correct go ahead george sort of. ya leave remodel come back donald trump is stunning. we're only just a few days all wrong on the 2nd impeachment trial just a few days all. saturn republican senators voted to debate him including mitt romney who has a governor world record for the big vote at twice to convict the president of his own party for mitch mcconnell's extraordinary do not see a share as of today. it will be he will he will be making his appearance at the seat back and he will receive here or as well for. you know this is not an

extremist party this is pretty much the kind of mainstream conservative movement in the united states and everyone all ringback of the presidential contenders 2020 brought just slowly ted cruz everybody that has sat the body is donald trump you know is this is this is who are leader. and these are people who have ambitions of their own you know that they would also like to see the back room from because they want to clear the problems out nonetheless not of the. dass say anything other than you know we will follow translate into an interesting thing is that mcconnell has flipped i mean really i mean it it's almost an inexplicable and then you have mitt romney the only crime republican that twice went along with the impeachment he even said that he would support him if he was the nominee for 2024 i mean wow you know what marcus what i think is interesting about this is that

i think that the g.o.p. is that they're not really brainy people they're not they just you know don't have that history that pedigree unfortunately i would say that democrats and liberals they're ideologues you know and might be the g.o.p. just isn't really they're not geniuses but i think that one thing they're smart enough to understand is if you look at mainstream media academia hollywood big jack now they're there did they trying to corral people that supported donald trump and they're they're coming out with pitchforks it's really nasty the rhetoric is nasty investigations. surveillance the platforming of people getting book deals torpedoed i mean they're beginning to realize is that you know there's the you know we've been in the when i do we stick together are there going to paris all down and i think that that's a real fear and i think that's why you see a lot of these quote corporatism the bad guys saying whoa i mean that at least they

like they are the base likes one guy we need to start getting around him i'm reading this right because i think it's more out of a defensive position ok i have to you initial observations about stunning firstly. i during his 2 presidential campaigns 60162028 was unseemly clear that the man enjoys suppose last slice of the american population in. clued in african-americans and hispanics secondly i believe that the that a distinction needs to be made. when it were me talking about the republican party there is a difference between the grassroots of the republican party and the leadership of the republican party the leadership of the republican party in my estimation is very much a part of the american a status runs the grassroots of the republican party is quite different varying

lies a problem for the leadership of the republican party because y.o.l.o. donald trump is not ocular amongst the leaders of the republican party he enjoys very considerable support among the grassroots so that is why it's taken such a hostile stance on him and that is why i've laid that they could try and reason so i have a suspension from the r.t. or expel him from the republican party i didn't draw a comparison before happens in britain it can send in germany caught in the latest ship of the labor party has a long bay historically been a part of the british establishment the grass roots of the labor party adore gerry corbett what happened after he lost the general elections we fastened 19 and he's down it's labor leader the current labor leadership found a reason to suspend him from the labor party said gerry coping now sits as an

independent m.p. in the house of commons he's no longer a labor member and is no longer a labor m.p. i believe it is well within the elysees and the mindsets of the leadership of the republican party to replicate what happens in jersey coping. don't try. i don't know george what do you think about that because it seems to me and it went where we're experiencing right now and i think there's a lot of moving pieces right now is that there is a recognition that the big. wants trump to be in in the mix ok we don't know is like some kind of godfather figure that you know will anoint people's support you know or oregonians people and help them be primary. i think the leadership of the republican party is actually terrified of donald trump i mean really terrified because everything you throw at him and all it does is it in it gives it gives his base more oxygen and makes them even more angry and they're seeing this ok again

you know when you know this you know putting the fence was all around the capitol what is the threat you know it's it's trump supporters beating up that goes all the way back to the poor people moment with bill or clinton you know it was so well with you know you need we can't even visit the people's house now you're afraid of us you know i mean we're not talking about you know you know cells you know the mysterious cells underground and then you know they're they're saying it's 75000000 people they're the enemy right when i say that and that's it and barack obama this raises a very interesting question because i'm sure that mitch mcconnell and probably kevin mccarthy the minority leader would love to see drunk pick list. now in this cheney and they would love to see trump get going to fight it but they were already been warned and trump has made it clear that if you attempt to do anything like this i will run as a 3rd party now probably count when i just running on

a 3rd party but he can ensure that the republicans will lose so this will in fact be the dream come true for the democrats who are extremely unpopular they know they are very unpopular but they love to see the republicans fighting among themselves and hope you don't pray that there will be a 3rd party run by trump and to ensure the democrats are to much just happen in 1902 with ross perot's it campaign in iraq for a good. 20 percent of the vote but in short he didn't get very much but it did short it george h.w. bush would be defeated the same thing would happen if trouble with when trump would do better than ross perot him from the carry some states but he wouldn't win the election as a whole and so the democrats would be n. but going back to your point about the the attack on the deferrals there's no question this thing is is escalating the investigation of january the 2nd just

getting bigger and bigger and bigger not just everybody who attended the rally is being somehow under suspicion i mean the other day the f.b.i. published a photograph of a very cute. girl next door this is a person of interest that we're trying to look at if person of interest a future looks like she's just you know after you know of the at the mall with her friends the bison burgers and fries i mean it's it's not in this ok after all these are people who are just you know seriously thinking has no back what happened on january 6th nobody's telling us what exactly was an insurrection i mean but what exactly happened ok they're not wanted now was that or going to be the middle that the markets were rapidly running out and you know what the you know what when when george had to say about what the democrats want and you know and trump is their nightmare and their dream at the same time that's what makes him such an

interesting political figure but they need donald trump also that's they need to know as you talk about him and. because that's what that's the only thing that keeps their coalition together because you know you know joe biden well i guess you know there will be thinking dollars an hour you know oh we can't do one student loans we can't do this not because we're fighting drunk in the end it's rumpus and the movement you know we have to focus our energy there because what it is is that it's basically you know shrugging off. the progressive because the they said to the resident you both for as you know you'll get would you walk you know this time around well the usual thing with the democratic party is is that once they get power they show that reservoir but they need trump the keep that he gathered and it's a very sinister plan but it meant politically it makes sense go ahead with its case and there's not much in politics which is black and whites which is straight forward he is an example where i believe there is

a very straight forward situation and a very straightforward solution to this situation if the grassroots of the republican party wants to save america if they want to preserve american culture if they want to preserve the american national identity if they want su safeguards women's rights if they want to safeguard children's rights if they want to go back the mo degeneracy of hollywood's then they have to carry out a revolution within the republican party they need to relieve the republican party of its current leadership because if the current leadership of the republican party are not relieved if they are not front out then this will simply play into the hands of the democrats and women's rights will be in further pambo children's rights will be in further peril under biden and under

a democratic successor i believe that is the solution and i depend on that and i think this is your absolute that's the stakes here lately george tenet outlet last minute here and it's really not about the base that really got the leadership it's about the donor class that's what needs to be decided ok don't take their money we don't want your money we don't want your dirty filthy money for your agenda because i think the party has to make a decision go steak or producing globalist or go working class. there's not you have to decide 30 seconds george yeah that's right and that's the base contemplates . biden administration team which is the picture wall open borders. boys in girls' locker rooms. i don't pay $15.00 minimum wage combined with. unemployment all of this is just simply going to

obama on steroids and that will you know it's the worst possible outcome for the night i mean. and that's what i and that's why we know it was a failure in why trump was elected in the 1st place and he doesn't succeed same as yours i want to thank my guests and budapest and in london i want to thank our viewers for watching as you're r.t.c. next time remember rostock rules. say that. if they pay for them both of us about to him i'm going to let them do so. thank god. and i played just the type to use upon each one a prototype to be in the. moment i. was a process my voice been. a little you feel good in the interviews i'll

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