the obama's protect its own existence as axis of. mass pro and anti-government rallies are being held in the armenian capital with police attempting to keep the crowds apart as political unrest in the country intensifies. also in the headlines this hour joe biden is slammed for going soft on the saudis after failing to deliver on his promise to punish the kingdom's crown prince for his alleged role in the murder of a prominent journalist and. lashing out at the locked out violence erupts in several countries around europe as people fight back against coronavirus measure. and un human rights experts demanded an

international investigation into the alleged poisoning of kremlin critic alex a no ball name although russia says it's still waiting to be shown any actual proof . that's all for world news headlines my colleague neil harvey will be taking over in just about an hour thanks for watching and we hope you have a great day. hello and welcome to cross talk were on things are considered on the campaign trail joe biden said nothing would fundamentally changed he was right washington is again illegally bombing syria and why trump ism will not go away any time soon.

to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest marcus papadopoulos in london he's the historian analyst and author of the new book our rise rossiya the return of russia to world politics and in budapest we have george said well he's a podcast direct the gavel which can be found on you tube and rumble right generally across up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate you guys go to marcus 1st i'm having a lot of enjoyment watching all of the people that criticize donald trump for bombing syria which i did at the time and the early part of his administration but the same people that criticize trump for doing that are praising joe biden for doing exactly the same thing that's probably the only value that twitter has it's a record to look at people's hypocrisy go ahead mark. well hater it didn't take

long for joe biden to violate senate flagrantly violates international law so the 1st time as u.s. president when he ordered the american military to strike syria and specifically iranian forces in syria which i should add are legally in syria and i should also add have played a vitally important low in the low back of the whole world so i says and out ita now wouldn't it be interesting for joe biden to explain to the rest of the woes as to why he didn't alter the american military so it's hacked out qaida in its leap i put it so you that if america and britain had. journalists not comprised of the creatures who currently occupy those positions then that question could be put to joe biden and i believe that would put him in a very good position but what does his attack on syria demonstrates it demonstrates

that irrespective of who is in the white house a republican or a democrat america remains the same old america the cool objects of american foreign policy remains the same namely to safeguard an american global mastery and strengthen an american global mastery i would also say that his attack on syria was a message to iran that under haim america will continue with its policy of seeking to destroy the iranian revolution and to return to violence how it was during the days of shock namely a facile states of america of america and i believe it's also joe biden's way of telling it to ron that america will not be written in to the. a c.p.i. . you know it's an insurgent interesting norge number one in the western publics

are never explain what iran is doing in syria as marcus rightly points out they're invited there and they're fighting jihad it's violent terrorist groups ok and that is never explained to the it's the western publics and number 2 i guess you know joe's right america is back back bombing and it in and i would use slightly different terminology than mark as you know maintaining american hegemony they're making they're saying no we will challenge it even though they have no answers for the quagmire that they've created for themselves in the region go ahead george that's exactly right that quagmire was in large part created by the obama and biden administration when they cynically and ruthlessly tried to exploit the arab spring in 2011 to bring about a series of regime changes in the arab world. it started it was in libya and then

it moved into syria and it's becoming increasingly clear that the by not ministration many of whose members are alone of the obama administration who want to resume the war in syria they've been pouring troops into syria from iraq now or you know ever since biden came into office yeah i'm the game of his or not he writes not exactly and now they're building another military base that and i believe that this attack. on syria because this happens on syrian soil for all the talk about oh this was an attack on a u.s. air base in iraq nonetheless the united states chose to respond by an attack on syrian soil was laying down a marker. that we are about to resume our regime change operation i mean this this

was repeatedly said by anthony blinken and if you look through. the wiki leaks correspondence of. jake sullivan during the obama years they say quite clearly that they are very happy to be aligned with al-qaeda in syria in order to topple the government of bashar al assad so i do think that this is a very. sinister development because i think that for the syrian people who have been. through or link or is now for about 10 years in large part inflicted by the united states another to get even more as as the u.s. resumes its regime change operation and i think that's a very ominous not just for syria but for the middle east and for the world as a whole mark is it but this is you know putting

a marker down is in like that description there because essentially what the biden ministration is saying is that there we will continue to attempt regime change forcibly uniquely and as a french to and to damascus as allies in turn around and in moscow but we've been turned has made it very clear that damascus government will not fall and is clear they have drawn a line here so i guess we have to draw the conclusion is that the biden ministration lincoln and others are willing to start a regional war way when we know that in the of course the united states can bring to bear unbelievable military power but the people that it's targeting have amazing. different ways to to react ok symmetrical ways to react if i'm not mistaken or. ran is very near the that they

the straits of hormuz ok i mean then it becomes like just a regional issue it's a global issue but everybody knows that in washington but they continue this this sleep walk into more conflicts go ahead i believe best to purposes for washington continue and it's illegal military presence in syria fast it's a way of maintaining a threat to the syrian government that perhaps one day america might be in a position again to try and talk to the right of the syrian government through the use of terrorist proxies in syria specifically outside that and isis and the americans are not folks they know that go is exceedingly unlikely to materialize why because of the russian military presence in syria but nonetheless the americans will look to the future and and frank that may be that they could

come when there is another opportunity but i believe as a 2nd race and and i think the 2nd reason is more important than the 1st reason as a result of russia's legal military intervention in the syria in the syrian conflict and emphatically successful military intervention an unofficial alliance has emerged in the middle eighty's comprising of russia syria iran and i would also add to that as a law that is going to face off against another unofficial alliance in the middle east comprising america britain israel and saudi arabia now because of the unofficial alliance between moscow damascus to iran and has a lot that means that the americans the british the israelis and the saudis do not have the room for maneuver which they once enjoyed but with an. can military presence in syria which is russia's eisen is not just in the middle east and north

africa i believe the americans look to military presence in syria as a way of intentionally weaken in russia's position in syria but also limits in the influence and power of the unofficial alliance between russia syria iran and has a lot of that is why i believe the americans will look to continue into increased illegal military presence in syria i think that and i think there's another theory of the case at the same time george is that there is no real policy there really wasn't it really was incoherent from the get go and it is just to be a spoiler to make sure that no one else can make some have a settlement ok so in lieu of a strategy presence is the strategy ok and that is wasteful it creates tensions it creates an possibilities for confrontation that are completely unnecessary and it's just putting up flying in the sand and saying we're here and

there's nothing you can do about it which is you know not a policy ok and it's more of a reaction to the inability to to move events in the way that you want go ahead george know that that's exactly right i mean it would just simply say that the policy is. to make life miserable for all of us of the syrian people it is to thwart russia do to get them bogged down and lose money personal resources in russia and probably with a view to weakening was who gives position at home because that is a game of putin got us into a quagmire where we going. it is just a matter of being spun as early as though they were it will never happen. that even if we haven't been able to get rid of him he will never pay. be able to const solid it is government in syria because we will always have

a presence there we will always deny him his own oil we will always deny him is agricultural produce so zona sees that the syrian people are going to be miserable so sure it is a kind of a spoiler it's just to make life for everybody miserable and the markets like yeah we can do this and we're just going to go on doing this you know mark is a meeting you can't continue with george's point here and it looks like it doesn't really matter in the whiteman's well i guess it didn't matter because from want to get out so i do does the him but i mean other than not use it and let him up until there's a black wire over damascus they're going to continue these machinations which is insane. yes absolutely and i believe that the americans. more than ever before are absolutely intent on taken all means necessary to safeguard us you kind of seem to me to waste why because russia is back in focus in the middle east

in the arab world because there is a strategic partnership between russia and iran the americans and the british do not have the room for maneuver which they want in joint in the middle east it's not to say the west and 6 from a seat in the middle east is going to collapse in the forseeable future it will remain for me to indefinitely but it just means that there is a very serious challenge to the americans and british in to me to waste and so that i believe the well should rejoice ok gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news day archy. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and obviously to the guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then.

some say that but they. would pay for those of us about the human ball be hobbyists and to let the producer. i listen to franklin gets a crock to test them and i play the type his opponent. has tons of my liking as a basis most of which been. his feel good in though in. the developing world you couldn't get over the love of a. welcome across top where all things are considered i'm peter beltran mind you we're talking about some real news.

we're going to go back to george in budapest away and discussing what we would discuss on this program you see i suggested to me that we talk about how. it will be very difficult to get rid of trump ism and i think the the subtext is that the more you fester and complain and hunted down the more it will thrive but i get the thrust of your idea correct go ahead george sort them out right ya need a remarkable comeback donald trump is stunning. we're only just a few days all wrong on a new 2nd beach one trial just a few days all. saturn republican senators voting today. including mitt romney going to well right well the big vote twice to convict the president of his own. for mitch mcconnell's extraordinary. as are today.

he will be making his appearance at. the seat back and he were received hearers welker. and you know this isn't an extremist party this is pretty much the kind of mainstream conservative movement in the united states and everyone all ringback of the presidential contenders 2020 people or just holy ted cruz everybody that has sat the potty is donald trump you know is this is this this who our leader it's. and these are people who have ambition for their own you know they would also like to see the back room from because they want to clear the problems out nonetheless none of them dance say anything other than you know really will follow trying to keep the engine interesting thing is that mcconnell has flipped that i mean i mean it's almost an inexplicable and then you have mitt

romney the only crime republican did twice when along with the impeachment he even said that he would support him if he was the nominee for 2024 i mean wow you know what marcus what i think is interesting about this is that i think that the g.o.p. is that they're not really brainy people they're not they just you know don't have that history that pedigree unfortunately i was in the democrats in the liberals there ideologues you know and but be the g.o.p. just isn't really they're not geniuses but i think that one thing they're smart enough to understand is if you look at mainstream media academia hollywood big tech now they're there did they trying to corral the people that supported donald trump and they're they're coming out with pitchforks it's really nasty the rhetoric is nasty investigations. surveillance the platforming of people getting book deals torpedoed i mean the beginning to realize is that you

know there's the you know we bet and if when i do we stick together are there going to paris all down and i think that that's a real. fear and i think that's why you see a lot of these quote corporatism the bad as saying whoa i mean the enemies they like they are the base likes one guy and we need to start getting around him i'm reading this right because i think it's more out of a defensive position head i have to initial observations about startle trunk firstly today and during his 2 presidential campaigns and 60162028 was abundantly clear that the man enjoys support from the vast slaves of the american population including african-americans and hispanics secondly i believe that the distinction needs to be made. when it may talk about the republican party there is

a difference between the grassroots of the republican party and the leadership of the republican party the leadership of the republican party in my estimation is very much a part of the american a status runs the grassroots of the republican party is quite different varying lies a problem for the leadership of the republican party because y.o.l.o. donald trump is not ocular amongst the latest of the republican party he enjoys very considerable support among the grassroots so that is why it's taken such a hostile stance on him and that is why i've laid that they could try and reason so i have a suspension from the r.t. or expel him from the republican party i would draw a comparison with what happens in britain it can send in germany caught in the latest ship of the labor party has a long day historically been a part of the british establishment the grassroots of the labor party adore gerry

corbett what happened after he lost the general elections we fastened 19 and he's down. it's late late the current labor leadership found a reason to suspend him from the labor party so germy koeppen now sits as an independent in the house of commons he's no longer a labor member and is no longer a labor m.p. i believe it is well within the space and the mindsets of the leadership of the republican. to replicate what happens jervy coping. don't try. i don't know george what do you think about that because it seems to me and it went where what we're experiencing right now and i think there's a lot of moving pieces right now is that there is a recognition that the base wants trump to be in in the mix ok we don't know is like some kind of godfather figure that you know will anoint people support you know or oregonians people and help them be primary. i think that leadership of the

republican party is actually terrified of donald trump i mean really terrified because everything you throw at him and all it does is it him in it it gives it gives his base more oxygen it makes him even more angry and they're seeing this ok again you know what you know this is you know putting the fence was wall around the capital what is the threat you know it's it's trump supporters bt and that's goes all the way back to the chloral moment with pillory clinton you know it was so well we you know you need we can't even visit the people's house now you're afraid of us you know i mean we're not talking about you know you know all the cells you know the mysterious cells underground and then you know they're they're saying it's 75000000 people they're the enemy right when i say that and that's it and barack obama this raises a very interesting question because i'm sure that mitch mcconnell and probably kevin mccarthy the minority leader would love to see grant pick elysee

palace jamie and they would love to see trump get down to fight it but they were already here. been warned and trump has made it clear that if you attempt to do anything like this i will run as a 3rd party now probably he counted when are just running on a 3rd party but he can ensure that the republicans all lose so this would if i could be the dream come true for the democrats who are extremely unpopular they know they are very unpopular but they love to see the republicans fighting among themselves and i hope you don't pray that there will be a search party run by trump and to ensure the democrats are to much as happened in 1902 with ross perot's it campaign morocco got about 20 percent of the vote but ensured he didn't get very much but he did sure that george h.w. bush would be defeated the same thing would happen if truck with went from would do better than ross perot he probably carry some states but he wouldn't win the

election as a whole and so the democrats would be n. but going back to your point about the the attack on the deferrals there's no question this thing is escalating the investigation of january the 2nd just getting bigger and bigger and bigger not just about everybody who attended the rally is being is somehow under suspicion i mean the other day the f.b.i. published a photograph of a very cute. girl next door this is a person of interest that we're trying to look at if person of interest looks like she's just you know after you know of the at the mall with her friends the bison burgers and fries i mean it's a it's not in this ok after all these are. you know seriously making us now back to what happened on january 6th nobody's telling us what example was an insurrection i mean but what exactly happened ok they're not going to know it was that or going to

be the middle that the markets were rapidly running out you know what the you know what when you when george. say about what the democrats want and you know and trump is their nightmare and their dream at the same time that's what makes them such an interesting political figure but they need donald trump also that's they need it so as you talk about him it would happen because it's what that's the only thing that keeps their coalition together because you know you know joe biden well i guess you know there will be their $15.00 an hour you know oh we can't do one student loans we can't do that you know do this not because we're biting drawn in the end that trump has the movement you know we have to focus there in there because what it is is that it's basically you know i'm sure being off the progressives because the they said to the president you both for as you know you'll get when you walk you know this time around well the usual thing with the democratic party is is that once they get power they show that resumes are what they need from the keep that he

get there and it's a very sinister plan but it meant politically it makes sense go ahead it's ok so there's not much in politics which is why it's which is straight forward here is an example where i believe there is a very straight forward situation and a very straightforward solution to this situation is the grassroots of the republican party wants to save america if they want to preserve american culture if they want to preserve the american national identity if they want safeguards women's rights if they want to safeguard children's rights if they want to go back to the moment degeneracy of hollywood's advantage they have to carry out a revolution within the public and they need to relieve the republican party of its current leadership because if the current leadership of the republicans are not

really if they are knots trying to out then this will simply play. into the hands of the democrats and women try this will be in further peril a children's rights will be in further peril on the biden and on the democratic successor i believe that is the solution and i don't on that i think this is your absolute that's the stakes here lately george tenet out last minute here and it's really not about the base not really got the leadership it's about the donor class that's what needs to be decided ok don't take their money we don't want your money we don't want your dirty filthy money for your agenda because the party has to make a decision go steak or producing globalist or go working class there's not you have to decide 30 seconds george yeah that's right and that's the base contemplates the biden administration team which is a perpetual war open borders. boys in girls' locker rooms.

a kind of a $50.00 minimum wage combined with mass of unemployment all of this is you're simply going to obama on steroids and therefore you know it's the worst possible outcome for the night i mean come in that way and that's why we know it was a failure in why trump was elected in the 1st place and he doesn't 16 the same as yours i want to thank my guests in budapest and in london i want to thank our viewers for watching as the iraqis the next time remember us like rules. it's seemed wrong. when old rules just told. me you

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