and today we interview 2 top guests with vastly different views on the road ahead for the grand old party as martin president of the phyllis schlafly eagles and rena tshabalala who is fighting to a republican woman for biden all of that much more to come up in the show but 1st charity to emails and messages in response to our show last week featuring professor richard murphy in our discussion on economics and political economy terry says professor murphy is extremely eloquent he makes complex issues excessive bill view such as his and those of common weale are what we need coming out of the pandemic terrorists al says it was an excellent show as always but particularly good this week as richard murphy explains what a newly independent scotland can be and how energy will see it we are happy to says exciting stuff from professor murphy encouraging for scotland norman says we need to get that information to the professor was discussing there so that more can hear

and realise that scotland has an incredible opportunity to decide its own destiny and place in the world i was says the e.u. will once scotland definitely has a foolproof european either contributor and we should be part of that european union as a full and equal partner sunda whoever says and pay a lot for it too and finally alan mccarthy says excellent show richard murphy is an asset that scotland should be using with his excitement of course through an economic argument thank you well thank you very much indeed alan for your comment and then over to alex who's interviewing rina shot finder of republican women for biden really show welcome to the island so i'm sure things were hurting me. rima you were successful in the election you got praise them biden elected at least helped get them elected how's that working out so far well right now we're seeing exactly where most americans expect to see in the 1st 100 days of

any presidency which is the settling in of a new administration one that feels sometimes familiar yet uncertain we're seeing a candidate make good on the promises of his campaign trail and i think that's why i was confident mostly in my vote for joe biden just because i thought that clear somebody when they get into the oval office they're not measuring the drapes they're not sort of taking at the greatness of being in that position because he's the leader of that he had a very robust role in my opinion as a vice president and he believes in one for his vice president as well and so have the confidence that i have in this president is a he will get in a day one that he will hit the ground running so we're seeing a mixture of that right now has it been perfect absolutely not he's a flawed human just like anybody else but i'm most excited about really the promises made with the current with 19 pandemic which was what many of us really wanted to see from whoever was going to take the or all of this next. but from the

dime side from your point of view it looks like the donald this back in his speech to the c.p.i.'s conference this week and the case that looks like him tends to taint complete role of the republican party how do you feel about that well donald trump is back as a private citizen and like i just said with american politics the tea times the real change clearly the existential threat has been neutralized for the moment i think and that was he was very divisive in so many ranks and i think the nation really needed healing from that but it's that rhetoric interest rhetoric he waits and which we saw take into it go into action are generous that the job i mean he signed up for a very difficult task but his life story here is that obama that's hard different than dollars. from a world that many americans can only imagine is really mom and so what he's really doing out in his leg as

a private citizen is going right back to that world country club encounter while americans across the country 'd are suffering mothers like myself who are very young children have not had their children or for a year now it's been one year my children of it. and i really believe the poor handling the pandemic entirely arbitrary to this situation by the advocates of donald trump say that yourself and people like you who campaign for the democrats are not real republicans how would you answer about jobs and i would think that donald trump was not a real republican i opposed him from the minute he declared his candidacy because i did not find him to be a republican in any way his his records speak to that entirely his opponents in that republican primary gave great statements and would look at history he didn't do nations to liberal candidates his own lifestyle it was a real moment. in which the republican party showed its true colors when they

allowed chuck to hijack the party and to come in and really without any empirical evidence say that i'm one of you so the reality of this is that donald trump goes out into history and into the canals of history more than anything else as a disgrace president if the republicans want to say that this is their standard bearer they can do that but there should be room for divergent viewpoints like mine in the party one that means that we can reject what we don't believe is right for the country donald trump rejected science and that is while we continue to have the current 1000 impact over half a 1000000 americans dead on our shores because of what happened under his watch now donald trump was beaten disgraced as you put it but nonetheless in terms of the popular vote he got the highest vote of any republican candidate in

a presidential election has slipped so it must appeal to many many sections of american society. well certainly that's a good point and i think it was because frankly republicans did not want to vote for the democrat so many people in what i found over the course of the past year were not willing to still take a chance on a democrat and it's because of the strain polarization in the country people on the right hand demonize the left that had sat that democrats wanted to take us closer to a country like venezuela they've employed booky man tactics to get republicans to say you're better off going for the one that's currently here than what you don't know and that really speaks to the problem here we've had for a time for a long time now we've had so many average americans feel like they're not represented whether it's federally or even in state houses across the country they feel that politicians are beyond their reach that they're not average people and

that they go to public service to enrich themselves i think that what we really saw here happen in election 2020 was people say what's another 4 years that's what republicans took into account they didn't make the calculation that i made is that another 4 years could be dangerous for the country and i think that's why so many more republicans expect it clicked for donald trump again but just when people like yourself thought it was safe to get back in the water at times are these not going away to play golf he is back again so what happens to the republican party with us over winning presence of the donald tightening all that. well like i said i don't turn the room again i feel there is certainly been a wave of the tweeter and she added we want to be in the needle anymore waiting the next bulletin china shop moment at a news cycle has slowed here in the united states which is good for the american

psyche i believe but when you just touched on it with the charm meant not worrying there and that is true of the truck movement isn't going anywhere and the week interesting to watch how that went down the years if i am because trump and her and it seemed to be hinting at a shadow presidency as well and that's the kimberly caldwell that it's the pack this weekend she was the former big news personality here in the united states and it's now the program and. she spoke at the back and she sent trouble achieve more from his desk and wired in but i wouldn't call her harris will the next 4 years that's really wild to me that's not democratic that's not respecting our american norms and tradition and i think even though there's not a libel polling challenge to the bathroom during the americans do you want our norms and institutions respected they were and how be theft is that to be alive but when we look at the mention of donald trump's politics can you put your finger on what is it that you're so hostile to as these policies on the economy isn't of

national policies it ought to set the the lack of respect to the trump sil's forms a more riot if sections of american society i find on the truck to be a want to be dictator that's really ultimately what it is for me i'm a father is i believe keep uganda and we know what dictators do we know when government gets too big and too oppressive and donald trump is a big government guy while on the other side of his mouth he tells conservatives that he's a small government guy he's a guy who doesn't have any kind of doctrine he hates certain groups of people simply for existing to me he showed the. country where he really believes the country should be and it should be a country in his opinion that is predominantly comprised of white folks who practice a certain type of christianity that's all events and that's not what america wants america genuinely wants to be the melting pot that people like myself who are

raising the eighty's and ninety's until it could be this beautiful experiment where people come together from different walks of life and really subscribe to certain things this pursuit of freedom and liberty and equality for all the riva shah the plenty of many trump some want to be some sort of lighting up to seize the top at some point from the donald if it decides to pass on can you point to a stunt of better from you wing of the publican party who might be a serious challenger to take it in a different direction. well what common theme we start this past week at the conservative political action conference was gaslighting tonight. folks were saying you know they're wrong the g.o.p. is not divided we're a big night party and they're been trying certain good thing and that you know we might have some differences within the republican party but trying to energize a part of the electorate that's necessary to keep in teach for the future for the

g.o.p. to win and that the g.o.p. will continue to build up what we're trying to get them and they still very much the figurehead i reject that i do think the republican party is quite perhaps shared more so than what mainstream media in the united states at least is willing to admit as well so it's going to take a good bit of time to reset her hungry station again and speaking every century i think there are some good center right voices that really will be allocated at some time particularly in the lead up to our 2022 midterm elections i'm looking at people like congressman adam kinzinger from illinois a good young boy in his only has early 40th congresswoman lynn cheney of course the daughter of congresswoman brown bags president dick cheney and she's the number 3 republican in the house she has shown that she can stand up on principle and speak your mind it doesn't have to be in unity with everybody else in your caucus also congressman jamie were up there and young mother in her early forty's as well from

washington state she's a congresswoman who also voted with congresswoman lynn cheney they were the only 2 female republicans in the house of representatives who voted to impeach donald trump a 2nd time so i think these are the voices of the future not studies that show that the majority of americans make up the reasonable center and yet 30 percent of the extreme wings are in control of all our national conversation so that leads to a misunderstanding of reality this market of centrist has to be tapped in order for us to really build a stronger and more in the united future and said that's what i'm looking at those choices studio. really shall find out of g. or p. woman for prez the biden thank you so much for joining me on the alec salmon show thank you for having me let's stay with us for a totally different perspective on the future of the republican party from ed mock the president of the phyllis schlafly eagle society so i said.

they are tactics that can be used to get innocent people to confess to crimes they didn't commit i don't even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to the person who falsely from the past actually came to believe the

lie that they were told about their own behavior once a false confession a stake in the case is closed and nobody really can tell the difference between a good confession and one that isn't. welcome back to the shall we now return from republicans for biden to republicans for chump and alex interview ed martin president often the shafique of. welcome back to they are like salmon show thank you alex always good to talk to you . ed you're not the only one that is but donald trump is but like the terminator but the question i'm going to us you looking to come by this week is the north the danger of that instead of c.p. you have go what don't know some good new co p.

pocket though it's the trump conservative political issue as opposed to the conservative coalition is that no a big well it's a it's an astute observation alec and let me explain what i what i had saw in the last 4 years with donald trump as president he really became the dominant republican political figure now that's no surprise in a certain way but because he is not sort of fading off the scene like reagan did for example reagan was the last dominant american republican political player like trump but trump's not leaving right he's he's staying in the in the fray and you're exactly right when when donald trump is at the party he takes all the oxygen out of the room he's one of the greatest showman we've ever had is one of the great leaders we've had and so i think it is donald trump's party the but that doesn't matter what matters is the next election is almost 18 months away and then after that the presidential in between now and then trump is going to coalesce the $74000000.00 plus supporters who voted for him and then we're going to see where it

goes and i think they'll still be some twists and turns but i think that's what he was doing at sea-tac but it look at the people that say the republican party is up for grabs they're not understanding american politics it's trumps party america 1st less foreign wars smaller government drain the swamp but it's all trump right now and i think that's going to be that way for as long as he wants it in a certain sense but every lead us to have succession planning and it's not easy to see that is within the ranks of the republican front runners anybody who could realistically dawn the same monteux the donald you're right ah. donald trump is going to eclipse anyone sort of coming in behind him and but i think you know american politics again it moves on those structures in 2022 they'll be another one in 2024 and i think we'll see some things a merge i believe donald trump needed to do what he did for him and he needed to do

it because he needed to solidify the option i don't know that he has a plan yet on where to go i kind of think in american politics we often say it's a mistake to run the last election they changed so much and there's going to still be some more changing but again it's it's trump's party and he's the dominant figure in america on the center right now. how does the trump come back and make people like mitch mcconnell feel with him capitol hill isn't he the soft a figure of the donald trump would still need and he seems to be funnily alienated when donald trump was president mitch mcconnell passed into office by a by the senate about 250 judges transforming our judiciary mitch mcconnell knows the game and if he gets a president on his side he'll play the game if he gets a president opposed to him like biden he'll play the game so i don't think that's the question the bigger question alex is i think we've seen now

a true transformation in america the parties are separating and the republican party has a claim still has to be sort of worked on but a claim for working americans a claim for the a noninterventionist wing of the republican party that's a new for us right that in the last 25 years republican party has been the party that fought to fight the wars and change the world so donald trump shifted on immigration on china the republican party has a stark set of positions that are different than they were or maybe more solid in a certain sense than they were 4 years ago that's a big change so going forward mitch mcconnell will come in behind whatever the successes because he's got to win races and in 2022 mitch mcconnell's got to win races in senate races to get back the senate and he's going to care where the base is and donald trump is talking to the base on cash a question about the difference between. center right and right wing ideas on the

economy and philosophy and the force of personality is a no a danger of the some of the right's ideas on how you should run a column in a society rather the clips by donald trump's personality where he seems to react to a variety of situations on impulse as opposed to having a body of thought behind. you think let's be unfair on you you'll stand a better no i think it's fair actually alec i might say it's less on impulse than on his instincts about how to operate a business and his and his success in life but i would say the republican party the conservative party has changed look i found myself and i'm a pretty conservative guy on a lot of social issues and other things on the economy i'm less convinced that the free market with the government we have right now can operate the way it's supposed to in other words the free market is constricted by government therefore we have to change what we're doing here's an example i said this on an r.t.

program last week i was i was adamant the republican party has to embrace helping working people this may mean that we have to give direct payments to working people as they transition that doesn't sound like a conservative on the economy and i think trump move the party to being open to that in a way they weren't before look the republican party used to arrive at wall street to pay homage to these great titans of industry now we say the system is rigged and we have to change the system that sounds a little bit like left wingers on some of these issues so trunk's instincts towards populism has transformed the can transform the conservatives not to your point out you've got to keep developing ideas in behind it to make it clear to people what's happening but in this transformation the information age and all that's happening so fast we've got to be different than the old free market that says it'll just work out for you if you just play by the system the system is stomping a lot of americans it's happening the world too so i think trump has led us in that

direction rather infested in the idea of fair martin being dragged to the left on the economy by donald trump but i'll let it pass and that's you instead if let's say i was right of said to the american on the economy and perhaps the slight fall of adventurism and to venture. of military policy but on the other hand i didn't like the president's record they called society and thought it was a bit old fashioned that would to the public and possibly still be a comfortable home for me. well i'd look i think alec something i hope so i mean i think we have to adjust our rhetoric as you say every leader is going to be different and i think after the trump era era period there be some other people that will be different in terms of tone and all the problem we have right now is big tack and our old media are really dominating what we see and hear and know so

a lot of people were afraid of donald trump and coded when you look inside the numbers a lot of other people working class african-americans working class hispanics were saying that's a guy that's on my side and i think again we've got to pull all that together he's a transformational you know transition character but those pieces i think are real and i think they'll make room for different kinds of supporters like the positions you have i over time i think that will solidify but it is a big challenge. adonal come has galvanized support new support for the republican party of the no doubt he has achieved the 2nd loves of american presidential vote in history and was motivated by henman has passed but on the other hand he's also galvanized the love just american presidential popular vote and history and that was the vote for president biden so is a lot of difficulty in that while you have motivating all these new republicans you

know so motivating lots of new democrats yes of course i mean in terms of the election results as you saw them but a couple things i would say i think the covert situation is one that we presented headwinds unlike anything anyone could have anticipated and i think in america alec and in terms of our our voting blocks our seniors were really scared by the coven and i think didn't think the president the president could handle it i don't think any president could handle we're seeing the lionized democrat in new york a governor cuomo is being is being taken apart because what looked like great work wasn't so good but now look at the president trump has been able to galvanize supporters on his vision i would say the opposition to him alex has been galvanized by the fake news media spending a lot the russia hoax was a hoax but it was a couple of years of of propaganda to the american people and a lots of people really should watch c.n.n. they believe that donald trump was working with the russians that the russians

stole the election all that then that fine people hoax in charlottesville where the president said it directly said i condemn neo nazis and white supremacy as he was talking about fine people who care about statues and debate history and i was pounded into the american people by the fake news media and there are lots of people in america that think donald trump was hitler when you look at the actual facts and you say the supreme court hemmed him and all the time the congress had to men all the time the american people have been all the time he wasn't even conservative on some things. i thought he should have been conservative on so is hardly hitler could more questions on the suspect. is what we're seeing here in america something of 2 essentially when of course successive presidents have to rail against the comb buy ins and i have one steel and heavy industry which were how dextre and behold in the medical economy. you see some pot wells and tabs of some regalia against big. people used to essentially go regale

against big steel i do think that's true but here's another one more thing alex to think about i'm not sure with the intensity of media and social media that we may have in america ever a 2 term president because by now 6 or 8 weeks or however many days into bides administration even the left is picking him apart right it's almost impossible to operate this massive government and not have major mess ups and so suddenly it's the guy in office and someday a gallon office that takes on the weight the takes on the water and is flailing and you've got a challenger who says i'll be better and then get in and they have the same problem so i think it's easier now for trump to say look i did some things right biden is stumbling and that's partly what you're seeing and finally eagle ed one quick tip for us when less talk has finally passed on by donald trump who's going to pass on to well i think that the guy that's really right now strong as rhonda santas the

governor the governor of florida he was a congressman he was in the military remember people people especially american are sensibility of our candidates they get shaped by these kinds of things and so rhonda santas is one guy that saw a big name josh holley from missouri who's on my home state is a very impressive young guy remember america tends to nominate candidates at least from our senate or from our governors so when you think of the bench it's very uncommon for a guy like donald trump to come in you know in america mark. you've been talks about running the the billionaire our investors got fame and all but i think we're going to look at senators like holly senators like rhonda sanchez but i think it's far off alex before we see who comes after trump he's going to be around as i tell people for 50 years he's been a player in national and international media when he was a younger man in new york the apprentice now president i don't think he's going to quite stop by you know going to retire and play golf he's going to keep playing the game whether he's the candidate or not will be

a different question but we won't know for a while. president of the phyllis schlafly eagle society thank you once again for joining me. always a pleasure alex thank you. not so long ago lots and lots of journalists and even a few voters used to mourn about the the lack of real choice in american politics donald j. trump changed all of that and now he's back like the terminator now the party is being reborn in his image and the creaking republican establishment is once again playing for time pretending to climb up well in reality wringing their hands others are already climbing aboard the next donald bandwagon trump know carries the support of a large and vocal minority right across the united states he has reached into sections of society that other republicans can't reach his appeal is to main street perhaps to the back street certainly not to wall street however in politics every

action has a reaction and in time the democrats of assembled a large and mighty and a winning coalition against them and there's no doubt that some person has mobilized the 2nd largest vote in american presidential history the problem for the republicans it is also mobilize the largest vote in american presidential history and that was the mandate that elected president biden and so forth has made them a self an all is sure it's goodbye for no stay safe and we'll see again next week.

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