sued she was arrested popped off news protest. she was guilty of already certainly accused of violating borders directions on walkie talkies and there also was a charge against former president when meant you don't believe these charges are true as the shore up of terror of the united nations there are completely absurd and i think it is the evidence that the generals are completely out of touch is the fact that they would actually think then we would believe that there is any credibility to these charges or to that or to the justice system it is an injustice system there's no question at all in my mind about what's going on in myanmar and the protests were not sparked in my view by the arrest alongside suchi in the present or start by the fact that this democracy has been overturned that a country on its way making its way to respect for democracy

respect for human rights on the road was completely overturned how is it possibly on the road to end the u.n. is saying in testimony at these doing in december the worst paul graham's of the century. i mean i mean the i.c.j. said it wasn't genocide against the ring yeah but and the i think given for months but how was it on the road before these present protests to some kind of democratic nation heard. right it was a developing democracy and by that i mean if you look at what me and more looked like before we began to see elections we saw thousands and thousands of political prisoners. in prison under horrific conditions you had a total military authoritarian state in which people had absolutely no rights

whatsoever then you have an agreement then an agreement to begin to make our way into democracy now the generals call it discipline democracy they had control of key ministries which of course we understand that they controlled for. over i want to pose a quick history you mean it was like that when hundreds of thousands and tens of thousands maybe were being killed when the united states government was backing the gent i have had throughout my career concerns questions and i've been very clear about my criticisms of any inconsistency is with the united states government or any government when it comes to this but my point is this things are bad in the end more but sanctions that were established. before the elections that happened in 2015. had the effect of forcing there to be at

least some semblance of a democracy so that you had some civilian leadership controlling some ministries the military controlling key ministries and 25 percent of the parliament so it was what i think on the road to democracy i meant it is incremental progress it was steps ahead of when there was a total military authoritarian regime but by no means was it a regime that fully participate in democracy nor fully respected human rights the atrocities that occurred in 2017 and the discrimination that has continued with the previous government in a kind state i have been very clear and we all should be very critical of the way the regime to have been and were continuing and continue to be treated but my point is this is that what we're seeing right now aren't. hundreds of thousands if not

millions of people coming out in the streets from every corner of me and more cities large and small all ages all social and economic backgrounds to protest this coup and to protest this violation of of their of their country of their government that my answer your question was that is what is clearing this that is what is generating this not the arrest or any particular. the arrest of well over a 1000 people. including uncensored she and including the president of me and one but it's an assault on the relationship that is what it is that is my point this is a lot less than the numbers arrested in paris during the but as you say it has been deadly and the pictures are awful coming from me and ma why are you not in beijing the united states flights apparently have been occurring between china and myanmar in ma

a really important component of china's bell road initiative the bangladesh china india economic corridor or is it is china not the. china is very very important very important and it's why when china issued statements criticizing the coup when china has publicly called for the release of political prisoners. china has expressed its deep concern about developments in iraq that is very helpful of course china will be very very critical when it comes to trying to address an issue of this this crisis you say china is very important is it difficult as a special rapporteur given your defense of an thank sujit in the past knowing that before latest arrest she seemed to be excusing human rights crimes she had said in testimony to the u.n. cycles of into communal violence. not the worst whole gram of this

century yes we've been very critical of the government this crisis is not about her or any individual leader or political party or entity this is about the people with me and they're under a shot and that's what i think the focus has to be now you know the and some might say you know my exam rooms against me and mine were just the poorest people there were what you would you say to companies like gates you know. who still live in me and my understand there have been some companies that have been were drawing from the country korean beer razor gaming the company from singapore. well i think what's important is that we have a sanctions regime that has garden recipient we want to make sure that the sanctions have the maximum impact on the generals and their interests the revenue flowing into their pockets and the minimal minimal impact on the people of me and

more so that is why we're calling for targeted focused sanctions and we also want them to be coordinated between countries will have to step up and engage in them in a sanctions regime so for example people ask well what about 8 that going into me and my development aid communitarian yes it's important that that flow in the degree that it's possible it donors can provide those funds to i n g o's to the c.s.o. those on the ground the humanitarian the government organizations were providing vital services to the people of being one that's very very important and everything in it in energy is very evident possible to avoid funneling that money through the the government of the it all that all that to the good while u.n. security council members like russia china the united states. written they're all condemning this is this violence much less about where the crowd control weapons to fire these peaceful apparently protesters. where that's coming from you

think u.s. special rapporteur may investigate where these weapons are coming from or is it the case the weapons are coming from. members of the un security council well it's a good question it's a very very good question but what we're calling for is a is a global arms embargo the security council of the united nations certainly has it within its power to establish a global arms embargo but short of that it's not possible to get there through the security there what we're asking for is for countries to accordingly their their their arms embargo regimes so that again we can have a maximum impact right now there are 41 countries in the world that have some form of arms embargo in place we want to increase that number and we want to make sure that all of these indoor goes are coordinated so that we can make sure we keep

track on not just in weapons but also dual use technology so that we can we can control what is going into that country and to the extent possible started from getting into the hands of the whole or me it told me a joyous sanctions in the past have caused untold misery to go balls out of countries i just want to ask you. i'm not saying your job is easy but. the other special report says in the u.n. that we have on the program have terrible times convincing people about a freedom of julian a thunder or a poverty say here in britain is there a geopolitical context that makes it easier for you to convince governments about the myanmar issue and human rights throughout the cia on your side in the and the communist party of china. well you know what what we're trying to focus on and i think what is. extremely important and i think we see evidence that is it is

getting emerged is that this is a rule crackdown this is horrific what we're seeing on the streets. of me and more and it requires a a unified response that is outside of the context of geo political backgrounds even though they exist and obviously that dynamic is there. but it seems to me that we should be able to say. as a people no matter where you're from and a matter what your ideology is is that what we are seeing in me and mark is blunt and that it has to stop and that we need to do everything possible to make sure that it's does so when china comes forward and says we we find this this coup unacceptable that political prisoners need to be released those are encouraging signs and encouraging steps forward and we're going to be able to build on those encouraging steps of the we can have to the greatest extent possible

a unified stance against the horror that's going on in me and right now so as robert i thank you my pleasure after the break we'll be speaking to david bowie's photographer and singer more why about challenging politics through art. or.

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of how do they relieve their stress these men move back out like these men that comfort these many. people have been murdered up here people been raped there are massive drug issues up here you have a boom you have everything else that comes along with money. welcome back in amongst the claims a neo liberal corrective action and promises a future cuts universal credit u.k. chancellor richard tonight a recent budget also include an extra $400000000.00 pounds for the arts but with the musicians union raising the alarm that many are still falling through the cracks what hope is there for

a cultural revival here post coronavirus while one photographer reminds us what great does an art looks like is make rock who captured the defining images of legendary artists like david bowie bryan ferry and debbie harry as well as taking iconic photos for albums like the reeds transformer and he pops. rock joins me now from new york his new collaborative work title my diary is on show in sale on the west contemporary editions make welcome to going underground tell us about this new interpretational and this you are i'm going underground there is a group we're certainly i love to chat. mystical tell me about this new interpretation of your work may daro with finn dax some of the proceeds are going to the cash. cache of n.h.s. during covered live here why it's too slow to search but it's really antrim that i think that was the 1st sugarloaf. about truth was the name. but

what really struck me. as the aluminum look worse were you're also people. so one of my agents about. here in america. the graphic novel we were looking for some really. only. the words there are but you see the pictures it's a graphic look anyway oh it's i saw something. trimmed back a tray and it was just a rough sketch or something but i saw the. who actually i mean. because i wanted to do a certain since bush it was. liam's are idea the thing is i don't know if in sharing what we wear or live with. my cute a bit rock the 1st 2 that says a beach apartment which is m.r.i. . they are her so as to.

maybe you know will avoid say pictures and you experience a very. a lot of these were created early certainly was admirers. of the literary. love pictures with. ben and send the significance of this date to have the release them in r o the 2nd of march why isn't one of the elite terminated in fear of ethics if. it's the. loo is a significant artist's early for british rockers as a spin around the block over the last 40 years still nobody sounds like bubbly. babes one mate for many years. and so it's a made isn't significance in a modern culture sure. unfortunately. a lot of their friends including.

and david instead friday and. rory gallagher make runs i mean there's loads of. nola story in the course really so years ago. it was you know the almighty is going to have a quiet one of the in my ear he was. challenged how. because if you are slower if you're coming or. so for the groom isn't it terry o'neill gave his last long form interview for going underground and he said that it was about he said had a lot of things in the was going underground because he you know to answer i think he had it when he when i had to meet him and he was he was talking about how he looked from the outside in and he was also saying photography was pointless now

bans because they're being run by managers and p.r. to an extent that you can actually get a photograph done by everyone's thoughts on where are we showing every moment of the rickets or the figure that sort of trees it's so excess of my own you get to start more wars so it's good pictures of a firm who are. good so as civil as they are they need to be able to more and i will never know why is he said hey you're from the inside out because you're inside the rock well i was a pretty sure 3 story i wasn't anybody i just got to know it. it was true that the early days of really doing yoga will yoga and still do it every day. probably saved my life for what i was there only some thought to be over. her

face as a as a commission maybe giving money to the national health service and and to repairing repairing hearts here i will what i also ask you because woody woodwinds the last surviving spider from oz came on the show and he said he said the amazing thing about david bowie who you of course photographed so memorably made videos for the amazing thing about david bowie was he involved different classes of people. social economic class some people might say you're a cambridge medieval. english rose. i'm going to smear you. how is it how how is it that you came to be working working with often working class artists often middle class artists arguably is worth. lose a sense of middle. he was. well if you go solo things are.

and david david was very structured. and i love it's over story but willie was a be are all are aware of the war and he will call me a around or i just remember this well it's very short and simple do or think of shock when he. goes up in the story so i need a lot more. to explain. oh you're a lot better something's street barua sure. you knew something about it. it was like mama it was fur. corps work but he was very still fetch it for we obviously don't condone drug taking on this program we give in the span of your work. do you think it not only influence obviously the art it influenced ideas about war i mean he could have been a war photographer i mean sometimes you make it sound like you were

a little while you know why it should have been a war that sort of have a great respect for those who are. true of our records and i want to know how they could hate the pictures they took worse the very famous in the school don mccallum exactly. 3 years is only certain pieces of length skirts and we've talked to my room a camper a lot on the program i think and we've also talked about l.s.d. and most recently most recently about m.k. ultra and the new revelations about the cia's use of it for the beat poets and all sorts of experimenting with this with this hindsight what do you think the influence of l.s.d. has been on not only western culture but international culture. well i think it opened up western troops or so eastern troops so the inflow to the late sixty's

where really you know it's a ship all these different discipline and they're very powerful so you can seriously which i do best right so serious that. summary interviews musta been a success with. with the surgery were we were i was obsessed with altered states as a get there was no use to. tell me seattle again say we don't condone taking any drugs although some drug influence people are still on the curriculum here the romantic poets who you have said you you got inspiration from how how did the romantic poet influence the photography i mean we know shelley particularly at the moment because of jeremy corben and the fact that shelley was a socialist. you is in the environmental element in there and you know no one has

all anything political other than 'd somebody who certainly have a very intense dislike but that monstrosity without trying and they are really gotten so bad at the poetry work in the photography writing this just the way our problems sit over so it's eric to sit through david a fairy i saw them through the prism. oh mon of the saddest things you may have said you say in the amazing documentary actually about you the psycho spiritual mentor of rock his how rebels get absorbed by establishment culture i mean it's been said said before but given the you've worked with the world with the sex pistols and work with some of the most and important valuable rebels who have a continuing in fraud only you were with lou reed a very popular summer of well into. if i sort of. still are

this far because there. is so heavy and we were the words of crystals that start. it was icky restart in 67. so. who says some are so so so and there are and. it was also you know what the who the lindsay chair of the. great mime choreographer that's what they did of it states from the make up you know a mess where i snatch it i mean this is a political program i would ask you given that jagger obviously is without a vietnam protests debbie has there and he war protests and he nuclear protests bowie celebrated a line about nixon on young americans we conscious of the politics and the antiwar messages of all the artists who were most famous for photographing. looting fairly

it was there just as. he played so he lived anywhere one time with him is a lesson i don't recall having you know i mean sexuality no subject i do it. so you know it's. surely. and. they were. you know they're into the our they didn't really go into politics and rule our lives. yes i have the situations and sentences but i'm not going to your room go a whole chain from. us but clearly your pictures are so redolent all these stars the importance of these stars i know. you. spoke to david bowie about it when bowie told you we don't exist these stars so is it really

only your photographs clear for ya'll if you say we were you. know actions to. 'd see if this lady was good for the subject if you're sure. but charlie resurrected sure it was special look at them all silent so i just want it when there is your photographs that are the way the way they these toys appear in our minds i'm going to also ask you how safe your archive is because in the documentary i saw you got them all in cardboard boxes i hope there is no metal pins and think search there where there's a lot of stuff goes oh well it still if you don't know the right somebody that as well. that it's a church must share in the books is a good enough shoe for me to climate change and the effect on the boxes. so i'm scared it doesn't matter if you call you that. that's not

true either or. if you should if you were only interested in the pictures there were no more of us that's for sure thank you in the middle our images are on show and sale on the west contemporary editions platform well going underground every other to charlie cook has also been looking into the future of working class art and recently caught up with stuart braithwaite lead singer of the scottish post rock group more why we're just come from scoring hit italian crime drama 000 to secure their 1st number one in 25 years with a new album as the love continues here is talking about the future for working both musicians post look at your i actually see you know already if you look at the kind of artists the major labels are sane and most of them are from pray wealthy by kone's because they can afford to teach them how to work and the music you can afford to go until there was no need any help from their labels because labels have less money and yet i think they're going to see less less people

from kind of normal to be honest i mean. he struggled for for music to come from those kind of people which is a shame because you look at the has city of new music. just thinking off the top man has bands like the happy mondays bands like the deals and saying the store newsies you know late. there know it's over status but i think that i think it's a danger to sure this week there were in tone and that full interview with a discuss everything from political music to nuclear weapons can be found on going underground you tube channel make sure you subscribe and hit the bell like want to tell those occasions of the never miss interview that's of the show will be back on wednesday see if.

there are tactics that can be used to get innocent people to confess to crimes they didn't commit i don't even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to you the person who falsely fast actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior once a false confession is taken the case is closed nobody really can tell the difference between a good confession and one that isn't. the. same wrong. just don't. mean you get to shape out. become educated and engaged equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

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