the words were it will be truer words were courage were it all. swords is sharp over a word or. 2 are right.

now here she is. see the corners in there right would you bring that phone cord in the guy's somebody up down not only did cream bring that in but he brought it in and drop the other another portion of it in the purse that's yes that's absurd i bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the kitchen floor and their life doesn't work doesn't work renee not good enough didn't didn't he do it in the living room look at this photo look i want to see you oh yeah. that certainly doesn't sit with renee's not concise now i want to see your little place before i think you heard that some wishful thinking on my client on thing. there is

a real police report i mean. i just don't. maybe they sort of knew they were names confession was not so good or not true and so they didn't really want kareem because they didn't really believe that he was there. that or that it happened like that and so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody. one taking on a case like rene's the danger is always the case evidence or other crime scene evidence has not been preserved. if there's no crime scene evidence or case evidence. then there's nothing to d.n.a. test and if there's no d.n.a. to test it's extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. that's really. the hearing.

in rene's case it was a very bloody crime scene the murder weapon was never found but there was a purse that had a bloody fingerprint in it and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it they d.n.a. tested some things but not those and the only d.n.a. found at the crime scene was the victim's. phone and. the i think out of 41 pieces of evidence they tested 7. for d.n.a. and so you know they're in trouble right at trial because you can't get convicted on your own confession alone so they go and they try to round up jailhouse snitches but only one worked. so it was her confession and a jailhouse snitch which is so common in false confession cases that you. the

confession and then the extra evidence because there's no physical evidence the corroboration to the confession is snitch. no by giving them no particular ok to. you. ok who. do you mind if i said this. is all. good that's ok you know already. i don't have a stream for you or your body will feel fine or we're trying we're trying to. do you remember interacting with any of the police officers back then this didn't make a student was name was very it is some of. my impression looking back at it thank

you all here she's guilty while she was building a legal make sure you know you can sometimes it was a bloody crime so now we know i was my last year's eve d.n.a. so these are all somebody else to be right out. it was one of the things that's one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest the d.n.a. there's knowledge she has no chance some cases we get and we look at them and we even if we believe the person citizen we can say well i mean there's just for a variety of reasons nothing we can do there's something we can do here but not a lot of people get exonerated.

hello. britain and the yam is this workout. chanted reach around i just want to talk to you because i'm helping rene trying to get her out can we come by i want to drive to the just talk to me i. think you so much. we need to ask most the most important thing i mean is so how she was told what her interactions with the police were. running around with young. with on drugs you know in our lives i mean every day and he didn't have a car with a. promise you anything like where you're going to get out to let me out no i'm real with you right right i want to get out and so you actually did get out thank you we really appreciate it. ok so that's good that's

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about lauren's old montoya. 3 years on 10. time while watching right now while you will too. long didn't didn't even. worse. version being interviewed. lauren stone. more and more to. the ends of montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. he's 14 years old lorenzo when this happened and he is tiny like maybe 110 pounds on a one year old or near. the overlap between meltzer and lorenzo is a mountain they tell him there's these videotapes that show him abusing children which

there aren't in lorenzo's they actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says well i'm a shoe print expert and your shoe matches the print at the crime scene was untrue. you're going to be sent away. for your drug arrest and the rest you can call the day you are at rest until. then it's going to have to go to one of. the windows. were you there so you are there goals for the. daily rounds of you are there even if you're a bell for you there are your friends. a lot of. very. good you're there. that's interesting. you can see. we had your blood we

had your saliva he said we have that to be tested basically right. there is a bar usually. the woman in. michigan. in the united states police a permitted to lie about evidence. and say right out of that we have a. birthday on the fast. that is a shocking discovery to most people most western countries don't permit it the u.s.

supreme court permits it so consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence they sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is telling us that you were involved in something they've already started that strafe in process and the mother already is believing it. is you'll be a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. isolation whole community. are you going the right way or are you being that. direct. what is. watch is.

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silversea both of you. dead already. disabled it isn't it. is it. true that the brain is you that you are surely that even better to savor it. so you know you mean mistake so he just introduced the word mistake he's about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role it's part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think

you're a good person i understand what you've been through i sympathize with what you've been through often you hear normalizing statements like you know what if i were in your situation i would have done the same thing and all by the way i don't think you intended to do this i think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was red zone. i don't do that i haven't done it. i did want to jack the car and it went bad did. the communication moves in one direction it is designed to leave the person the suspect think the police don't think this is such a big deal. and therefore be treated with leniency ok so one of my choices either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak or i can admit to what they want me to admit to given all of the minimisation that they've given me and enjoy the benefit of that who are going to go. you. know how do you presume they're going to do that

big look at how much they have communicated already he knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not he now knows enough about it to give you a description. so why are you here. we're. here at sleaze house. so the rest of you systems in the computer here 1st nature g.r. who kicks you in the head of course the building a story for him to tell. or is it you know a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the drake shoes. brazill position. your job is just right he's now being set up so that when he's ready to give a statement he knows exactly what that statement. kicked in the head shoe

dragging her through the blood. he's got a goal so later a judge and a jury is going to watch the final confession and they're going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened you know those things if he was in there right. stare me down oh. you need to back up. i just stand here i want your prior 5 minutes you wait it up you know. you're not going home tonight i can guarantee you that. and they did not put you in juvenile hall or her which would be boys you know. you. talk now or say goodbye to your mom it's a pretty clear and your cousin and your sister and your girlfriend and your life. is you ready.

to. ruin the. royal. what kim and innocent person do. itself the situation anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone you just fall down. doesn't everybody have a breaking point so why must. he was in prison for 14 years so he got out at 28 he was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison he's 14 and he can't be in with the general population so he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years for $14.00 to $18.00 lorenzo was exonerated and we have a similar right suit pending for him and the. opposition are you know they're

they're moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. and if you're being interrogated you're not being interrogated because they're just looking for information you're being interrogated because they want you to confess . so today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction which is that we have a retired n.y.p.d. homicide detective among other things current private investigator i'm pleased to introduce you j. sol peter welcome thank you very much and thank you for having me so. are we going to get this fixed a we believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me it's going to take forever well the beginning is basically that all you know all interrogations are video and audiotapes. and i think that would stop at least 75 percent of these fools confessions i don't know how you're going to get away with it i'm a bit of criminal justice system as a store looking at prosecutors believe me you would false confessions faster with

making noise that make prosecutor culpable i mean that's the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune it doesn't matter what they did they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would we cannot get any liability. and of course with war police are allowed to use trickery and i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. so we talked about how out of these 4 cases korean belts and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene you know her case remains active and she's been in prison now for 20 years her son grew up without a mom she you know he has she's grandkids now that she's never met other than on a phone through glass. she said to heart attacks while she's been

in prison and it's probably not getting the right medical treatment for that you know we're just hoping that you know time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later but i mean she is a. a life that's. wasted. good morning how are you. ok. how is your heart. out and. our tracks. are. very. i know. have you done to play some together it's ok i understand some difficult

and i know that it's taking a lot of time but. we don't want to mess it up rene we all are only going to get one shot at this. so just hang in there. little game and promise you there will be an end and i hope it's a good one but there will be an end. develop thousands and visit the seas newsmen they are mares and do. some. good things.

assuming the system is missing the biggest ones turns into will not do this thing. so you. do believe you do. that got close. to. him to us he can anyway blame himself for i think so controlling and confessed think they all knew that but my own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well the stigma they attach to themselves they feel weak nat'l stupid they don't understand what happened how to come out to themselves and even when the convictions overturned if the reason they were convicted was a confession as opposed to something else the stigma attached to the state even

after they were exonerated right people are not quite 100 percent sure i get the confession is so powerful that even therefore it's supposed to evaporate. so corey today is he's living well right he got a huge settlement but it doesn't take away those demons in his head you know he's he was in from 16 to almost 30 so what are you now when you come out he's never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know you and i can probably accomplish sometimes but if he has lost his whole family there's no relationship with them really. and that's something that then my opinion the city and the prosecutors took away from him right that money can't replace.

combatants in society you don't you don't know how to do it and cherry. don't know what to do or. so it is sort of your brain. will be the morning. star over here. start to join the lingo whatever the journey may be. if i'm going to stand in the house you know from wonder. being free. it really is. a problem that you know is systemic. it's a problem that victimizes a lot of people you have the the person who falls in compresses whose life

is ruined you have their family whose lives are ruined you have a victim we know they're still alive in the victim's family who think they're getting justice but they're not and then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition when we walk up the wrong guy we stop looking for the right guy it's really a. it's a it's a tremendous challenge. i think it's a cultural problem we need a whole societal education about this our criminal justice system is based on the premise that it's better for 10 guilty people to go free than one innocent person to go to prison right i mean that is a fundamental concept of the american justice system but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well i just guess the courts don't get it. every story will false confessions not just

a story that gets into question why in god's name did an innocent person confess to a crime he or she didn't commit it's a 2nd story and 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor the judge the jury the appeals. but all this stuff. here is now able to research actual cases laboratory studies field studies and 100 plus years of basic psychology tells us when you lie to people about everything to lie to people about reality you can change their perceptions and change their memories or you can change just about every aspect of your cause i'm sure. everybody's human rights are spread.

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they were close to $10.00 a day hard work well work that's not easy work and so they want to relieve their stress and how do they relieve the stress these may move that outlet these men that comfort these many. people have been murdered up here people been raped there are massive drug issues up here you have a boom you have everything else that comes along with money. the world is driven by a dream shaped by one person. who dares thinks. we dare to ask.

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