just mean vulnerable innocent people i mean people who are sitting around in this world to confess to crimes they didn't commit. any time you do an exoneration case where there's been a false confession it's like trying to write a tries to. everybody's already against you the person's been convicted by a jury the judge thinks he's guilty the jury thinks he's guilty now you have to convince everybody that they're wrong. so a case that you're deeply rested and is a case of are in

a way who has been in prison for 20 years renee lynch. was a case we took about 2 and a half now maybe 3 years ago now and she was accused and convicted of killing her landlord in buffalo new york in 1995. and it's also obvious if confession cases the police are going crazy and they can't solve it 18 months go by and renee's connection to the victim was that it was her landlord and so they are start looking into run a who at the time was heavily addicted to drugs crack cocaine and because she gets arrested for something else and they start interrogating her and she confesses to killing her landlord with this guy kareem so she says kareem and i went to. my

landlord's house we were going to rob her the robbery goes bad and karim stabs her so if she's a good century can make it a felony murder being present during the commission of a crime and somebody gets killed we started sort of doing you know just regular google searches on the players' names the detectives and everything in this t.v. show and women behind bars comes up and they've done an episode on days case where they got in the in the prison and interviewed her and then interviewed this joseph court was the cop on the case the way her body. when she decided to go you just saw it was time to go in truth. i believe her confession is kind of nonsense there's inconsistency between the physical evidence and what she says and during the show he says well i mean we knew that corinne walker was in florida at the time of our crime are going to have kareem was in florida at the time. i guess they knew karim walker was in florida at the time the crime then rene's confession can't

possibly be true because she's confessing to going to rob the landlord with karim and the defense been able to put that on her confession would have made no sense that the defense was never told. the whole thing is so full of holes and so bogus i can't put my finger on and say like you know this is the thing but i think if we dug in it we could find that thing that could get her out because it's all. it's just all of it so it's messed up how do they record this confession and didn't know i mean did they make you know they typed it up and then read it to her and made her so and so there is a type of confession is the only version of the confession there's no like original notes they have or something that we have. to wonder about. she says details about the crime scene because they showed her photos of it. that you know how the body

was lying and being shown her those photos. of some kind of new evidence that didn't exist at the time of the trial. or didn't didn't exist at the time of the trouble it wasn't known right and it wasn't presented during the trial and then we have to show that it. could have been a different outcome. which i think we can but it's going to be hard. our goal is of course to get renee out of prison but it can take a really long time sometimes many years and one of the 1st things we do in cases like this is to comb through the confession and find all the consistencies to clearly show that the confessions. there's a cream walker drove me to. the plan was i was going to go into the front

door and karim was going to come up the back door. he was going to tie her up with a piece of white extension cord that he brought with him at babson time kareem hit louise in the side of the face fell to the floor and kind of went out if that happened he would be standing punching her here right. on cream head here in the face he knocked the wig. away landed on the floor in the kitchen. kitchen. he tried to tie louise up with the plastic already had then kerry comes from behind louise he stabbed her at least twice however we know it's 8 times. louise fell to the floor again it was a large amount of blood on the floor next to her body so the only thing she gets right is that the way gets knocked off that there's a plastic cord. involved in this case is cracked and the phone cord is where the

extra d.n.a. is. how missin is gene fisher byron nelson rene lynch's attorney i have a call with her this morning. oh good things. how i how. i. live. oh oh. oh i quite. i i. i i oh oh i know it's hard. for.

renee went to trial she testified been very incoherent lee she was high during the trial. you know it was she was not a good witness for her so she recanted right away afterwards and her confession is that is it was a coerced when i talked to people about this they're like well this is i would never say contests where people say i've been talking about this for 30 years and that's the 1st thing everybody says i gather but it wouldn't happen today it's not one time the person that gives a false confession we are all told go into the circumstance of interrogation we all know there have been some train detectives i've spoken to who say i can get anybody to compress to that from any of the little boats that they have a 95 percent confession rate. and see a lesser of a lesser near perfect at identifying the perpetrator there. every suspect you

identify is the perpetrator right if you've got a confession rate at that level you produce an awful lot of false confessions the renee lynch when i talked to her about it she explained to me i was so shocked that they convicted me she said because there was no evidence of a confession so powerful it can stand alone so here's the jury on the one hand they've got the confessions on the one and they go. the confessions trumped the d.n.a. changes everything and sometimes not like in the final product of a confession hollywood production is scripted by the police theory of the case is rehearsed and lights action camera ready to go. and that's what the jury sees they don't see the whole production they just see the final i don't see how the judge or jury can look past a false confession if they don't see the presence and.

we have a number of documented cases in which the person who falsely confessed actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior. which is. a whole nother level of insanity and some of them believe it for a long time afterwards. you can see me there you. see here's. the entry. in the melted thompson case we had he was a danish inturn who came. he was a danish he was a college student studying to become a teacher and he came and interned at i.p.s. . which is really you know like a $20000.00

a year preschool up by the un and it was a code teacher who accuses meltzer of molesting all the kids in the class and he's on the cover of the daily news they take his focus his facebook profile pictures him with his niece on his shoulders so they put that on the cover of the daily news and write sex monster and they go arrest him in the morning and bring him into the station and they have a female cop interrogate him she tells him while you know we have video of you molesting these kids which they had videos but he's not molesting anybody so they had this woman who accused him had taken videos of him in the classroom interacting normally with children and so either the cops had watched it or they had watched it and were blatantly lying to him but there was no video of him molesting kids but he hears that right and he thinks holy well if i'm on video i must have done it right

they let him continue to believe this lie that he's caught red handed on tape molesting these kids and i think that that you know he started you could tell through the hole when they finally are recording him he's doubting himself you know he's he's wondering did i do this. the world is driven by.

no dares thinks. we dared to ask. when i was choked small seemed wrong all right old old just all. the world to get to shape out this day and you can't get out to close and engage with equals betrayal all the once and many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

this is crude oil. so they need to actually physically hold it out of the ground he would have well well well well well well. there's a lot of money with your oil and with that comes. a lot of a lot of people from all over the country. if you don't make a $100000.00 a year. as a minimum there's an issue. here in the. they were all 16 hours a day it's hard work well work it's not easy work and so they want to relieve their stress and how do they relieve their stress these and then move back out like he's mentally back comfort these many. people have been murdered up here people been raped there are massive drug issues up here you have a boom you have everything else that comes along with money.

join me everything on the alex simon chill and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics school this list i'm show business i'll see you then. mr thompson. can you tell me why. i'm here because in order. for inappropriate. behavior it was. ok so why don't you tell me. privately and how this started what happened you know what. you know well.

and remember just had to go down just a few moments about. it and then. proceed in the. present and. i had taken. its. place and playing around. kinsler on my shorts and. you know sort of going forward in that or question where you were going. and so what when you say gave him pleasure at one time that a central resident. of it would have to be. i don't know you know. a member of it and it's like is this none of it

and if you read out the statement i did that's your handwriting and it just waiting over briefly doesn't look like it's been changed in any way. and that's your signature on the page if you read those that are here today they're going to show you to the camera. i don't even think people in the u.s. really get that the police are allowed to lie to you i think most people would think that if i am speaking to a police officer he's telling me the truth but now times i mean in denmark it's illegal for the police to lie to you so he really i think was was you know really says extra susceptible to something like that it took us filing the civil rights suit to even get access to these tapes the district attorney wouldn't give it to us when the criminal case was pending we asked the court we moved for

a court order to get at the judge just wouldn't give it to us but they sat on these tapes for 8 months he had this case hanging over his head and they knew that there was nothing in the tapes right. there was the only evidence there was yes luckily melted never got convicted right we were able to stop it before that happened but it took i mean it almost killed him. there. sexual abuse involving very young children were brought to the attention. and. district attorney's office. to thoroughly investigate and. interview children particularly in this instance we use for some at preschool. ages and one. of the just this case after. gather in our extensive investigation

we have to have. you know have you ever seen anybody use like a piece of a full court to put it all. just all the way forward to i don't know if i have a case where there is a piece of foam cord found inside of

a week why would you have. laid it on your head to give the little 2 for a little. if there are 4. because if there is some clue feed then the hair is not like it's. just like a 3 to 4 inches of phone cord. case we're trying to get permission to test all the old evidence for d.n.a. but to do that we have to collect as much information about her innocence as we

possibly can and. go back and interview all the witnesses. documents go back to the crime scene. i keep coming back to this thing that the cops knew he was in florida and kept going with the story that they did together like wife if they know he's in florida why don't they like. your lives. you're lying to us because he's in we know he's in florida why don't they are confronted by hearsay that how can they be permitted to go forward with a serious of a case that they know is not true name names and trial basically matter. so that's why the trickery and the only way to convict somebody of this was to do it that way yes. it just makes me so jaded and really disgusted with the district attorney's offices and i feel like you know the

you know they're supposed to be at the top of the chain right there is supposed to be the ones making sure the cops made mistakes or people below the cops made mistakes then they're the ones who are responsible for fixing it why not do d.n.a. testing think why not they were all we're not infallible we can all make mistakes why not check i mean her name is going to be in prison for the rest of her life why not just check you know they can never answer that question so you just end up in court with you know them opposing your motions for d.n.a. testing and unending ability gating instead of working together in rene's case it's especially frustrating because i mean they certainly believe that this was done not the stabbing was not done by her so there is a set the i mean they're basically admitting that they have a cold case and there's a murder out there and they still don't want to do it you know it's did 2 people either 2 people or somebody other than renee committed that crime and that person

is out and about and d.n.a. contesting could show who they are but. they're still posing as. am. you know the central park jogger case was my 1st interaction with false confessions our firm represented corey wise on his civil rights case way to start i mean you're diving right into the deep end there you know. the circumstances at play in that case were huge amount of pressure on the police and the authorities to make arrests and make them step.

forward. 7 years in prison. was one of most notorious crimes in the history of new york city it was a crime in which a woman who was a wealthy. investment banker was out jogging at dusk and was dragged into the woods in central park and almost beaten to death and there was front page news every day everywhere and they are out to get arrests and they got him. when you get to the false confessions in that case it was a classic you know. mismatch they were totally overmatched

underrepresented if represented at all i don't know what could the core even have anyone in the room without his consent is 16 so he was considered an adult sadly and so his mom was not allowed in there and they you know had given the lawyers they all waived their their miranda rights. rights. where you live chris. says. that it's. this is very very serious in this neighborhood we don't know or this or that is there. a way to use an example we do say.

after seeing those pictures i'm sure that you can see. why. it is hard for people to understand how this can. help produce a confession something they didn't too and there really is a complicated set of stories there is no one reason. you know corey was confessed to get out of this bad situation he was under pressure for many many hours he was likely be told that others were giving stories and that to to cooperate in order to go home and it is very telling in the central park 5 case that every one of them every one of the boys and every one of the parents who were present were surprised the boys were arrested after their statements every one of

the time i was going home right back where you know want it sounds crazy right here thought you were gone or confess to a rape and go home right but you know that one false confessors were interviewed afterward and they've been exonerated and the 1st question everybody wants those i don't understand why don't you confront the most typical response because i want to go home. innocent people often say after wards you know i was. so tired i was so stressed i figured let me sign this confession it'll all work itself out in the end the detectives often say you know we have d.n.a. we're going to send them to the last. 3 they think that claiming they have d.n.a. that bluff is a way to scare the criminal into submission they may be right but if the person you're talking to is not the criminal but an innocent person that blog becomes a promise of future exoneration paradoxically makes it easier to contrast. run into

a crazy we're going to do some tests going to take blood samples from a lot of different people. right and i just want to know that if we do that we will probably get an order to take a sample from you. and then we'll compare it to tests. or this. area because you're in a position now where if you know that there's going to be a match. day you better off tell us about it now or the stairs instead of saying something that's natural or is this. one of the things i think they made you say was that you cut her on the legs and where did you how did you come up with that i don't know. came from no i don't know she had made it up i don't know i came from i don't know.

the binding ministry she is still young but his foreign policy particularly in the middle east is an echo of past failures this ministration simply does not have a learning curve and also has washington really support democracy in the world ukraine's crackdown on independent media she give us all pause. seemed wrong when all. i mean the world to get to shape out these days comes to add to it and engagement equals betrayal. when so many. some control from middle. of the night most of our very hardworking people who want to get ahead that either have some some health issues or have some of how district about luck a full time job is plenty for a place to live and missing just

a month's rent can get you a victim to gunpoint if anything bad happens to any thing that just throws your budget off slightly. you better catch up real quick or you're going to have a judgment of possession against you and get addicted anyone that's homeless is treated like garbage people look at you like a monster or someone bad or you chose to be there most of the time it's not the case see how it is to be pole in the world's richest country. it's an inconvenient truth that you just can't actually get that innovation in the us anymore because all the corporations that are in a position to innovate are shareholders and the taxpayers and using financial leisure demain on wall street to line their pockets.

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