or a deadline there would have to be if this proceeds a deadline for creating a constitution since you're not going to have any elections in the in the interim. yes to to negotiate is uncomfortable between these parties says as of very often between people who have been at war for decades and you know that's to be less to be recognized and these are horrible governments both the afghan government and obviously the taliban but you when you start to consider human rights and the outer worry just of the taliban being on a human rights committee and so forth there is also the right not to be bumped on the right to to live without war that has to be given some precedence after decades of prioritizing or at least create and pretending to prioritize other human rights and on that basis continuing warfare and in terms of bringing in regional neighbors like iran do you see that as something of an olive branch from the you

have to turn around. i find it very encouraging especially if there's any sincerity behind it which i do not know. anthony blinken proposed to use in the united nations and proposed bringing in a number of other countries including iran including russia including china he also proposed a meeting in turkey and i understand russia has proposed a meeting in russia which i imagine is well intended but i'm afraid given the us political climate and the extreme demonization of russia could actually end up hurting if there's an agreement made but it's an agreement made in russia the screams in washington to keep the troops in and worse are pretty predictable and of quickly secretary blinken saying that may the 1st time for withdrawal could happen yes or no when it happens i wouldn't bet on it but i'll do everything in my power to make it happen then if not sooner. ok i won't hold you for that whatever happens

we'll keep you posted thanks very much for now for joining us on the program thank you. up next the controversial interrogation techniques seeing innocent people admit to crimes they didn't commit confessions is next on the international. join me every thursday on the alex i'm unsure when i'll be speaking to a guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. and why does someone do that right that's what everybody wants to know and they

laugh or have achieved their quota of those play where. there was played well because i think most people would like to think i would like to think to myself i would never do that but did you ever say to yourself down why did i tell these life not why i tell these lies and my suddenly they're rooted in religion that exist in my really did not exist as i would just are i just throw going to there probably exist among the worlds is just for the hurt there are i says of the i the new form with the model of the wood with the model of the mire that was a it was a real boy just to go home or yes my way normal. i was were it was going to be true or it was world which were all. choices shop or were.

you supreme who are right. now here she is. see the corners in there. would you bring that phone cord in somebody up you know

not only did cream bring met him but he brought it in and drop the other another portion of it in the purse that's yes that's absurd i bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the kitchen floor and they're like that doesn't work doesn't work renee not good enough didn't didn't he do it in the living room look at this photo look i want to see you oh yeah. the truth doesn't fit with renee's no concise no i want to see a real place and. i think you heard that some wishful thinking like i don't think there is a real police report i mean. i just don't. maybe they sort of knew there were days confession was not so good or not true and so they didn't really want korean because they didn't really believe that he was there . that or that it happened like that and so if they get him in there and then they

could end up with nobody. one taking on a case like rene's the danger is always the case evidence or other crime scene evidence has not been preserved. if there's no crime scene evidence or case evidence. then there's nothing to d.n.a. test and if there's no d.n.a. to test it's extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. that's really. easy you're right. in rene's case it was a very bloody crime scene the murder weapon was never found but there was a purse. had a bloody fingerprint in it and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it the d.n.a.

testing some things but not those and the only d.n.a. found at the crime scene was the victim's. phone and. the i think out of 41 pieces of evidence they tested 7. for d.n.a. and so you know they're in trouble right at trial because you can't get convicted on your own confession alone so they go and they try to round up jailhouse snitches but only one worked. so it was her confession and a jailhouse snitch which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because there's no physical evidence corroboration to the confession is snitch. no i. have no particular oh. oh.

ok. do you mind if i said this. is all. good that's ok you know. i don't have a stream for you for the bible. or try to. do you remember interacting with any of the police officers back then this is. a student was name was very it is in some of. my impression looking back thank you all hear she's guilty well she's guilty and eagle make sure you know you can sometimes it was a bloody crime so now we know i was my d.n.a. so he's so. somebody else. to be right how. it was one of the

things that's one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest the d.n.a. there's knowledge she has no chance some cases we get and we look at them and we even if we believe the person is innocent we can say well i mean there's just for a variety of reasons nothing we can do there's something we can do here but not a lot of people get exonerated. real salute really others look you. know the. hello. is this work out. i just want to talk to you because i know helping rene trying to get her out can we come by one driver just talk to me. think you so much.

we need to ask close some of the most important thing i mean to so how she was to what her interactions with the police were. done. with andrea you know in ally me every day and he didn't have a car with a. promise you anything like where you're going to get out and let me out. here when you write great i want to get out and so you actually did get out thank you we really appreciate it. ok so that's good that's helpful.

let's talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on 1 pm oh. time was right now is why you want to. be alone really didn't you know there were there were.

dan burton being interviewed a. lot in stone. on the morning. when rendell montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. he's 14 years old friends when this happened and he is tiny like maybe 110 pounds very young a one year older. the overlap between meltzer and lorenzo is a mouser they tell him there's these videotapes that show him abusing children which there aren't in lorenzo's they actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says well i'm a shoe print expert and your shoe. mentions the print at the crime scene it was untrue. you'd be sent away.

to get up there as it is you can pull the day you are not rest until one bar or it is going to happen we've got one. window g.-r. coming down. for you there so you the 3rd are there knows where the others. are until you are there even if you have no idea where you dare your friends. or is with a lot of friends we've done it every day if you were there we're going to find out now that's interesting. he didn't say we had your blood we had your saliva he said we have that to be tested basically right. there is a body. the moment a. hot

. political. issue we'll. in the united states police a permitted to lie about it. and say right out of that we have a. lot of fast. that is a shocking discovery to most people most western countries don't permit it the u.s. supreme court permits it so consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence they sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is tell. you're involved in something they've already started stripping process and the mother already is believing.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic development only really and going to exist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. still going to see both of you. dead already. is a little bit isn't it. is it. true that the brain is you that you are surely that even better to savor it. or you did

you mean mistake so he just introduced the word mistake he's about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role is part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think you're a good person i understand what you've been through i sympathize with what you've been through often you hear normalizing statements like you know what if i were in your situation i would have done the same thing and all by the way i don't think you intended to do this i think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was the red zone. i don't think you'd ever done it. i did want to jack the car into one that did. the communication moves in one direction it is designed to leave the person the suspect and think that the police don't think this is such

a big deal. and therefore be treated with leniency ok so one of my choices either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak or i can admit to what they want me to admit to given all of the minimisation that they've given me a little and enjoy the benefit of that there are going to go. you. know how do you press they're going to do that big look at how much they have communicated already he now knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not he now knows enough about it to give you a description. so why are you here. it's lee's house through his no. computer name. nature jr who kicked him in the head of course the building a story for him to tell. or is it you know a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the dre shoes.

brazill position. your jaw is just right he's now being set up so that when he's ready to give a statement he knows exactly what that statement that. he was kicked in the head shoe dragging her through the blood. he's got it all so later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession and they're going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened you know those things if he was in there. staring me down oh. you need to back up. i just want your prior 5 minutes you wake up you know. you're not going home tonight i can guarantee that. and they do not question if you'll be home for her which will be boys you know.

mom talk now or say goodbye to your mom it's a pretty clear and your cousin and your sister in your girlfriend and your life. is you ready. to. ring the. royal. what kim and this one person do. self-will the situation anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone you just fall down. doesn't everybody have a breaking point so why must. he was in prison for 14 years so he got out at 28 he was in solitary confinement for 4 years

because when he goes into a grown up prison he's 14 and he can't be in with the general population so he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years for $14.00 to $18.00 lorenzo was exonerated and we have a civil rights too pending for him and the. opposition are you know they're they're moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for them. and if you're being interrogated you're not being interrogated because they're just looking for information you're being interrogated because they want you to confess . so today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction which is that we have a retired n.y.p.d. homicide detective among other things current private investigator i'm pleased to introduce you j. saltpeter welcome thank you very much and thank you for having me so. how the hell are we going to get this fixed a we believe the remedy seems like

a long shot to me it's going to take forever well the beginning is basically that all you know all interrogations are video and audiotapes. and i think that would stop at least 75 percent of these fools confessions i don't know how you're going to get away with it i'm a bit of criminal justice system as a store looking at prosecutors believe me you would false confessions faster with making war is that make prosecutor culpable i mean that's the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune it doesn't matter what they did they could have gotten right here and punched the kid in the face and they would we cannot get any liability. and of course. police are allowed to use trickery and i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. so we talked about how out of these 4 cases korean meltzer and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene you know her case

remains active and she's been in prison now for 20 years her son grew up without a mom she you know he has his grandkids now that she's never met other than on a phone through glass. she said to heart attacks while she's been in prison and is probably not getting the right medical treatment for that you know we're just hoping that you know time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later but i mean she is a. a life that's. wasted. good morning how are you. ok. how is your heart. out and. i think a. half hour track a

. are. very. hard. i know. have you don't play some together it's ok i understand some difficulty and i know that it's taking a lot of time but. we don't want to mess it up rene we only only going to get one shot at this. so just hang in there. and promise you there will be an end and i hope it's a good one but there won't be an end.

to military. missives he's newsmen they are mares and do. gooders and. those who knew the system is missing the biggest hoax turns into will not do this thing. so you. do believe you do. that got close. to. some. in any way blame himself for i think so controlling and can 1st think they all knew that but my own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who

were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well the stigma they attach to themselves they feel weak nat'l stupid they don't understand what happened how to come out to themselves and even when the convictions overturned if the reason they were convicted was a confession as opposed to something else the stigma that attached to the state even after they were exonerated right people are not quite 100 percent sure i get the confession is so powerful that even therefore it's supposed to evaporate. so corey today is he's living well right he got a huge settlement but it doesn't take away those demons in his head you know he's he was in from 16 to almost 30 so what are you now when you come out he's never

going to have the mental peace and rest that you know you and i can probably accomplish sometimes but if he has lost his whole family there's no relationship with them really. and that's something that the thing my opinion the city and the prosecutors took away from him right that money can't replace. combatants is the size you don't you don't know when to do it and cherry. don't know what to do or. so it is sort of your brain. with the morning. star over here. stalky johnno lingo whatever journey may be. going now so as you stand in the house you know from wonder. being

free. it really is. a problem that you know is systemic right it's a problem that victimizes a lot of people you have the the person who falls in compresses who's life is ruined you have their family whose lives are ruined you have the victim of their still alive in the victim's family who think they're getting justice but they're not and then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition when we walk up the wrong guy we stop looking for the right guy it's really a. it's a it's a tremendous challenge. i think it's a cultural problem we need a whole societal education about this our criminal justice system is based on the

premise that it's better for 10 guilty people to go free than one innocent person to go to prison right i mean that is a fundamental concept of the american justice system but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well i just guess the courts don't get it. every story will false confessions not just a story that gets at the question of why in god's name did an innocent person confess to a crime he or she didn't commit it's a 2nd story and 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor the judge the jury the appeals. mr. there is now able to research actual cases laboratory studies field studies and 100 plus years of basics like culture tells us when you lie to people about everything to lie to people about reality you can change their perceptions and change their memories or you can change just about every aspect of good because. everybody's human but it's more of a it's pretty. much

an inconvenient truth that you just can't actually get that innovation in the u.s. anymore because all the corporations that are in a position to innovate are culturing shareholders and tell frying the taxpayers and

using financial leisure jemaine on wall street to line their pockets. leading to his. time to supposedly discredit american. leader of the. movement.