to join us in the depths. or a maybe in the shallows. like why does someone do that right that's what everybody wants to know and they're liable to have achieved their want to those playing where. there was played well because i think most people would like to think i would like to think to myself i would never do that but did you ever say to yourself down why did i tell these life not why i tell these lies that i started a new rooted in religion that exist in my really did not exist as i would just are i just throw going to there probably exist among the worlds is just filler hurt there are i said something i knew form work with the model of the wood with the model of the mire it was a it was a ritual but just to go home or guess my way normal. i was

word it was going to be true or it was world which were all. choices shop or were. in form right.

now here she is. see the corners in there. would you bring that phone cord in somebody's up no not only did cream bring that in but he brought it in and dropped the other another portion of it in the purse that's yes that's absurd i bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the kitchen floor and they're like it doesn't work doesn't work renee not good enough didn't didn't he do it in the living room look at this photo look i want to see you oh yeah. the truth doesn't fit with renee's no concise no i want to see a real place and. i think you heard that some wishful thinking like i don't think there is a real police report i mean. i just don't. maybe

they sort of knew there were days confession was not so good or not true and so they didn't really want corinne because they didn't really believe that he was there. that or that it happened like that and so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody. one taking on a case like rene's the danger is always the case evidence for other crimes you know evidence has not been preserved. if there's no crime scene evidence or case evidence. then there's nothing to d.n.a. test and if there's no d.n.a. to test it's extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent and. that's really the issue here right.

in rene's piece it was a very bloody crime scene the murder weapon was never found but there was a purse. had a bloody fingerprint in it and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it the d.n.a. tested some things but not those and the only d.n.a. found at the crime scene was the victim's. phone and. the i think out of 41 pieces of evidence they tested 7. for d.n.a. and so you know they're in trouble right at trial because you can't get convicted on your own confession alone so they go and they try to round up jailhouse snitches but only one worked. so it was her confession and a jailhouse snitch which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because there's no physical evidence

corroboration to the confession is snitch. you know i. have no particular oh. oh. ok. do you mind if i said this. is all. good that's ok you know. oh it was. before the bible. do you remember interacting with any of the police officers back then mr. student was name was very it is in some of. my impression looking back thank you all hear she's

guilty. she's guilty and he go make sure you know you can sometimes it was. so now we know i was my d.n.a. so he's so. somebody else. to be right how. was one of the things that's one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest the d.n.a. there's knowledge she has no chance some cases we get and we look at them and we even if we believe the person is innocent we can say well i mean there's just for a variety of reasons nothing we can do there's something we can do here but not a lot of people get exonerated. real soon to a 1000000 years flew you. know the. hello. is this workout.

i just want to talk to you because i know how being we're now trying to get her out can we come by one driver just talk to me i. think you so much. we need to ask most of the most important thing to so how she was to her what her interactions with the police were. with young. with andrea you know in our life me every day and he didn't have a car when they. didn't. do anything like where you're going to get out to let me out. here when you want to get out and so you actually did get out thank you we really appreciate it. ok so that's good that's helpful.

let's talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on 1 pm oh. time was right now is when you will too. long really didn't you know there were worse. dan burton being interviewed a. lot and so on. more and more to. the ends of montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. he's 14 years old friends when this happened and he is tiny like maybe 110 pounds very young a one year older. the overlap between meltzer and lorenzo is a mouser they tell him there's these videotapes that show him abusing children which

there aren't in lorenzo's they actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says well i'm a shoe print expert and your shoe. it is the print at the crime scene that was untrue. you know we spent all night. to get up there as it is you can call the day you are not rest until in black or it is going to happen we've got one. window g.-r. coming down. for you there so you the 3rd are there knows where the others. are until you are there even if you have no idea where you bury your friends. or as with a lot of friends we've done it every day if you were there we're going to find out now that's interesting. he didn't say we had your blood we had your saliva he said

we have that to be tested basically right. there is a good lawyer. the moment a. hot . political. issue we'll. in the united states police a permitted to lie about evidence. and say right out of that we have a. lot of fast. that is a shocking discovery to most people most western countries don't permit it the u.s.

supreme court permits it so consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence they sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is tell. yes the you are involved in something they've already started that strange thing process and the mother already is believing. the troubles with donald trump is that he exploited entirely the counter and lightman legacy who was much more successful than hillary clinton is appealing to people on the level of culture and heart and national identity and all that sort of thing but as with demagogues throughout human history here exploited emotion especially dark emotions like fear and hatred and resentment to serve only his own interests not the interests of the nation at large.

some control for a middle class to homeless proven and most of our very hard working people that want to get ahead that is either have some some health issues or have some of it out of strict about luck the whole time joel moon told me his pay for a place to live and missing just a month's rent can get you with victim to gunpoint if anything bad happens to any thing that just throws your budget off slightly. you better catch up real quick or you're going to have a judgment of possession against you and get addicted by anyone that's homeless is treated like garbage people look at you like a monster or someone batter you chose to be there most of the time it's not the case see how it is to be put on in the world's richest country. zillah going to see both of you. dead already.

is a little bit isn't it. is it. true that the brain is you that you are sure you know that even better to savor it. so you did you mean mistake so he just introduced the word mistake he's about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role it's part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to his suspect that i think you're a good person i understand what you've been through i sympathize with what you've been through often you hear normalising statements like you know water if i were in your situation i would have done the same thing and all by the way i don't think you intended to do this i think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was a red zone. i don't do that i haven't done it. i did want to jack the

car and it went bad did. the communication moves in one direction it is designed to leave the person the suspect and think that the police don't think this is such a big deal. and therefore be treated with leniency ok so one of my choices either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak or i can admit to what they want me to admit to given all of the minimisation that they've given me and enjoy the benefit of that who are going to go. you. know how do you press they're going to do that big look at how much they have communicated already he now knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not he now knows enough about it to give you a description. so why are you here. we're working. through. the wrestle you see things in the

computer here 1st nature g.r. who kicks you in the head of course the building a story for him to tell. or is it you know a great ridge those. part of the drake shoes. brazill position. your job is just right he's now being set up so that when he's ready to give a statement he knows exactly what that statement that. you know is kicked in the head shoe dragging her through the blood. he's got a call so later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession and they're going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened in all those things if he was in there right. stare me down oh. you need to back up. i just stand here i want your prior 5 minutes you

wait it up you know. you're not going home tonight i can guarantee you that home. and they did not put in a juvenile hall for her which would be boys you know. you. talk now or say goodbye to your mom it's pretty clear and your cousin and your sister and your girlfriend and your life. is you ready. to. do what kim and this person do. itself in the situation anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone you just fall down. doesn't everybody have

a breaking point so why must. he was in prison for 14 years so he got out at 28 he was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison he's 14 and he can't be in with the general population so he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years for $14.00 to $18.00 lorenzo was exonerated and we have a similar right suit pending for him and the. opposition are you know they're they're moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. and if you're being interrogated you're not being interrogated because they're just looking for information you're being interrogated because they want you to confess . so today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction which is that we have a retired n.y.p.d. homicide detective among other things current private investigator i'm pleased to

introduce you j. sol peter welcome thank you very much and thank you for having me so. how the hell are we going to get this fixed a we believe a remedy seems like a long shot to me it's going to take forever well the beginning is basically that all you know all interrogations are video and audiotapes. and i think that would stop at least 75 percent of these fools confessions i don't know how you're going to get away with it i'm a bit of criminal justice system as a store looking at prosecutors from we be you would false confessions faster with making noise that make prosecutor culpable i mean that's the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune it doesn't matter what they did they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would we cannot get any liability. and of course. police are allowed to use trickery and i know every defense attorney in the world is against

that. so we talked about how out of these 4 cases korean belts and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene you know her case remains active and she's been in prison now for 20 years her son grew up without a mom she you know he has she's grandkids now that she's never met other than on a phone through glass. if she said to heart attacks while she's been in prison and it's probably not getting the right medical treatment for that you know we're just hoping that you know time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later but i mean she is a. a life that's. wasted. good morning how are you. ok.

how is your heart. out. or. very. heart. i know. have you done to play some together it's ok i understand some difficulty and i know that it's taking a lot of time but. we don't want to mess it up rene we only only going to get one shot at this. hour. so just hang in there. and promise you there will be an end and i hope it's a good one but there won't be an end.

to the loop closes and no ms of the disease newsmen they are mares and do. to them. because. those 2 new system is missing the biggest turns into will not do this thing. so you. do believe you do. that got close. to. some of.

them to us he anyway blame himself for i think so control ending and 1st thing they all do with it my own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well the stigma they attach to themselves they feel weak nytol stupid they don't understand what happened how to come out to themselves and even when the convictions overturned if the reason they were convicted was a confession as opposed to something else the stigma attached to the state even after they were exonerated right people are not quite 100 percent sure i have the confession is so powerful that even therefore it's supposed to evaporate.

so corey today is he's living well right he got a huge settlement but it doesn't take away those demons in his head you know he's he was in from 16 to almost 30 so what are you now when you come out he's never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know you and i can probably accomplish sometimes but he has lost his whole family there's no relationship with them really. and that's something that then why p.b. in the city in the prosecutor's took away from him right that money can't replace. combatants in society you don't you don't know what to do in cherry. you don't know what to do or. so it is sort of your brain. will be the morning. star over here. start to join the lingo whatever the journey may be. if you're going to stand

in the house you know from wonder. being free. it really is. a problem that you know is systemic. it's a problem that victimizes a lot of people right you have the the person who falls in compresses whose life is ruined you have their family whose lives are ruined you have the victim they're still alive and the victim's family who think they're getting justice but they're not and then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition when we walk up the wrong guy we stop looking for the right guy it's really a. it's a it's

a tremendous challenge. i think it's a cultural problem we need a whole societal education about this our criminal justice system is based on the premise that it's better for 10 guilty people to go free than one innocent person to go to prison right i mean that is a fundamental concept of the american justice system but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well i just guess the courts don't get it. every story will false confessions not just a story that gets at the question of why in god's name did an innocent person confessed to a crime he or she didn't commit it's a 2nd story the 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor the judge the jury the appeals. all mr. mir is now able to research actual cases laboratory studies field studies and 100 plus years of basic psychology tells us when you lie to people about evidence when you lie to people about reality you can change their

perceptions and change their memory so you can change just about every aspect of their color or function. or british human progress more for his brain point.

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