americans love by and homed. this was a fundamental part of how our political leadership and our country at large understood the bargain you get a hope and then you know rebel right as the things you don't revolt if you have a stake in the system. be really interesting to dial it back and think about the longer deeper history i'll play housings man in the united states not just all the question of the american dream but the bigger question of who the dream is and for. folks a little while back we had leslie out of junior and you know from hamilton the great singer great actor and started on broadway when i was 12 so he told me he fell into

a funk quansah his father in law acting teacher stuart j. robinson gave him an amazingly lucid note i thought that played out to bigger things than acting to real life i said i'd like to interview that cat we are lucky enough to track that he'll join us after the show acting coach motivational speaker leslie join us father in law stuart kaye robinson right after this and then a smaller plus what. folks welcome to dennis miller plus one i've been reading a lot of books about acting lately and we had. our guests sudden law. and i wanted to talk the stewart k. robinson because it's leslie odom jr as a son a lot he told me a quote that you know he just said some advice that his father in law given him as

an acting teacher and i found it so alone minutes of we'll get to it in a 2nd to let me give you his c.v. he's a motivational speaker an acting teacher in los angeles which by the way is just right now it must be weird i'll ask you about that c.e.o. of brady brannon and rich talent he also featured in actor singer leslie odom jr's book failing up when we talked like i said to leslie a few weeks ago i said i've got to meet this cap which how are you i'm good i know it's your show but i want to start off by telling you how grateful and. impressed the hand that you have me on the show because we've never met you don't know me from adam and your viewers don't know me from adam but we were talking to leslie and you heard something that you thought would be good for your viewers and he said i don't care this guy's not a celebrity i want to hear what he has to say and that's is something by you so thank you he. thank you stuart i also remember again this cat's cluelessly if this

guy ray's daughter who. i think leslie could go in the finn if he were friends or being of a v i thought i got to meet the 0 because it sounds like a go win when all the lawyer. activity ciara tell you what let's we don't keep the secret from the listeners i think he was talking about how and the guy so profession he's got skills on like 8 levels he's as they say in baseball he's a 5 tool player he could hit with power run through the low leg but he said that he was he fell into a trough for a while and this kid started these 12 years old he's on broadway open it all the sundays in a chop off and he said stuart robinson told me that a lot of acting people who hire actors off times watch it with the sound down which i blew my mind that he said and he said that i was not giving off the right

schwab to v. vibe or something like that that's the broads there strokes of it let's talk to stuart k. robinson and figures right stuart tell me what what were you seeing in leslie that you felt you needed the say something. well there's 2 parts of it so i'll start with the acting part and then i go to the life part because they certainly can but . in many actors is they've been informed incorrectly about how this business works that people tell you it's about what you wear and it's about learning your lines and it's about being nice in the room and it's about making sure you give the best performance but you and i both know that we have no tools to judge what's the best performance or who's talented and who's not we only know how we feel so one of the keys to this business is how you make people feel i mean you you've built a career on. on a persona that i believe you chose because you do that people. and you said

i'm going to present this so that people get a certain feeling as i perform and then i can do my company in whatever way i want but i'm willing to act the way they feel so when you're when you've been in the business for a little while and that the ups downs and the ups downs you start to go on automatic pilot not to just not in life in relationships work in all of those things so a retail store and. the service wasn't so great and the mass murder thing in this is we're out of stock and. i pulled the manager a sign i said what do you have to keep you in business anymore but the service you get because we can order equipment online and allow your neighbors you know the mesh do the things so you kids just show up to a comedy club or a show or

a sporting event and just read the script you got to put something behind it that makes it something extra special and leslie. at the time was ready to quit the acting business he just didn't have enough of not knowing where his next paycheck was coming from and i'm going to be honest with him tell you that i didn't know that he was the singer that he was i had seen here and he had met my daughter doing some musical theater so i knew he could sing but i didn't know he can do what he does. so he sat me down at lunch to say you know i want to quit this business i'm going to go into the hotel management. see what you think i said listen i support you whatever you do and if you really want to go and hotel management i'm sure you'll be great at it but i'd love to see you

try before you quit and of course he was offended at 1st because we stood on broadway since he was a kid and work through an adult as are so you just. haven't been hadn't happened yet and. she he you know he'd be at the hotel the cast stays at the living room service. i said no i mean really try i mean really take care of the things that you can take care of your great when you get an audition or when you get a job you show up and really serve it up but what did you do today to move toward your dream what did you read what did you write who did you call what did you practice what song did you sing i said write down the street 2 blocks there's a starbucks that will be glad to have you come in and center will microphone and sing did you do that today or you just waiting for someone for success to knock on

your door and say is there is there a candidate in there they're not going to do it so if so what i want to make clear to them is it's not trying the harder it's trying to better. trying or clearly it's being more present so when you're performing are you really inhabiting this character or are you really bringing some zest and some joy and some feeling and some pain and all of that or you know just another puppet were we pull the strings . and i know you know that. for that translates so much to life when i think about when i think about the great steven spielberg who has you know john ford is like 5 guys david lane john ford you know stably who have been on that level when he was young spielberg jumps the fence at universal goes and finds an empty office kohls a desk in such sub shop he's not even been hired the next thing you know

a joan crawford. night gallery comes across does that he says yeah i'll direct this is the stuff you've got to do folks there's a 1000000 people who want into the game and at some point like stuart said you get it inhabit it and send some energy where it's not a question of whether or not they want to use they go oh i got to use that cat there's something glowing so i couldn't think better advice what you gave him thank you it's funny you mention. ran into a guy i knew years ago and i said hey what do you lead up to he's a wonder writer now. i write you know for emma and which is steven spielberg's company and wow that's really cool you know how did you how do you know steven spielberg he said i didn't. call him. i say you called him he said yeah i called him and said you know i had to call 12

times and get some receptionist who then said we do an assistant who can sit with someone else but then one day somebody said this is steven and he pitched his idea you see 99 percent of us would never make that call because we believe in. what matt damon say in we bought a zune which was the best moment and we bought a zoo unfortunately we said sometimes all you need is 20 seconds of outrageous courage yes. through that step through that stargate we're talking an acting coach motivational speaker stuart k. robinson i want to hit the motivational speaker thing on the other end of this but whenever i'm talking acting with somebody i like to pick their brain i always love the brando at some point meets up with follows the method stuff and i don't know if you know. i don't know to what theory you prescribe will talk about that but i love

that at some point even brando is bold enough the 20 seconds. to say stratford might be sitting up in the room cheering us on new but i don't know if he knows every day because he's teach it and i want to do it so he takes the next step if i still adler and out of all the admonitions i've heard from acting coaches to actors or please i love her things they use your imagination that i mean at some point you can have all the system you want you get a sense that mollett run it through your prism come up with your magic and sprinkle it on it i love that simple phrase use your imagination tell me your approach when you have these kids coming in l.a. young people who can be crushed if their dreams not realized but when you see somebody who has a spark what the it would be or do you like to give them in addition to what you talked about leslie but what would be a good adding actor is the honest truth is that i found that the majority of my students needed last instruction on how to read the script or do those things they

needed more instruction on how to recognize what it is they bring to it. the script isn't going to speak itself you got to bring something to it and so that comes into a bigger concept which is the center of my motivational speaking which is. the moment your viewers are going to succeed is the moment when they realize what it is they really do. in other words not the title not the profession not the training what is it you really do that is unique and different and special etc and most people don't know that they get stuck in the title thing so my wife is a choreographer she has the ability to hear a song and she sees the whole dance in her head like that i think nothing. like this and she has not only the steps but the stage

pictures and what the story is my brother in law is an artist. rama and he you can look at a canvas and see the result i look at a canvas and go through. a contractor looks at an empty lot and sees the hocks so my work with actors is getting them to see what is that vision that they have what is that thing that they do that is going to elevate this material to a level that we have to have you do it i don't want to use hoping to book a job i don't want them hoping they please someone i want them saying i see the character you've created and i'm going to show you i'm going to introduce you to him or her. i'm going to bring along that i love the idea of isolating what you see

one plea for the rest so the case and playing to that strain it's all we've got folks i can talk about snowflakes fingerprints everybody's different if you don't set that and figure out what it is if you're like losing that one click before the rest of that. you've lost whatever it is you're out there in the marketplace selling it's very salient point that from our guest stuart k. robinson now as we said he has translated would we talk a little acting but we've had motivational speakers on the show some have fallen short for me there are times when i almost feel like it was pro-forma or wrote but i also like a good motivational speaker when they've stumbled on something truly illuminative because i do think everybody out there can find something from somebody and it can click for them i'm going to pick stork a robinson's brain about well a high you get through life or get to acting let's talk about life which increasingly in his own culture is quite

a big performance acting teacher motivational speaker stuart k. robinson will stay with us we'll touch on right after this dennis miller plus one. that's right a stand his holiness and then. move on what has. this advantage. for a kid. that the next question you can get can am i did feel eternal thankful that it is it is a living. now wanting. the family

owned why the man. made fun of. its whole from. the i knew you didn't pay on time until he has said. from my love for the demand for it will fuck around with mr hayes to trade him in anywhere but i hope that our family many. thanks folks welcome to dennis miller plus one or welcome back i should say we're joined by a guest motivational speaker acting coach stuart k.

robinson and i before we go on i'm listening after as i say sometimes most interesting input is found on the periphery of the screen while i'm trying to hook up with stewart talk right to a space i see the great mohammed ali over the shoulder and i'm wondering what has what is he meant to you over over the course of your life. well you know as you know ali. was a superior talent but he discovered what he does very early on and what he does is stand for his principles you can't take anything away from him that he he never buckled under he never gave into the system he had to what i think you and i will agree with the prime years of his career taken way and he still was able to be a champion is that because he was the best fighter i don't know i think it was because he understood what it is that he does and how he translate that to

translate that to what he does to to me that's a champion spirit and. champion spirits. i think he let me put champion in bass bass terms are folks i think he realized if he had fought through those years and gone against his basic grain he was penny wise and pound foolish the reason mohammed ali will live forever and even amongst the goats you see the goats when they talk about who the goat is jordan's cats like that they talk about allie what is the separating point imagine that folks you are literally the king of the world plying your craft and your physical prime carnival barker sells well like the world has never seen a commerce locus you have it absolutely all and you look at a camera and say no vietcong ever done anything to me. it absolutely boggles the mind what sort of balls that. yes specially at that time especially

that moment in history you know today it's a little easier for me to sit here and give advice and talk about how the world should work etc but back in those days nobody was listening to anything and ali or superhero and soon had to say and. without him opening those doors who were. when you see when you see ellie back in my mother africa run in in the morning everybody's getting up at like an hour before sunrise just so they can as his shadow burdens on the road in the morning his son comes up the kids what a basket it was and there's there's proficiency in sports then there is how do you make that dent on humanity and stuart just well he made the sacrifice listen you don't even have to agree with it everybody goes their own way on these things but you have to agree with my man had more to lose than anybody doing that

and yet he went ahead and did it that's why he lives forever the great muhammad ali . well stuart talk about being a motivational speaker in los angeles when i 1st came to l.a. i found a i always thought it was a dangerous confluence in a way i always took things seriously and el al was never a capricious lad when i got there because i said i am at the venn diagram between need to succeed need to be famous need to be wealthy need to explore my craft and moses is a gate where not everybody can get in it always seemed really dangerous to me where i said listen the only thing i can govern today is my caloric expenditure i'm going to put some b. to use and hustle my hair in between gigs because i'm not even in that door there so when you go out and give motivational speeches i guess in a way let's put it in let's do the of duct serve it's lighting

a fire under speed right yet and it's it's getting some clarity about things that seem obvious but we've forgotten because we experience them long ago and cetera there are some really fundamental truths in life that tend to get in the way of people's. success i wrote a book about it called it all begins with i but basically 14 new rules. thinking that if you follow them you do better i can't make rules for you i can't control you i can't tell you what to think i can't tell you what to do what i can do is tell me what to think and what to do so the biggest thing i do as a motivational speaker is trying to get people to come to terms with the obvious things that hold them back number one their voice in your head because that's the biggest obstacle for most people most people are defeated before they even start because 247 they've got this voice in their head echoing to them that they're not

enough and you know they're not special i'm not a muhammad ali and what if i do this wrong and what if i mess this up what if people don't like me and blush and that voice is like like you're running a marathon there's a coach running along beside you saying aren't you tired don't you think you're going to fall out you're not going to make it you're not going to any 247 so you'll forgive this analogy but i call it fire the announcer. voice isn't in the game that one is i'm not good you know that ways in the book could tell you what. the truth is you've sat in the booth with some guys saying any drop back for a pass any throws i'm. going pathan throw i don't want you to tell me he dropped back the path of the row so we announcer in my head is doing the same things oh you're screwing this up dennis miller hates you this isn't going well oh my god maybe you're talking too loud maybe you do and you might know you know this and by

the time that voice gets done i'm already defeated myself. you're not finding the coach in your head because the coach is in the game. because it is controlling some things that gone is that on the field with a no no it's not up an ether right so you can separate the difference between the announcer and fire the announcer you know you know the time enough to need a play by play person and economy you need. the thing the thing that i've always. kind of baffled by is when people say i came to your course i obviously i'm coming out of my own volition and i want something at some point when people start to ascribe guru status to somebody i think they're abdicating their own pop or in a way i like getting insight from other people that's what my day in

a day life is or that's what our day to day life is garnering information what's the weight what's the chaffery but the fact there are some people who very easily go to completely do it the guru says that's missing the point there's a motivational speaker and then the life coach then gets a little weirder for. absolutely and my goal even in speaking to you today is not to tell you what to do but just in the conversation in your head did you start making some categories. are coming to ask you find out today. years ago i worked with a guy as a producer and every time i'd leave him at the end of a meeting or something he'd say laughing it's a can be made good things happen and then i say but really what he was saying is that's in your power so then if you. again call you dennis like we hang out all the

time so so that but. you know i have to say sorry we're now hearing that were and are right now saying if. you have a choice about what you're going to make happen today and you can go and see what comes and take it as it comes or you could say you know what today i'm going to enrich someone's life today i'm going to come up with a brilliant new idea today i'm going to heal a relationship today i'm going to do those things so i'm not interested in you following me because. you're far more successful human being than i am but my gift is being able to look at something as here's what i do here's the secret for me tell me tell me i can look at something whether it's a script or a song or a show or a career or a relationship or a meal and the same way my wife can see dead steps i can see how to make it better

i can always do it better but i can see how to make it better so when i get you to see how to make it better you don't need me i always tell my students on the 1st day i don't i don't do a 2 year program because i don't want you here for 2 weeks 2.2 years i want your for 2 weeks i want you to get. better you can build your dream so i don't sign you up long term thing the quicker i get you out of here the quicker you're going to run out and tell everybody studio wasn't since my life i don't want to hang around here forever. except as a tune up i'm trying to think of when you 1st punk that i know i would you come from a store and when you got there were you look at 1st they were often sort or were you able to translate some of these i could look at something tell you how to make it better were you able to translate that to your own arrival in the city of angels yeah that came very late in life i grew up apparently i don't know the details but

i grew up not far from you i grew up about 50 miles west of pittsburgh pennsylvania . unfortunately at that time. people of color minorities weren't particularly the flavor of the day so you know the system there was kind of you speak when you're spoken to and you know this is about as high as you're going to ascend and you should you should accept that and be ready for it and i was just not that kind of guy and my family was not that kind of family so we kind of fled there when i was 12 years old and came here and i floundered around for a while and. sort of fell into show business because i realized i had some talent but that just wasn't enough and it wasn't until i still found a fascination with everything i wanted to direct and i wanted to write in a casting director not now a talent agency and i started composing and singing and playing music and doing all

those things and it wasn't to my perspective from all of those angles that i went. this isn't about what they told me it's about this is about something totally different this is about bringing something from me and when that light came on. everything they told me back in small town pennsylvania what i couldn't do. when we were talking to my new friend motivational speaker acting teacher in los angeles stuart k. robinson he is the c e o young talent out there brady brandon and rich talent agency and like i said i met him through leslie odom and i'm glad leslie brought him up because it's so nice to meet him in person and we will chat on the road hopefully i look forward to it and i thank you for taking his time with me it's been a pleasure. stuart and robinson on dennis miller plus one aloha.

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