coming on on the show the politicization of life and death here in britain is more about the corona virus vaccine and has the us politicized that for you personally it is the politicization of democracy by the e.u. arguably that is a life or death matter just tell me what their removal of your immunity from prosecution means well thank you very much for inviting me quite clear a threat against one of the bases of her european democracy. which consists in the finding from the want all right human values that are a and when a member of european parliament. is politically prosecuted and the parliament found to be fan during his immunity well that is a very bad time to share with the rest of the world and that is not in the frame of the repair rule of law. and anaheim's fact their moral authority are

to be in union to teach others regions and work to protect human rights and to mentor who was in front of such little research question made by an interesting. just very briefly take us through it because the spanish prosecutors want you to answer for the calling of a referendum on cattle and independence and then to belgium court decisions said the spanish courts didn't have the right to. take you to spain for trial is is that right well it wasn't 1st of all was that decision made by the german corps in this letter. that they said clearly they would be they refused to extradite me to spain as a guilty of $3000000.00 or sedition and now is the 3rd attempt by the spanish authorities announced in front of the bottom court but one colleague of us was

leaving home we asked him exactly 2 former qatar minister of culture. in that case the belgian court be cycle regimes also extradition best moderate reasons. because there is a height reese explained violate. his right presumption of innocence so it's probably could be the same as rationing our case once belgium court. restart the person you are our extradition us minus burning your heart. i mean i'll get my jewel case in a 2nd but to be clear what the e.u. has done means that for anyone in the e.u. if they are wanted by a nation state in the european union and the regional court says you will get a fair trial the e.u. will say no you still have to be extradited is that the result of this e.u.

decision are they actually practical terms there nothing has changed i continue to be a member of your parliament. participating in hands as in me be. but naturally there is now civility to be extra right misspend. which for sure i will have not a fair trial so that is something shameful for european institutions to have a clear proof that is a political persecution. made by a member state and to cooperate and to be accomplice of that could be a part of the persecution allowing the state to park prevent my mandate as elected by more than 1000000 people to represent the same idea as spain and using poor person giving us so we something new for me after me

disappointing but there is not the last step of our high. i will continue in the core of european court of justice in luxembourg can you even imagine that if something like this happened in britain the nicholas sturgeon would be on the run and threatened with jail extradition to britain of course it's different because of breck's it which complicates a bit i mean that that could theoretically happen do any you know it happened to them mislead is no absolutely not isn't believable not only in the case of the scottish scottish friend and your individual cry of honduras or individual quebec canada are they done unilateral referendum twice. and haven't no one was sent to criminals who are looking prison like in spain from 9 to 13 years in jail are calling your friend at the gym

believable. for that for my point of view that is more spin blue or to use the behavior of european institutions in front of that editor not but violation of a moment of light that is very disappointing i suspect that. prospect in reaction around your line of authoritarian reaction but. my heart i feel you are all we know will say send a clear message. not in that way you must to show what you call conflicts you want to prove prattles other spanish reaction is is nuanced now pedre sanchez is in power and on on to that but some people with a longer historical memory might disagree and say this is the europe as usual because as you know and maybe you can tell me i mean but catalonia means george

orwell to people in britain and arguably world war 2 was created by european powers not paying attention to catalonia joe writes. in the other hand i am very happy to be a member of european because thanks to repeal a rule of law here really is a free european citizen protected by different people and acting as a member of her grandpa and what wasn't possible to do if i. remain it in a spain because i was jailed. for. but for a while you were in jail in schleswig. what did it personally feel like to be a president in exile in a german prison well not the 1st time when the german police arrested the current president because one of my predecessors which. was arrested right in 40

friends when he left along after the fall of arcelor because. he was arrested by german police he was sent to the government who he was executed but fortunately protected and i changed and after 12 days in a prison they decide to release me because the charge that spain has presented are not acceptable you know western democracy work what kind of crime is sedition or a 1000000000 so i was my country then we have our good religion russian in my case because germany probably germany is against government person independent but at the time and germany is a democracy so. far mean and form was already a thing of german people out was believable to acceptable edition in

a german prison secluded and said primus hillary 1000000 or sedition that means it sounds from a 19th century your father says about it given your father and his dad was a spanish republican on the side of. but communists and and a guests. were in that cauldron that were the start of world war 2 now and my father dies in. one here ago my father was a young young guy and when. she were struck my grandfather my grandfather was an example to after the pole a car and he was interned in the. regime come trans and he finally disappear in courtney's of the invasion of nazis in the french presumed on our well i can tell you there is

a. big. history fight. and there is one experience very interesting experience to fight. against all kind of who she's moved and him all kind of families the majority of these experiences. members or at least. fighting promise aisle from that side having troubles we can have that there are so it's not it's not the 1st guy generation who needs to go exactly or reason but our hope is to be the last one. except of course back in the thirty's we had george orwell we had brilliant writers hemingway writing about what was going on do they live on can lend giving us a live under len knows that the mainstream media won't be covering what happens to go toward joins and and that she she has heard of because it's going to go after

the man knows very well the wow history of europe. i think because she's it. but obviously european institutions and dance of the big states. and their interests are that states are usually georgia are all experiencing get along or soon the mental in order to understand all. the right after he's experiencing government not only of heights took a toll on you but also. i'm not sure injured or. in and for understand exactly what to do europe you need to read or all and it's impossible to understand or without to know exactly what happened in catalonia the mission we want to share with the rest be appearance we'll catalans we are part of europe and our. crises

european crises because of the good you're going to modest. well examinate a hole in the way what. a europe will matter right i don't want to sound like vox the fascist no fascist party would send to the catalan parliament but don't you think that there's more to it than just independence after the 2008 economic crisis as the chinese call it the western european crisis what your party represents what a left wing independent catalonia represents is a threat to you neo liberalism that's why you must pay the price while early could be that process because it is some ways a rouge in our process but on. where we land in the hands of the people

who are going today the classical democracies. but in the other hand for our prime point of view that will enforce european democracy because we believe in the fundamentals of the foundation of european union. after the 2nd to the 2nd world war based on peace the dialog box received respect for. diversity and respect for several identities interact and that is exactly and the accountable the congress of our independence didn't exactly be deemed her. i can understand why some expressions of my brow democracy feel threatened by. such. kind of a revolution but unfortunately that is part of them that is the sign of our

time when there are always asian a division revolution there is more over it thanks to knowledge thanks to access to information it's time to change the way that our managed democracy that for just a revolution will real provoke significant a huge change the way i like that kind of state money hour and now isn't it dears a new attitude. just citizens. more power tools like these with a lot of our in our pockets so broadly some traditional states feels threatened by that new and powerful process. some of that could be in the words of pederast son just when he was seeking election in madrid coverage of our stop either more from the gotland

president in exile after this short break. americans love. this was a fundamental part of how our political leadership and our country at large understood the bargain you get a hope and then you know rebel right as the things you don't revolt if you have a stake in the system. to be really interesting back and think about the longer deeper history housings men in the united states not just that question of the american dream but the bigger question of who the dream is for.

welcome back i'm still here with a 138th president of the government of gaza loney a culprit of all a moon why do you think could a more spear sowing and changing their view of catalan independence i mean these are not just you is it other people are paying the price of derby at oriel you care as who cares where where is he right now of course right here your he's in jail was he was condemned. 13 years in jail for organizing my government. but i understand your question

wrong we must be i want to be clear it is. the new spanish government in the coalition government socialist party and the most party. change its mockable aren't that strong nothing to do with the language of the corollary used by the former spanish prime minister. parking money around. but that's all nothing has changed in the remaining jam in the remaining so i am generally pretty quick there is really getting i.d.s. coalition. well that the coalition question now spank me yeah in terms of the ideals you speak of as as you said because sanchez seemed to say much warmer to you than previous ballots politicians under the right it seems you are use exactly word

seems but it is not. because of. a change yes and they ask about dialogue but in a very rhetorical way it's not a case where they must i also wouldn't want to stress this or them or seize clearly committed to political solution and to allow the possibility to call for our. writer and all our non-binding consultation rather than that it's clear but unfortunately the vice president especially by president and leader of the mosque as resign 3 years ago he theys ago so we loose one of the most powerful voices in the spanish cabinet for a political solution and the rest of the member of the cabinet. nearly socialist party are clearly against not only. russians or southern asian

but even. a kind of honest people that are shot at conflicts so it seems it's not. the amnesty bill doesn't look like succeeding this week when it's not just the infamously institutional socialist party in spain it's also the progressive voices no one can say that the mayor of the learned it allowed is not progressive why do you think you don't get much of. towards as much support as you might from a gallon was alone are if you look at the feeders of the latest town elections in barcelona you can see close parking. several repeat a big defeat in brazil so that my arsenal is not really supported by a majority so he's vice and her voice doesn't explain the feel of the majority of the people of barcelona probably. he's more and he. must

worry about. of his or chanel really or future don. can project of the barcelona project. absolutely. yeah yeah i mean she says she's doing well but of course there is and i think she was asked about whether there were parallels with the season she said there weren't but but what do you make of the rise of vox in catalonia you might have to rebel our viewers around the world who they are this this is this looks like a frightening development to those on the progressive left surely well a fact there are far right where was where all is present in the current politics represented by the spanish policy our lives our prosperity. our in catalonia close to strand right zeeshan song is the rule is another new

phenomenon but as a part yes but there is a part of the time society. minority minority are who will. share the same bill hughes was vox and not expressed. clearer than the others that a yes but if you look at the time parliament you can see the far right. these representing. the union east ideologies of union east positioned but no one far right remember a couple and i remember handing the independence of our is very poor it was the far right are a canonical idea used always defending the unity of spain and the wrong dependence. elected members are always in the proceeds height of

the cattle on parliament hill harper has collected that 100 angry mob of cattle on rush lives. oh he's very strong nationalists. people and india has. some kind of nostalgie from the frankest there are frag of course supported by britain all through those ears i have to ask you this question seriously because allegations are made against you that you have been working with julian assange who according to the un is being tortured here in london and would snowden who has asylum in moscow for availing secrets of the us secret state and the russian army i don't know about russian soldiers being brought in to create an independent catalonia what did you make of those allegations made by any you judge our lives.

something you said is a joke but in the span you're really you would say that yazid. for meat and lable happened jascha leave trust in that kind of fantasy obviously we. actually agree julian assange which absolutely no them and they fight for freedom and i personally. ali demanding the release of going to national munch i can scream here. what. about that kind of connections sure release the connections and that these are nora people knew that song only go parties were people hours. management spent not on

a spending try to put on the agenda in order to be security to attack our. repudiation our credibility so if they can't fight you. in the field of idea x. may try to use that dark tool nearest how you are a friend of russians one who are friends of that criminal intent or are well if you look into the. there's nothing wrong not some fantasy in order to attack our population we were spared spain is famous for serial or starve and culture of course but i mean it affects this this channel you're on now my my effective boss margarita simonyan name by the judge i understand that you are working with her and thousands of troops were being prepared from russia to help

you and i can tell you this. there is not one single fact losing go through your single invention of that and $81000000000.00 eggs $1000000.00 was an hour if you want if your. thing on this do you think i will be. you know so it's something surrealistic. and i'm very far at 1st when i say this my smiling kind of for a joke it is about and then i realized it was a construction of the fake reality in order to undermine our credibility is that it might have been firmware i mean just from just from new york in the year of the judge or from other forces in. the state mistakenly spain and the deeper state the spanish state the same as the franc were in the same ground the

team on the spanish king was in power right franco there was no one single referendum in spain of hours of people prefer one archie or republic and the jack most of them are part of the far far right party box in the media sponging here are the same this and. so it's quite normal. to have the state who are using their view if you are against these events it's not new unfortunately we we know that but what happened in the case of the basque country. for me kate or kate and you and i am and now we are dealing with the same catalunya constructional cases against a leader politically very busy vengeful human lawyers my lawyer my lawyer is big

him or a loafer process. believe all reads of him and he's in there. and your trial. link of by. dr who came catalans it around something absolutely incredible name not only attach the part of the police i just this up of the political power the part of the media at least spanish people state europe would say it is a cradle of democracy although of course i know you support the a lot of people supporting breck's it here and in other nations would say the deep state has a hand in preventing a withdrawal from the european union what advice would you give now to your colleagues tony common glare upon society who are facing prison as well while we are on the same team were hiking together. they are breaking. are some people.

or just to be clear someone could i'm not sure there's no interpol notice as far as i know but someone could break down your door tomorrow and haul you back to spend one hour no outlet and i mean remains as a member of european parliament. and the remains here you have no immunity from prosecution yes but we haven't immunity before reelected members are implemented but we fight. for our freedom. for us nothing has changed. probably we can be arrested if we. go to another european country we will continue. i being with political tools using our minds in european parliament be announcing my

emotional commitment to rights as a medic restraint or the whole european union until. the last in jail we will fight against. and you're prepared for a 13 year sentence and as well as jail if there is no alternative there is no option in my life. well until i right if rights we will fight very hard and our ones will be her nowhere of europe or the president thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday to speak to a lawyer defending the rights of native americans from the survival of climate change threaten humanity and we go to yemen the british weapon sales continue to worsen the world's worst humanitarian crisis see them.

it was spoken to me days and been published seen the african scene we've seen you know good data from the. chinese might seem like any other vaccine if the data holds all you can call them a line you know what's the basis for that statement. i would say to all the people you meet the scientific basis for vaccines are given the thumbs up from a scientific or medical point of view we should be interfering with the process if it's all. the world is driven by a dream shaped by one person if there is. no

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