britain is more about the corona virus vaccine and the us politicize that for you personally it is the politicization of democracy by the e.u. arguably that is a life or death matter just tell me what their removal of your immunity from prosecution means thank you very much for inviting me might clear a threat against one of the bases of her european democracy. which consists in the finding fundamental right human values that are a and when a member of european parliament. is politically prosecuted and the parliament found to be fan dimmy his immunity well that is a very bad time to share with the rest of the world and that is not in the frame of the repair rule of law. and anaheim's fact their moral authority are to be in union to teach others regions in the world. to protect human rights and to

mentor who was in front of such little research question made by an interesting. just very briefly take us through it because the spanish prosecutors want you to answer for the calling of a referendum on cattle and independence and then to belgium court decisions said the spanish courts didn't have the right to. take you to spain for trial is is that right well it wasn't 1st of all was a decision made by the german corps in this letter none but they said clearly they would be they refused to extradite me to spain as a guilty of $3000000.00 or sedition and and now the 3rd attempt by the spanish authorities announced in front of the bottom court but one colleague of us was leaving home we pass an exam to former qatar minister of culture. in that case the

belgian court be cycle regimes also extradition best moderate reasons. because there is a height release x.-plane violate. his right presumption of innocence so it's probably could be the same his regime in our case once belgian court. restart the pressure of your our expedition on us minus burning your heart. i mean i'll get my jewel case in a 2nd but to be clear what the e.u. has done means that for anyone in the e.u. if they are wanted by a nation state in the european union and the regional court says you will get a fair trial the e.u. will say no you still have to be extradited is that the result of this e.u. decision are they actually in practical terms there nothing has changed i continue

to be a member of your arm participating in hands as in me be. but not naturally there is now ability to be strong like misspend. which for sure i will have not a fair trial so that is something shameful for european institutions to have a clear proof that is a political persecution. made by a member state and to cooperate and to be accomplice of that could be a part of the persecution allowing the state to park prevent my mandate as elected by more than 1000000 people to reprise and the same idea as the spain are using poor persecuting us so it's something new for me i've been disappointing but there is not the last step of our high. i will continue in the

core european court of justice in luxembourg can you even imagine that if something like this happened in britain the nicholas sturgeon would be on the run and threatened with jail and extradition to britain of course it's different because of breck's it which complicates a bit i mean that that could theoretically happen to any you know hundreds of leaders it happened to them mislead is no absolutely not isn't believable not only in the case of the scottish scottish brussels opera bend and your individual cry of honduras or individual quebec canada are they done. unilateral referendum twice as happened no one know what sank to a criminal or what in prison like in spain from 9 to 13 years in jail are calling your friend at the gym believable. for that for my point of view

that it's more spin believable to use the behavior of european institutions in front of that editor not but violation of human rights that is very disappointing i suspect that. prospect in reaction around no line of authoritarian reaction but. my heart i feel you are up we all will say we will send a clear message. not in that way you must to show what we call conflicts you don't want to move you crack tools of the spanish reaction is is nuanced now pedre sanchez is in power and on on to that but some people with a longer historical memory might disagree and say this is europe as usual because as you know and maybe you can tell me i mean but catalonia means george orwell to people in britain and arguably world war 2 was created by european

powers not paying attention to catalonia you know your rights. on the other hand i am very happy to be a member of european because thanks to repeal rule of law here really as a free european citizen protected by different people and acting as a member of her grandpa and what wasn't possible to do if i. remain it in a spank because i was jailed. for. but for a while you were in jail in schleswig. what did it personally feel like to be a president in exile in a german prison well i was not the 1st time when the german police arrested the current president because one of my predecessors. was arrested miking 40

friends when he left along after the fall of arcelor because. he was arrested by german police who were sent to coordinate who he was executed by the fortunately protected and a change and after 12 days in a prison they decide to release me because the charge that spain has presented are not acceptable you know western democracy work what kind of crime is sin ition or 1000000000 so i was my country then we have an hour of good religion russian in my case because germany probably germany's against government person independent but at the time and germany's democracy so. far mean and form was already a thing of germany. was believable to acceptable occasion in a german prison secluded and supra primus hillary 1000000 or sedition that means

that sound from our 19th century your father says about it given your father and his dad was a spanish republican on the side of. but communists and and a guests. were in that cauldron that were the start of world war 2 now and my father dies in. one year ago my father was a young young guy when. she were stars and my grandfather my grandfather was an example to after the pole a car and he was intelligent. rouge come trans and he finally does appear in court these are the invasion of nazis in the french trees ohm out well i can tell you there is a. big. mystery fighter she's built

and there is one experience very interesting experience to fight. against all kind of who she's moved and him all cut down families the majority of these experiences. members or. fighting promise aisle from inside having troubles we can have that there are so it's not it's not the 1st guy generation who needs to go exactly or reason but our hope is to be the last one. except of course back in the thirty's we had george orwell we had brilliant writers hemingway writing about what was going on do they live on the lend do you think as a live under len knows that the mainstream media won't be covering what happens to gull joints and and that she she has heard of because it's going to go after the

man knows very well the wow history of europe. i think because she's it. but obviously european institutions are in the hands of the big states. and their interests are that states obviously georgia are all experiencing colonia soon the mental in order to understand or give the right after experiencing government not only. hikes took a toll on you but also. i'm not sure injured or. in and for understand exactly what to do europe you need to read or all and it's impossible to understand or without to know exactly what happened in catalonia the mission we want to share with the rest group eons we'll catalans we are not europe and our. crises

european crises because of that if you're going to modest. well examinate it whoa wait what. europe will matter right i don't want to sound like vox the fascist no fascist party would send to the catalan parliament but don't you think that there's more to it than just independence after the 2008 economic crisis as the chinese call it the western european crisis what your party represents what a left wing independent catalonia represents is a threat to you near liberalism that's why you must pay the price who are really could be crushed because it is some ways around missionary process but on our. own where we land in the hands of the people who are going

today the classical democracies. but in the other hand for our prime problem point of view that will enforce european democracy. because we believe in the from the minds of the foundation of european union after the 2nd to the 2nd world war are based on peace the dialogue of democracy respect for. diversity respect for several identities interact and that is exactly means the accountable who should become part of our independent exactly based window where. i can understand why some expressions of my brow democracy feel threatened by. such. kind of a revolution but unfortunately that is the core of them that is the sign of our time when there are always asian

a division revolution there is more over it thanks to knowledge thanks to access to information it's time to change the way that our managed democracy that for just a revolution will real provoke significant or huge change the way i what kind of state managed our and now isn't it dears a new attitude. just citizens much more power we have tools like these with a lot of our in our pockets no broadly some traditional states feels threatened by that new and powerful process. some of that could be heard in the words of petra sun just when he was speaking election in madrid coverage of our stop you there more from the gotland president in exile after this short break.

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ringing machines doing is a money machine is a huge cash register that is ran by people who don't care about people's lives being watched. welcome back i'm still here with the 130th president of the government of catalonia . why do you think could a more spirit. changing their view of catalan independence i mean these are not just you is it other people are paying the price of germany but already all you care us who care us where where is he right now of course right here your general was. 13 years in jail for organizing.

go wrong. but i don't understand your question. we must be one. he clearly is. the new spanish government in the coalition government socialist party and of the most bari has changed its model aren't now that strong nothing to do with her language or booker who are used by the former spanish prime minister who are parking money around. but that's all nothing has changed people remain in jail people remaining silent general pretty quick there is really getting i.d.'s coalition. that the coalition question now spank me yeah in terms of the ideals you speak of as as you said because sanchez seemed to say much warmer to you than previous balance politicians

under the right it seems you are using exactly word seems but it is not. because of . a change yes and they ask about the dialogue but in a very rhetorical way it's not a case where most i also wouldn't want to stress the race for them or seize clearly committed to political solution and to allow the possibility to call for our. writer and all our non-binding consultation about. that it's clear but unfortunately the vice president especially by president and leader of the mosque as resign 3 years ago 3 days ago so we loose one of the most powerful voices in the spanish cabinet for a political solution and the rest of the member of the cabinet. nearly socialist party are clearly against not only. russia's own southern nation

but even. a kind of amnesty and. shot at conflict so it seems it's not. the amnesty bill doesn't look like succeeding this week when it's not just the infamously institutional socialist body and brain it's also the progressive voices no one can say the marabouts the learned it aloud is not progressive why do you think you don't get much the. ward as much support as you might from a gallon was alone are if you look at the feeders of the latest town elections in barcelona you can see close parking. several the feet. of big defeat in brazil so that my arsenal is not really supported by a majority so he's vice and her voice doesn't explain the feel of the majority of

the people in barcelona probably. he's more and he. most worried about. of his fortune i'll read your future don. afghan president of the barcelona project. i'm sorry. yeah she says she's doing well but of course there is and i think she was asked about whether there were parallels with the season she said there weren't but but what do you make of the rise of vox in catalonia you might have to rebel our viewers around the world who they are this this is this looks like a frightening development to those on the progressive left surely well fact the far right where was where all is present in the current politics represented by the spanish policy are excuse our prosperity and are in

catalonia close to the strand right positions song is the rule is another new phenomenon but as a partner yes but there is a part of the times of. minority minorities are who will. share the symbol used vox and walk express. clearer than the others that a yes but if you look at the time parliament you can see the far right. he's representing. the union east ideologies of union east positions but no one far right. remember a couple and i remember handing the independent look at our it's very poor it was the far right are economically get along at least always defending the unity of spain and the wrong dependence. elected members are

always in the progress it's height of the catalan parliament so mark has collected that 100 angry mob of cattle on rush lives. peace. perished trying nationalists. people and indeed i am. some kind of not of g.-d. from the frankest there are frag of course supported by britain all through those ears i have to ask you this question seriously because allegations were made against you that you have been working with julian assange who according to the un is being tortured here in london and would snowden who has asylum in moscow for availing secrets of the us secret state and the russian army i don't know about russian soldiers being brought him to create an independent catalonia what did you

make of those allegations made by any you judge our lives. something you said is a joke but in the span you're really you would say that yazid. for meat and the novel happened jascha leave trust in that kind of fantasy obviously we. actually agree julian assange which absolutely no them and they fight for freedom and i personally has moved obloquy demanding the release of printed as much i can scream here and. at what. out that kind of connections sure release the connections. that these are narrow people knew that song

to go parties of people hours. mailing spangle not on a spam try to put on the agenda in order to be security to attack our. repudiation our credibility so if they can't fight you. in the field i guess they try to use that dark tool called nero's how you are trying the russians on our friend not that cream outre well if you look into the past there's nothing nothing some fantasy in order to attack our population we were spared spain is famous for serial or starve and culture of course but i mean it affects this this channel you're on now my my effective boss margarita simonyan name by the judge i

understand that you are working with her and thousands of troops were being prepared from russia to help you and i can tell you this. there is not one single fact losing go through your single invention of that and $81.00 usually adds $1000000.00 in a store yeah now if you only if you're. sitting on base do you think i will be. you know so it's something surrealistic. and i'm very far at 1st when i say days my smiling kind of for a joke it is. about and then i realized it was a construction of the fake reality in order to undermine our credibility is that the firmware i mean just from just from new york in the year of the judge or from other forces in. the state mistakenly spain and the deeper state the spanish

state the same as the franco era in the same good the team on the spanish king was in power right franco there was no one single referendum in spain of our lives of people who prefer one archie or republic and the jack most of them are part of the far far right party box in the media sponging here are the saying this and i'm sorry so it's quite normal in a bank to have state who are using. if you are against these events it's not new unfortunately we we know that what worked what was happening in the case of the country. for the gates are kate and you and i are and now we are doing the same catalonia constructional cases against

a leader political leader at b.c. eventually even lawyers my lawyer my lawyer is big him or a loafer process. believe all but he's a victim and he's in there. and you're trying out. link it by. dr who came catalans it around something absolutely incredible name not only a josh it's a part of the police i just these are some of the political power the part of the media at least spanish people state europe would say it is a cradle of democracy although of course i know you support the a lot of people supporting bragg sit here and in other nations would say the deep state has a hand in preventing a withdrawal from the european union what advice would you give now to your colleagues tony common glare upon society who are facing prison as well while we

are on the same team were hiking together. they are breaking. are some people. or just to be clear someone could i'm not sure there's no interpol notice as far as i know but someone could break down your door tomorrow and haul you back to spend on a no out plot and i mean remains as a member of european parliament. and the remains here who have no immunity from prosecution yes but we haven't immunity before reelected members are implemented but we fight. for our freedom. for us nothing has changed. growing we can be arrested if we. will go to another european country we'll continue. i think

with political tools doing our rice in europe and parliament denouncing the violation of human the right as a medic the stain or the whole european union and don't know they put us in jail we will fight against that. and you're prepared for a 13 year sentence as well as jail if there is not a tentative there in all option in my life. well until arrives if rights will fight that they are and our ones will be her narrative europe. president thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday to speak to a lawyer defending the rights of native americans for the survival of climate change threaten humanity and we go to yemen spritzes weapon sales continue to worsen the world's worst humanitarian crisis see that.

americans love buying homes. this was a fundamental part of how our political leadership and our country at large understood the bargain you get a hoe and then you know rebel right as the things you don't revolt if you have a stake in the system. be really interesting to dial it back and think about the longer deeper history what housings meant in the united states not just that old question of the american dream but the bigger question of who the dream is and for.

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