the coronavirus vaccine and have the us believe that for you personally it is the politicization of democracy by the e.u. arguably that is a life or death matter just tell me what their removal of your immunity from prosecution means well thank you very much for inviting me might create a threat against one of the bases of her european democracy. which consists in finding fundamental rights human believes that are are and when a member of european parliament. is politically prosecuted and the parliament found to be fan during his immunity well that is a very bad time to share with the rest of the world and that is not in the frame of the repair rule of law. and that undermines their moral authority to be in union to teach others regions in the world. to protect human rights and

human to who is in front of such ridiculous a question made by an interesting just very briefly take us through it because the spanish prosecutors want you to answer for the calling of a referendum on cattle and independence and then to belgium court decisions said the spanish courts didn't have the right to. take you to spain for trial is is that right well it wasn't 1st of all was that decision made by the german court in this letter. that they said clearly they would be they refused to extradite me to spain as a guilty of $3000000.00 or sedition and and now the 3rd attempt by the spanish authorities announced in front of the bottom court one colleague of us was leaving home. to former qatar minister of culture. in that case the belgian

corps beside 2 regimes also extradition based moderate reasons. because there is a high release that spain violate. he's right reasons of innocence so it's probably could be the same who's losing our case once belgian court. reached restart the pressure of your hour extradition room as mine is burning your heart. i mean i'll get my jewel case in a 2nd but to be clear what the e.u. has done means that for anyone in the e.u. if they are wanted by a nation state in the european union and the regional court says you will get a fair trial the e.u. will say no you still have to be extradited is that the result of this e.u. decision are they actually in practical terms there nothing has changed i continue

to be a member of your parliament. participating in hands as in me be. but not naturally there is now civility to be extra like misspend. which for sure i will have not a fair trial so that is something shameful for european institutions to have a clear proof that it is a political persecution. made by a member state and to cooperate and to be accomplice of that could be a part of the persecution allowing the state to park prevent my mandate as elected by more than 1000000 people to represent the same idea as spain and using poor person pretty much so it's something new for me at very disappointing but there is not the last step of our high. i will continue in the

court of european court of justice in luxembourg can you even imagine that if something like this happened in britain the nicholas sturgeon would be on the run and threatened with jail and extradition to britain of course it's different because of breck's it which complicates a bit i mean that that could theoretically happen to any you know hundreds leader and it happened to them mislead is no no absolutely not isn't believable not only in the case of the scottish scottish friend and your individual cry of honduras or individual quebec canada are they done unilateral referendum twice. and haven't no one was sent to criminal court but in prison like in spain from 9 to 13 years in jail for calling a friend that isn't believable. for that for my point of view that it's more skin

blue or to use the behavior of european institutions in front of that added or not but violation of human rights that is very disappointing i expect that. prospect in reaction around the line of authoritarian reaction but. my i still you know will say send a clear message. not in that way you must to show what people comics you want to move you crack tools other spanish reaction is is nuanced now pedre sanchez is in power and on on to that but some people with a longer historical memory might disagree and say this is europe as usual because as you know and maybe you can tell me i mean but catalonia means george orwell to people in britain and arguably world war 2 was created by european

powers not paying attention to catalonia. joe writes. on the other hand i i must say i'm very happy to be a member of european because thanks to repeal rule of law our reading is a free europeans it isn't protected by the repeal oh and acting as a member here around parliament which was impossible to do if i. remain it in a spain because i was jailed. for but for a while you were in jail in schleswig. what did it personally feel like to be a president in exile in a german prison where was not the 1st time when the german police arrested the current president because one of my predecessors which. was arrested right in 40 friends when he left along after the fall of arcelor because.

he was arrested by german police who were central government who he was executive but fortunately protected and ice changed and after 12 days in a prison they decide to release me because the charge that spain has presented are not acceptable you know western democracy work what kind of crime is sedition or 1000000000 so i was going to come for them we have an hour of good for lucian in my case because germany probably germany is against government never been but at the time and germany is a democracy so. far mean and form was already a thing of german people our it was in believable to acceptable occasion in a german prison secluded and supra primus hillary 1000000 or sedition that means

that sounds from our 19th century. your father says about it given your father and his dad was a spanish republican on the side of. the communists and of guests there were in that cauldron that were the start of world war 2 now i am my father dies in. one year ago my father was a young young guy when. she were 1st my grandfather my grandfather was an example to after the pole a car you know and he was interned in the. regime come trans and he finally disappear in poor piece of invasion of nazis in the french treaties ome i well i can tell you there is a. big. history. fi cushy schools

and there is a experience very interesting experience to fight. against all kind of her she's moved and him all cut on families which are out of these experiences. memories or at least. fighting promise aisle from inside having troubles that are so it's not it's not the 1st guy generation who needs to go examine or reason but our hope is to be the last one. except of course back in the thirty's we had george orwell we had brilliant writers hemingway writing about what was going on do they live on can lend giving us a live under len knows that the mainstream media won't be covering what happens to go toward joints and and that she she has heard of because is going to go after the

man knows very well the wow history of europe. i think because she's it. but obviously european institutions are in the hands of the big states. in the interests of that states obviously georgia are all experiencing get along or soon the mental in order to understand or give the right after he's experiencing government not only days of hikes took a toll on you but also. i'm not sure injured or. in and for understand exactly what to do europe you need to read or all and it's impossible to understand or without to know exactly what happened in catalonia the mission we want to share with the rest be appearance we'll catalans we are going to europe and our. crises

european crises because the european democracy. is well examinate a whole new wave what. a europe will matter right i don't want to sound like vox the fascist no fascist party would send to the catalan parliament but don't you think that there's more to it than just independence after the 2008 economic crisis as the chinese call it the western european crisis what your party represents what a left wing independent catalonia represents is a threat to you neo liberalism that's why you must pay the price who are early could be that process because it is some ways a rouge in our process but on our. own where we land in the hands of the people who are going today the classical democracies. but in the other

hand for our prime point of view that who will enforce european democracy. because we believe in the from the men's of the probation of european union after the 2nd to the 2nd world war are based on peace dialogue box receive respect for. diversity and respect for sorrow identities interact and that is exactly the contribution the congress or independent exactly based in the hair. i can understand why some expressions of my brow democracy feel threatened by. such. kind of a revolution and i don't fortunately that is part of them that is the sign of our time when there are always action and of the the revolution there is more and

more it thanks to knowledge thanks to access to information and it's time to change the way that our managed democracy that for just a revolution will real cripple significant a huge change in the way we what kind of state managed our and now isn't it dear to me whatever. just citizens. more power tools like these with a lot of our in our pockets so broadly some traditional states feels threatened by that new and powerful process. some of that could be heard in the words of pederast son jesse when he was seeking election in madrid coverage of all stoppie there more from the gotland president in exile after this short break.

americans love. this was a fundamental part of how our political leadership and our country at large understood the bargain you get a hope and then you know rebel right as the things you don't revolt if you have a stake in the system. and think about the longer deeper history. in the united states not just. the american dream but the bigger question of who the dream is for.

welcome back i'm still here with a 138th president of the government of gaza loney a culprit of all why do you think could a more spear sowing and changing their view of catalan independence i mean these

are not just you is it other people are paying the price of derby but already all you care us who care as. well where is he right now of course right here you're always in jail where he was condemned. 13 years in jail for organizing my government. but i understand your question wrong we must be i want to be clear it is. the new spanish government in the coalition government socialist party and the most party. change its mockable aren't that strong nothing to do with the language of the corollary used by the former spanish prime minister parking money around. but that's all nothing has changed in the remaining jam in the remaining so i am generally pretty quick there is really getting i.d.'s coalition.

well that the coalition and the coalition now spanking me yeah in terms of the ideals you speak of as as you said because the answers seem to say much warmer to you than previous balash politicians under the right it seems you are using exactly word seems but it is not. because of. a change yes and they ask about iraq but in a very rhetorical way it's not a case where most i also wouldn't want to stress this but the most is clearly committed to political solution and to allow the possibility to call for our. writer and or non-binding consultation rather along that it's clear but unfortunately vice president especially by president and leader of the mosque as resign 3 years ago 3 these ago so we loose one of the most powerful voices in the

spanish cabinet 5 or a political solution and the rest of the member of the cabinet. nearly socialist party are clearly against not only. russians or southern asian but even. a kind of honest people that are shot at conflict so it seems it's not. the amnesty bill doesn't look like succeeding in this week when it's not just the infamously institutional socialist party in sway it's also the progressive voices no one can say that the marabouts a learned it allows is not progressive why do you think you don't get much of. towards as much support as you might from a gallon by us alone i leave you a look at the feeders of the latest town elections in barcelona you can see close

parking. several the feet. of bigotry in brazil so that my arsenal is not really supported by a majority so he's vice in her voice doesn't explain the feel of the majority of the people of barcelona probably. he's more and he. must worry about. of his fortune all with your future don't. count on project of the barcelona project. and i'm sorry. yes you have she says she's doing well but of course there is and i think she was asked about whether there were parallels with the season she said there weren't but but what do you make of the rise of vox in catalonia you might have to rebel our viewers around the world who they are this this is this looks like a frightening development to those on the progressive left surely well

a fact there are far right where was where always present in the current politics represented by the spanish policy are it's our prosperity. are in catalonia close to strand right zeeshan song is the rule is another new phenomenon but as a part of yes but there is a part of the times of. minority minority are who will. share the same bill hughes was vox and not as expressed. clear that the other are so that a yes but if you look at the time parliament you can see the far right eye. he's representing. the union east ideologies of union east positioned but no one far right. member of our own parliament pending the independence of power

is very poor where the far right are a canonical idea used always defending the unity of spain. and pride and and. elected members are always in the privacy site lot of cattlemen parliament top marks has collected that 100 angry markup on process. piece very strong nationalists. people and indeed i am. some kind of nostalgie from the frank oz there are frag of course supported by britain all through those ears i have to ask you this question seriously because allegations were made against you that you have been working with julian assange

who according to the un is being tortured here in london and would snowden who has asylum in moscow for availing secrets of the us secret state and the russian army i don't know about russian soldiers being brought in to create an independent catalonia what did you make of those allegations made by any you judge our lives. something you said is a joke but in the span you're it's there you would say that yazid. for meat and renewable and jascha leaves tracking that kind of fantasy obviously we. actually agree julian assange which absolutely no them and they fight for freedom and i personally has moved a publicly demanding the release of international munch i could scream here.

at what's best. about that kind of connections sure release the connections. well that these are nora people frank knew that song only go parties of people hours. melanin spangle not on a spending try to put on the agenda in order to be security to attack our. reputation our credibility so if they can't fight you. in the field i guess they try to use that dark tool called nero's how you are trying the russians on who are friend of that cream outre well if you look into the. nothing nothing some fantasy in order to attack our probation we were spared spain is famous for

serial or starve and culture of course but i mean it affects this this channel you're on now my my effective boss margarita simonyan name by the judge i understand that you are working with her and thousands of troops were being prepared from russia to help you carry this debate. there is not one single fact losing your proof or your single invention of that and $81000000.00 eggs $1000000.00 was yeah now if you are if your. thing on this do you think i will be. you know so it's something surrealistic. and i'm very far at 1st when i say days my smiling i know for a joke it is about and then i realized it was

a construction of the frank reality in order to undermine our credibility is that the firmware i mean just from just from new york in the year of the judge or from other forces in. the state because they can explain and the deeper state the spanish state the same as the franc or in the same good the team on the spanish king was in power right franco there was no one single referendum in spain about going to people prefer one archie or republic and the josh most of them are part of the far far right party box in the media expansion here are the same the sense of right so it's quite normal. to have deep state who are using their view of the war against these events it's not new unfortunately we we know that but what happened in the case of the basque country. for me

kate or kate and you and i am and now we are doing the same catalonia constructional cases against a leader of politically very busy vengeful human lawyers my lawyer my lawyer is big him or a loafer process. believe all but he's a victim and he's in there. and you're trying out. link it by watching. from. dr who came catalans it around something absolutely incredible name not only a josh it's a part of the police are just these are some of the political power the part of the media at least spanish people state europe would say it is a cradle of democracy although of course i know you support the

a lot of people supporting breck's it here and in other nations would say the deep state has a hand in preventing a withdrawal from the european union what advice would you give now to your colleagues tony common glare upon society who are facing prison as well while we are on the same team were hiking together. they are breaking. for some people. or just to be clear someone could i'm not sure there's no interpol notice as far as i know but someone could break down your door tomorrow and haul you back to spend on a no out plot and i mean remains as a member of european parliament. and the remains here you have no immunity from prosecution yes but we haven't immunity before reelected members are implemented but we fight. for our freedom. for us

nothing has changed. wrongly we can be arrested if we. go to another european country we will continue. i think with political tools using our minds in european parliament you know my emotional commitment to rights as a medic restraint or the whole european union until. the last in jail we will fight against that. and you're prepared for 13 years sentencing as well as jail if there is no alternative there is no option in my life. well until i am right even right we will fight very hard and our ones will be her nowhere of europe or the president thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday to speak to a lawyer defending the rights of native americans from the survival of climate

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