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you want to a special edition of going on the ground focusing on democracy in europe as in the u.k. boris johnson indicates he'll veto a referendum on scottish independence that would break up the united kingdom the e.u. has arguably been threatening democracy itself after a german prison the man once you've got to learn here in spain regards as its president as it is immunity from prosecution for calling a river endemol independence revokes called wisdom or joins me now from brussels thanks so much president for coming on the show the politicization of life and death here in britain is more about the corona virus vaccine and how the e.u. is politicized that for you personally it is the politicization of democracy by the e.u. arguably this is

a life or death matter just tell me what their removal of your immunity from prosecution means well thank you very much for inviting me. right. against one of the bases of her european democracy. finding from the want all right human believes that era and when a member of european parliament. is politically prosecuted and the parliament found to be fan doing his immunity well that is a very bad time to share with the rest of the world and that is not in the frame of the repair rule of law. and other nominees find out their moral authority to be in union to teach others regions in the world. to protect human rights and human to who was in front of such little risk of question made by an interesting just very briefly take us through it because the spanish prosecutors want you to

answer for the calling of a referendum on cattle and independence and then to belgium court decisions said the spanish courts didn't have the right to. take you to spain for trial is is that right well it wasn't 1st of all was our decision made by the german court in this letter none but they said clearly they would be they refused to extradite me to spain as a guilty of 3000000 or sedition and and now the 3rd attempt by the spanish authorities announced in front of the bottom court but one colleague of us was leaving home. to former qatar minister of culture. in that case the belgian court be cycle regimes also extradition best moderate reasons.

because there is a height release x.-plane violate. his right presumption of innocence. so it's probably could be the same musician in our case once belgian court. restart the rush of your hour extradition on us minus bernie. i mean i'll get my jewel case in a 2nd but to be clear what the e.u. has done means that for anyone in the e.u. if they are wanted by a nation state in the european union in a regional court says you will get a fair trial the e.u. will say no you still have to be extradited is that the result of this e.u. decision are they actually in practical terms there nothing has changed i continue to be a member of your arm participating in hands as in me be. but

not naturally there is now civility to be extra like misspend. which for sure i will have not a fair trial so that is something shameful for european institutions to have a clear proof that is a political persecution. made by a member state and to cooperate and to be accomplice of that could be a part of the persecution allowing the state to park prevent my mandate as elected by more than 1000000 people to represent the same idea as spain and using poor person giving us so it's something new for me at any disappointing but there is not the last step of our high. i will continue in the core of european court of justice in luxembourg can you even imagine that if something like this happened in britain the nicholas sturgeon would be on the run

and threatened with jail and extradition to britain of course it's different because of breck's it which complicates a bit i mean that that could theoretically happen to any you know hundreds leader and it happened to them mislead is no absolutely not isn't believable not only in the case of the scottish scottish brussels opera brendan's going to gauge of pride of honduras or individual quebec canada are they done unilateral referendum twice. happen no one was sent to criminal court but in prison like in spain from 9 to 13 years in jail for calling a friend that isn't believable. for that for my point of view that it's more simply want to use the behavior of european institutions in front of that editor not but

violation of a moment of light that is very disappointing i suspect that. prospect in reaction. nor mine of authoritarian reaction but. my heart i feel you are all we know will say we will send a clear message. not in that way you must to show what we call conflicts you don't want to move you crack tools of the spanish reaction is is nuanced now pedre sanchez is in power and on on to that but some people with longer historical memory might disagree and say this is europe as usual because as you know and maybe you can tell me i mean but catalonia means george orwell to people in britain and arguably world war 2 was created by european powers not paying attention to catalonia joe writes. in the other hand i

am very happy to be a member of european because thanks to repeal a rule of law here meaning the free european cities are protected by different people and acting as a member of her grandpa and what wasn't possible to do if i. remain it spain because i was jailed. for. but for a while you were in jail injured as a girl. what did it personally feel like to be a president in exile in a german prison well not the 1st time when the german police arrested the current president because one of my predecessors which. was arrested right in 40 friends when he left along after the fall of arcelor because. he was arrested by german police who were sent to coordinate who he was executed by

the fortunately protected and a change and after 12 2 days in a prison they decide to release me because the charge that spain has presented are not acceptable you know western democracy work what kind of crime is sin ition or a 1000000000 so i was my country then we have an hour of good religion russian in my case because germany probably germany is against government should never been but at the time and germany is a democracy so. far mean and form was already a thing of german people was in believable to acceptable occasion in a german prison secluded and supra primus hillary 1000000 or solution that means that sound from our 19th century. your father says about it given your father and

his dad was a spanish republican on the side of. the communists and of guests there were in that cauldron that were the start of world war 2 now i am my father dies in. one here ago my father was a young young guy when. she were 1st my grandfather my grandfather was to after the poll a car owner and he was intelligent. come trans and he finally does appear in court please don't invasion of nazis in their friendship trees ome on our well i can tell you there is a. big. history. fight. and there is one experience very interesting experience to fight. against all kind of her she's moved and all cut on families which are out of these

experiences. memories or. fighting promise aisle from inside having troubles because there are so it's not it's not the 1st guy generation who needs to go examine or reason but our hope is to be the last one. except of course back in the thirty's we had george orwell we had brilliant writers hemingway writing about what was going on do they live on can lend giving us a live under len knows that the mainstream media won't be covering what happens to gull joints and and that she she has heard of because is going to go after the man knows very well the wow history of europe. i think because she's it. but obviously european institutions

are in the hands of the big states. and their interests are at states obviously georgia are all experiencing the wrong or soon the mental in order to understand or give the right after he's experiencing government not only of heights took a toll on you but also. i'm not sure injured or. in and for understand exactly what to do europe you need to read or all and it's impossible to understand or without to know exactly what happened in catalonia the mission we want to share with the rest be appearance we'll catalans we are going to europe and our. crises european crises because the good you're going to modest. is easy well examinate

a hole in the way what. europe will matter right i don't want to sound like vox the fascist no fascist party would send to the catalan parliament but don't you think that there's more to it than just independence after the 2008 economic crisis as the chinese call it the western european crisis what your party represents what a left wing independent catalonia represents is a threat to you neo liberalism that's why you must pay the price who are really could be that process because it is some ways a rouge process but on our. own where we land in the hands of the people who are going today the classical democracies. but in the other hand for our prime problem point of view that will enforce european democracy.

because we believe in the from the minds of the predation of european union after the 2nd to the 2nd world war are based on peace dialogue box receive respect for. diversity and respect for sorrow identities interact and that is exactly is the contribution the congress or independent exactly based in the hair. i can understand why some expressions of my brow democracy feel threatened by. such. kind of a revolution but unfortunately that is for them that is the sign of our time when there are not always action a division revolution. is more over it thanks to knowledge thanks to access to information it's time to change the way that our managed

democracy that for just a revolution will real. significant or huge change the way we what kind of state managed our and now isn't it dear to me whatever. just citizens muchmore power we've got tools like these with a lot of our in our pockets from broadly some traditional states feels threatened by that new and powerful process. some of that could be heard in the words of petra sanchez when he was seeking election in madrid coverage of all stopping that more from the gotland president in exile after this short break.

but rather the stand in her life and that of. our all over all on what has. been a good honor our live coverage of our rather you know that our orthodontic here that are. only allowed to padraic. in there you can manage it can. i have flew to china for truffle that and. make them. work. on hi michelle the downside of that. the only ally that i don't. get this whole full push push for gun the i knew where you're from and hey i think

the term interior. british. civil. law for that live in africa will fuck around with mr hate for a gentleman and lawyer for hope that after him in your court. welcome back i'm still here with a 130 as president of the government of god alone you're called which of all why do you think could a more spears and changing their view of catalan independence i mean these are not just you is it other people are paying the price of germany but already all you care us who care as well where is he right now unfortunately are you always in general was he was condemned still being. so in their years in jam organizing. government referendum but i don't understand your question when

we must be and want to be clear in the. new spanish government in the coalition government socialist barking and the most party. change each mockable aren't now that strong nothing to do with the language of the contrary used by former spanish prime minister. barking monument to. but that's all nothing has changed people remained in jail in the remaining silent general prosecutor is really getting i.d.'s coalition. well that the coalition question now spank me yeah in terms of the ideals you speak of as as you said because. to say much warmer to you than previous balance politicians under the right it seems your you are use exactly word seems but it is not. because of.

a change yes and they ask about dialogue but in a very rhetorical way it's not a case where most i also wouldn't want to stress this but the most is clearly committed to political solution and to allow the possibility to call for our. router and all our non-binding consultation of other people on that it's clear but unfortunately the vice president especially by president and leader of the mosque as resign 3 years ago 3 these ago so we loose one of the most powerful voices in the spanish cabinet 5 or a political solution and the rest of the member of the cabinet. nearly socialist party are clearly against not only. russians will have a termination but even. a kind of amnesty and. shot

at conflicts so it seems like it is not. the amnesty bill doesn't look like succeeding this week when it's not just the infamously institutional socialist body and brain it's also the progressive voices no one can say that the marabouts the learned it allowed is not progressive why do you think you don't get much the. ward as much support as you might from a gallon was alone i'll give you a look at the feeders of the latest cut on the actions in barcelona you can see the car sparking. several repeat. a big defeat in brazil so that my arsenal is not really supported by a majority so he's vice in her voice doesn't explain the feel of the majority of the people in barcelona probably. he's more and he. most

worried about. of his fortune along with your future don. can project of the worst on a project. i'm sorry. yeah yeah i mean she says she's doing well but of course there is and i think she was asked about whether there were parallels with the season she said there weren't but but what do you make of the rise of vox in catalonia you might have to rebel our viewers around the world who they are this this is this looks like a frightening development to those on the progressive left surely well a fact they're far right where was where all is present in the current politics represented by the spanish policy are it's our prosperity. are in catalonia close to the strand right zeeshan song is the rule is another new phenomenon but as a part yes but there is

a part of the time society. minority minority are who will. share the scene will use vox and walk express. clearer than the other arced that a yes but if you look at the time parliament you can see the far right. he's representing. the union east ideologies union east positions but no one far right. remember up on parliament pending the independence of our is very important one of the far right are a canonical idea used always defending the unity of spain. and pride and and. elected members are always in the privacy site lot of cattlemen parliament top marks has collected that

100 angry mark on process. piece very strong nationalists. people and indeed i am. some kind of not of g. from the frankest era frag of course supported by britain all through those ears i have to ask you this question seriously because allegations were made against you that you have been working with julian assange who according to the un is being tortured here in london and would snowden who has asylum in moscow for availing secrets of the us secret state and the russian army i don't know about russian soldiers being brought him to create an independent catalonia what did you make of those allegations made by any you judge i had. something

you said is a joke but in the span you're really you would say that yazid. for meat and lable and jascha leaves trust in that kind of fantasy obviously we. actually agree julian assange which absolutely know them and they fight for freedom and i personally has moved republican leader mending to release or international runge i could scream here. at what. about that kind of connections sure release the connections. well that these are narrow people knew that song political parties were people hours. mailing spangle not on a spending try to put on the agenda in order to be security to attack

our. repudiation our credibility so if they can't fight you. in the field of idea x. may try to use that dark tool nearest how you are trying the russians on who are friend of that cream outre well if you look into the past there is nothing nothing some fantasy in order to attack our probation we were spared spain is famous for serial or starve and culture of course but i mean it affects this this channel you're on now my my effective boss margarita simonyan name by the judge i understand that you are working with her and thousands of troops were being prepared from russia to help you carry this debate.

there is not one single fact losing your group or single in danger of that and $81000000.00 eggs $1000000.00 in a store yeah now if you are if your. thing on this do you think i will be. you know so it's something surrealistic. and i'm very far at 1st when i say days my smiling well i know for a joke it is. bad and then i realize it was a construction of the fake reality in order to undermine our credibility is that the firmware i mean just from just from new york in the year of the judge or from other forces in. the state mistakenly spain and a deeper state a spanish state the same as the franco era in the same good the team

on the spanish king was. in power right franco there was no one single referendum in spain about into people prefer a minor she or a republic and a josh most of them are part of the far far right party box in the media expansion here are the saying this and i'm sorry so it's quite normal. to have the state who are using. you are against these events it's not new unfortunately we we know that what worked what was happening in the case of the basque country. for mccain's or kate and you and i am and now we are doing the same catalonia constructional cases against a leader of politically very busy vengeful human lawyers my lawyer my lawyer is big name or a loafer process. believe all but he's

a victim and he's in there. and your trial. link of by. dr who came catalans it around something absolutely incredible name not only a josh it's a part of the police are just these are some of the critical our the part of the media at spanish people state europe would say it is a cradle of democracy although of course i know you support the a lot of people supporting bragg sit here and in other nations would say the deep state has a hand in preventing a withdrawal from the european union what advice would you give now to your colleagues tony common glare upon society who are facing prison as well what we are on the same team were hiking together. they are breaking. are some people.

or just to be clear someone could i'm not sure there's no interpol notice as far as i know but someone could break down your door tomorrow and haul you back to spend one hour no outlet and i mean remains as a member of european parliament. and the remains here you have no immunity from prosecution yes but we haven't immunity before reelected members are implemented but we fight. for our freedom. for us nothing has changed. probably we can be arrested if we. go to another european country we'll continue. i think now we're going to go to our mines in european parliament denouncing my emotional commitment to right as a medic restraint or the whole european union until. the last in jail we will fight

against that. and you're prepared for a 13 year sentence and as well as jail if there is no alternative there is no option in my life. well until i right if rice will fight very hard and our ones will be her narrative europe former president thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday to speak to a lawyer defending the rights of native americans from the survival of climate change threaten humanity and we go to yemen the british weapon sales continue to worsen the world's worst humanitarian crisis see that.