in addition to going underground as opening arguments start today in the george floyd trial in minneapolis almost a year after a killing that catalyzed violent uprisings or around the world some argue they have been even more significant than those in the 1960 s. when civil rights marches led to assassinations of icons like martin luther king jr and malcolm x. in part 2 of the speaking to avengers endgame hollywood actor frank grillo about his post coven 1000 politics in cinema but 1st joining me now from new york is the co-founder of the black lives matter greater new york chapter who knew some work thanks so much for coming on to these opening arguments today why is the case this so important given centuries you have a taking they did have pain for people of color in the americas. well this is where the rubber meets the more room everyone across the world saw the george floyd chile everybody experience there saying everybody it's the size with black people in that

moment i guess right now is the true test of the american justice system we know that it's been biased we know that it's based on racism and now is the time to show if we progress or not as progress been made welcome we saw the service go to jail it's great corporations say we love life people it's good that politicians say we're going to stand by black people but if the area. is a bit of murder any proceedings there will i mean everything remains the same nothing is changed all or all of the riots all the tears all the pain not the shades the america is still the same race is placed it's always been this is a true test. now i don't want to litigate it right now but i mean we can think of how drove ins lawyers are going to be arguing the case already prejudiced

$27000000.00 settlement between minutes so during the family i mean he was on drugs found in the american amphetamine and and if it was a fixation then he had coronavirus. well let's see about 8 years i don't law school let me go to my lawyer right oh oh. there was molise use intent there you have a man who is screaming for help saying that i can't breathe this past the point of resisting you have spectators saying please stop please help him he can't breathe and that individual continues to place pressure on his black one is sort of a struct in his airways even after all of these cries for help were made there was a complete indifference to your source of life and that's

extremely problematic if he was on drugs if he was suffering from some sort of cygnus in that office or in any civilised society you have the duty to get that person help that officer should have had the training that would have taught him to to disengage if somebody is in medical distress but you didn't see that that was or ignored common sense he ignored his civic duty he ignored the old date he took to the state of minnesota and. into de. into the constitution of united states of america he ignored all of that in continue with an action because someone sticks there was malice there one minute too many 3 minutes ok it's a little shaky but you should've got off the net time 6 minutes 7 minutes you're overdoing it it's time to disengage but not minutes of pressure on

a person who can't believe that is that is malicious intent is never cut and dry when it comes down to police killing black people and i could take you back through the history of policing in america they started after slavery as a fugitive slave troll in every realistic piece of research that you'll find will show you that policing in. is fundamentally flawed and has been released has been racist since its inception where is the honor in replacing him police and you can't find a police station across anywhere in america he doesn't have work on for somewhere in the honorable thing to do would be for derek show going to say i killed this man i'm sorry i threw myself on a mercy of the court but no he won't do that if you will not do that he will get up on that stand in line if they put him on the stand other officers will lie to protect themselves and protect him and it will be

a farce when if there were still there was any honor in policing this me i would say i did it and i'm sorry and that would be the end of the story we'd be able to move past this with him serving jail sins but that's not the world we live in well as you know any malicious attent will be denied and perhaps there will be some emphasis on the fact that that alone the coronavirus they found fentanyl a metal unfasten in his body does that something convenient about that in terms of black tropes about drugs and narcotics in the united states well. drugs are a sickness. drug use is a sickness it's an addiction. it's commonly found in impoverished people it's found in people who suffer from mental health drug use is common in black communities and white communities it's just pressing so fine of poor people of color person was

on drugs shouldn't be a surprise to anyone and i'll let you know that we work with the governor called post office now entrenched in where are much in mire governor cuomo we were in his office shortly after george floyd dirt george floyd murder to pass the andrew pierce act and who care for the man who was set in the back of a police car in scream for help a 17 minute yes for medical assistance 70 times in an officer let him die we just passed legislation in new york to address this it is this is either wait you look at this there was a dereliction of duty it led to someone's death you will or the series there of the officer should attempt at laying on his shoulder and say you know take it easy on him you seen essence of your choice using always or doing things they weren't supposed to do and other officers intervene and say hey take it easy why wasn't

president people always talk about good police we're always the good police when george 4 was killed we're the good believe wing eric garner was killed why wasn't it anyone who intervened to save a life i mean is it is it is the as you are and his mission that it is institutional i should say that though andrew cuomo denies the sexual harassment allegations and then your involvement some kind of initiative also in new york about getting a police justice absolutely we have a very strategic form of activism we fight in history still a lot of protests but we also fighting the whole. justice you know in the last 5 years since our inception we've passed 5 pieces of legislation there's a bill being introduced in new york city council call the power act basically here in new york will have the lease officer receive receives a complaint from

a civilian that goes to the civilian complaint review board however the members of this war are appointed by the mayor the politicians and the police commissioner 60 percent of the times when they found that there was a wrongdoing in it elevated it to the highest level of education which is the police commissioner 60 percent of the time the police commissioner say that there was no wrongdoing there is no power in this organization so what we've been advocating for is are so let that civilian complaint war where people were in 30 seats they don't receive money is well i'm sorry but they run in district in districts for the seat and by giving this power to the people to evaluate these cases in taking the power from the government we feel as though we'll be one step closer to justice and one step closer to the abolition of police policy numerous supreme court judgment that actually they are independent these are different board

just by being appointed in the way that they you suggest i've got i've got to ask given that these are problems faced in many countries countries that may be condemning ones having him in but you know thousands of our engine in the teenage on protests in france we have a huge debate here over racism in the police force and sexism in the police was ironic that it's joe biden presiding over all these initiatives all these trials like the one today given that he is one of the architects of mass incarceration condemned to right around the world who he looks like the deliberate attempt to incarcerate people of color in the united states millions of them this country was founded on racism. it will run on this capitalist engine and at the bottom of that has to be some poor group that is filtering money to the rich and before groups mostly chart a majority of them are black people so america's in genius in coming up with new

ways to oppress black people which leads us to joe biden a lot of people with think just because we are very left leaning in our views there we love the democratic party i don't see that much writ difference between the democrats and the republicans they are both prostitutes of sorts to the rich into corporations and impose the will of corporations on the people and not the will of the people so you have joe biden who talked about black man to matter so much on the campaign trail but hasn't spoken to a victim of black of police violence since he was inaugurated there's been other cases they have been people who are dying in jail they have been people who were murdered brutalized by the police in a don't address them so it's all an act of sorts right to manipulate minds of the

american public i mean by also i mean when i'm talking about how dumb is he by the bombed syria people of color bombed with a usa weapons within days are taking office i want to hand just to finally about your piece office's initiative launching on the day all the mudda all the killing of george floyd on the 25th the may seem to sink you sink you so much we are launched an initiative called black ops where we're pretty much saying we've given up on the government and we're going to launch sites and initially and houston and the bronx followed by lance where we are wrecked sites that teach our people about health. book of the number one killers of black people is what we put in amalfi. in our you know heart disease diabetes education we black lives matter even york have open the montessori school in the bronx and of course the issue districts in a country we're going to educate people on their proper history that goes beyond

slavery that goes back to africa where black folks created arithmetic mean don't we all an engine in cheek egypt we really want to build something it's beautiful that's how does it have been when americans do that black americans do that white supremacists come in tear those things down and in addition people like us they tend to try to kill so i want to make sure that my team knows how to use weapons no self sensory to protect themself and leslie black economics black people have one trillion dollar spending power and our dollars circulate in aa communities at the lowest rate of any other community you talking about jewish people jewish communities asian whatever so we want to teach black people how to do business with each other i believe that we can grow independent of the government i am not a big proponent of people being on welfare for generations i think that people

should be taught to fish that way today they can feed themselves and i'm fat in their families so this is something that's a blessing it's a natural progression of the backlash mad a movement we've done a lot of work in waking up the world but now it's time to go into our communities and improve the lives of up people and not wait for the government to help us with anything because we know that this government does not care about black people i don't care if donald trump is in office i don't care bill clinton is in office i don't care if joe biden is in office and i say leslie about law and politics i've been a political consultant for 15 years we were the 1st group to endorse alexander. courtships we're well versed in politics we know how to break it up any we want to teach people how to do it we also want to teach our people about the law you may change the supreme court earlier in a lot of people saying to the supreme court is a string to black people but i sure you cases at

a rate that are maybe 5 or 10 to one with the. supreme court during st it just outright racist behavior so we want to raise lawyers we want to raise our old politicians we want to just keep things in the house like they were before desegregation i want something this is not the great anyone else wants who last year people knew some thank you after the break we'll be speaking to the avengers endgame in the great actor frank grillo about the rise of political cinema in the wake of covered 19. elder look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. i robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law show your identification we should be very careful about

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35 closer to how. much was your more i think were part of the thirst for. welcome back today marks another step on the u.k. so-called road map out of corona virus lock down 6 months to the day that global covered 1000 deaths reached 1000000 ofter a year that looked like a dystopian only wood film could commercial cinema amounting to a golden age though of less commercial more political analytical cinema going underground deputy editor charlie cook caught up with a vengeance end game and the great actor frank grillo whose new project deals with the crisis of u.s. health care we're going to. keep it fresh on a friday. since 2008 every health care provider needs to cover substance abuse

treatment this is what we treat street. frank thanks so much for coming on the start to start by telling me about your new film body brick data brokers is a true story. based on. this scam that that in the eighty's and ninety's and the 2 thousands in the in there we have industry where people go out and find. attics and solicit them and then recruit them and then watch the insurance companies. through these people and they were called by us and actually my father was. a victim of that my father gunter we had in the late ninety's and. they found him in new york they put him on and the 1st class flight to san diego in san diego from the airport they took him a little easy to

a facility he was there for 90 days and what i learned is it was about $1500000.00 charge to the insurance company. of which me the $60000.00 was legit so did the movies based on on this whole scam that went on in this business for a long time they got a treatment you get a kick back and they get a piece. that it. is capitalism the film centers around the affordable care act and on your car it's a kind of book and the movie is that how do you research the film by looking into your father's experience or did you research kind of the more and the intricacies of it you know the reality is i didn't really i really didn't understand what we were all we would always go like what was that about how did how did daddy get to san diego on a 1st class flight like even my mother's insurance she's a school teacher and we never knew never figured it out and that's how i learned

what it was because san diego was one of the main hopes of the whole thing. and so i love the story i love john's one of the director i thought it was you know a great piece of material and i got to play like a bad 20 rockets it's not easy to ask for help it's not easy you know fact i think it's one of the toughest things in life to do. a lot of you have composed to die hell some of you have been brought back from the day and that isn't fair is serious . pardon my language. 15 years ago i raised my hand. and i said i'm done. i am done i can't do this anymore i'm sick i'd rather be dead. that's why i know exactly what it feels like to sit right there or there or there i know it

that's why it is the greatest privilege in my life to think that i have the chance to help you change yours. we are a family. all right today's my favorite do you know why today's the day that we get together once a month and we celebrate the milestones that you've achieved because every minute so over. is a minute one i get is tell me about the next project you're working on with him as well. well i got another movie we have finished it's called idle red which is kind of again a little bit of an oklahoma gangster story and myself and josh hartnett that we play we play relatives and the melissa leo plays i do read again loosely based on a true story and she basically was a fixer among the different games in the in the midwest and so it's

a like kind of an action thriller and just heard endlessly are amazing in it and so i did that and then we have another movie with john schwab i'm going to do called the heart of dixie and that is in a month of be going in a month with him for a 3rd time i love him he's great to a great director he'll he's going to want career i want to get to as many of your projects as possible if they forgive me if i move on but i thought about no man's land because that's another film that filth particularly timely at the moment if you just tell me that about yeah that came out last month in a really it really has done very well to young filmmakers jane connor allen wrote the script and con around directed it jake was a star again sure story of about this just place on the. on the on the panhandle on the border of texas and mexico there is

a strip of land that they call no man's land because it isn't really. governed by the united states and it is it mexico and these people these farmers who live there are kind of caught in between this no man's land you actually if you're an american citizen you need to have your passport when you travel through the border. and it's about this family's plight of losing their farm slowly because of because of what they call coyotes coming in and stealing smuggling drugs and it's about these 2 families who lose. something very special and you know in the end you realize that we're all the same and we're all trying to do the same thing and be happy and safe and you know keep our kids keep our kids educated and healthy and you know it's a story of humanity that norco 6 month term on probably every day. trucks and cones in our backyard. saving the sinner this is our

home. i don't know a loser who just doesn't want to throw a party who are you know. you are going to do i would not want them but i want. these projects body break because the no man's land and even the pods from their own films the kind of carry strong political and timely messages how do you pick these projects needed to really go if one is the kind of speak to the modern time we live in e.s.i. you know it's interesting i get a bunch of movies that come my way and some of them are just supporting roles most of them are supporting roles and i try to find the ones that speak to me that you know that say something or you know it's an egregious action and i just feel good to have fun to meet but whatever i do it's always show i did so it's for a specific reason it's not just to go to work. there were the supporting growth if

i do prefer that they gives you more flexibility more choice in choosing rove yeah i love it i love being a supporting character you know it's kind of how i made my bones my entire career and you know i love serving the script and and working with other actors so i guess what it's also fun to be the leading guy to you know it's depending on the piece. i'm game to do anything yeah i want to see ask about flavell because i understand it was made by your production company war party that's yes yes might my partner nigel carnahan who made movies like the gray and smokin aces and mark. we have a production company called war party this was our 6th film that we made. we've been trying to take years to get it made and was finally able to get it meet and even over the top 86 style action thriller it's r.

rated you know those 80 s. r. rated action comedies do you advise others in some of their sense to start their own production companies to find it and eyes are going to cut through the hollywood as the would say you know if you're in a position you know joe and i are made on both sides in this business the hard way and we and we found that taking control of our careers together. we were for minimal force and so i think it's a great idea if if you really want to do this and you don't want to sit by the telephone waiting for something to happen you know you're going to go make a movie now and i feel you really can't and there's no excuses not to do it so i'd rather you know we were in complete control of ourselves you know look if i get offered a big studio movie it's something to think about but i'm much happier just making movies with joe carnahan and and or these little films and you know going to lend my my services for the. while i'm completely satisfied but if that was an excuse to

not make a film maybe you want to doctors without borders how does that work trying to make a film during a pandemic like this yes it was interesting we hired a group of doctors without borders we created a protocol they created a protocol which we were one of the 1st production companies to do it and it cost an astronomical amount of money added to the budget but we had one case of coded in a 2 month period and we were able to execute a film it's called cautioned me and jerry butler and joe directed it and you know look i think the silver lining inside of the code it is that we need the movie far more efficiently so in the end it is king and some aspects it was even better making the movie that way imagine the budget and you obviously are now in the business and the production company how do you develop domestic about post coronavirus recovery in the film industry i do i do i think i think you know the

panic of it all is settled and i think there's enough things out there being done at a high level even when coding does come into play on a set now we understand how to handle labor you don't necessarily need to shut an entire movie down so i think what's happening is more and more the finance us and the banks and studios you know understand it's not a catastrophe but it's something that we need now to build into making movies that's all we have to we have to be really aware of coronavirus and you feel. that about the film going on demand to support more films going on demand directly robin going to send off. i mean you know look right now i mean i don't know about where you are but cinemas are really slow to open people are little by little getting back in there i don't know when the cinema experience is going to return to the levels that it was it should ever does and i think what we're seeing is. companies

like hulu which is pretty out of bos level and netflix and h.b.o. max all these companies are state the movie you know these it is a plethora of movies that would have never gone eater's because of coleridge and we're getting to watch them and you were getting used to watch on the stream no man's land body breakers is there anyone out there might also go on hulu it's in the theaters around the world but on hulu in north america and you know i got a bunch of stuff coming out i don't know the dates man's bodyguard to a couple of other movies but i don't know that gay shit has a cult so i will get back and talk again they i would love about frank and i thank you so much now my pleasure thank you for speaking to going underground jeff you have a jolly cup there will be back on wednesday until then keep in touch why would i say show me.

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