our expert in china has one imagine an extremely unlikely to virus was a leak from a lap i mean that sounds very you know of stein's friction is wires and a many forms and many variations and there you can remember actually as you know it was used by the trumpet ministration to justify all manner of rhetoric from washington what do you think say what happened in the suez canal in the past few days tells us about the danger of trade wars and the interconnectedness of different countries is this is how one or more of our our transportation earn our and also the literally on top the international routes of those strategic channels and. you know the transition is so so important so that as a cause the war what so i think that west. just imagine you can see. a conflict time of war time that it would be disastrous so i think that means you know we

should really cherish the peace and we should really say on peace and we should really more in any jew political conflict and we should really i meant tend to train posterity and trade the flow as it should be so that we can maintain the. dimensions of countries all together and a country among international trade and we can really secure a better life for all of us on this planet so you think a world of peace is one where 400 military bases from the united states encircled china and where the war continues arguably in syria on syria there are troops in iraq. obviously the the repercussions of the libya invasion continue that's your world that peace. well i think that's really not the right way to do it i'm of course we should really calm all the peace and i'm glad to see that

no the new secretary really concerned you know that the aim of us now is no longer talk or any government anymore suppose so they go the results are bad and then legal resources from afghanistan so hold out the situation we will get to a better situation and you don't send the troops to invade any other countries we're not topping any governments it will not really follow our model we should really rely on to go assistant the unit un charter that everybody signs in really to the modern other systems and use our own differences rather than we you know occupied countries or sent troops to to do that since you mention by then secretary of state blinken infamous for foreign policy adventures he also said that well he came close to saying china's response of a genocide in xinjiang and is in jail and obviously you're here from here in london the chinese ambassador was summoned that's what health of health. not in

that you know that's something that syrians to be sorted out i think changes men tend the good stuff realty and austerity in the awesome of years particularly they have and even. the slamming stream used or any stress of terrorist act because before 56 years ago hundreds on the last minute of the last what i what i also found a very very and dr very dull voice some western media say ok there's a 1000000000 readers locked out the figure with 2000000 in their western media or is that for comes from that's really. very very official because i don't see there are regions where all all invented that. there's only about 10 told viewers a total number the talk of october is a lot of them but they're not everybody of every family so so i don't think that it

was really possible and also the government of china has already said including the government should generally set all the trainees in the education school has already graduated last year already they have said on many times already so and that is so we will use the satellite too to see that there's a lot of buildings and look scams but you know there's a lot of and duties that that's not really what exactly there are so so i don't really very very you know puzzling where the community numbers come from that's really and it's not factories it's so we have many you know international and basters generous action 2000 of the business in john and the 80 countries actually you know showed his position in the u.n. human rights council to support china so i think that we really should work a more international bashers or join in as the competition to visit not really you know find out by themselves i mean me as

a foreign spokesman china welcomes that now i think that. you know we this can be easily sorted but i don't think that the number of exam also talked about forced labor she just i mean the constant production 70 percent of the cotton picking is by machine whereas those forced labor come from force the machine so you know a lot of things always this is not fact based it's not really were it was lost substance a lot of facts we learnt a daytime piece and both about we don't we don't really hear much about that in britain arguably britain has banned the equivalent the chinese equivalent to the british broadcasting corporation c g t n here in this country so maybe we don't hear that side of the argument but what about the new york times saying it had leaked documents showing scripts about chinese officials can explain to ex-pat chinese students why their parents are missing i mean these are the kinds of stories that are now affecting world trade.

why i think there could be and they don't and if you don't owe you do do isn't i am . really also not official dog guards but that don't think there's any massive you know that they're going to you know in a systematic massive. lockdown on people and things like not so that's not really the chinese situation as a matter of fact china has a lifted 800000000 people out of poverty 100000000 you just asked 8 years that's the biggest human rights achievement china has china has actually achieved the. gender of 20 or 30 of us 10 years ahead of time just imagine you know you don't see any homeless people in our people with our you know people leaving the streets anymore in china no more i mean that's really great i mean extreme probably has been lifted off chinese society so that's a big isn't human so i think we should really look at the positive sign china's down rather than you know look could be individual cases here and there and magnify that and and really also categorize that as

a whole situation i don't think that is a very practical well here in britain way used to the government and successive governments saying we protect human rights by looking at other countries human rights abuses and allegations why do you think it is that china has not summoned the british ambassador in beijing because julian a surge is being called into the un tortured here in london why i mean at least we did hear from young men when. they you know anchorage of the talks with blinken about the george floyd trial black lives whether why does china not care about human rights abuses when they're committed by nato countries. well i think china cares about human right i mean no no absolutely no as i just mentioned china has been really trying to avoid the gap between rich and poor china has really use a lot of resources to learn what i'm getting at is it is it philosophical that

china doesn't want to interfere with other countries alleged human rights abuses when the last time you hear any chinese communist party official talking about guantanamo bay what i charge you sure you write a report on the every year number. that's not true every year talk about the national human rights violation by other countries particularly us to. as well as you heard from you know iraq beyond u.s. senator alaska meeting also so i think that you know. what what we have got i think china's our visual quality ones that that's be a peaceful competition you know we all have problems you have your problems we have our problem but that's not you often are printing a pound in each other let's not beat each other you know arms let's solve all problems china's concentrate are solving its own property issues social issues and you know china has actually had a 1300000 people as a basic medicare 1000000000 people have

a strong social security that's the biggest achievement so let's solve the problem rather than we really pick on those foreigners and always please others not start right approach even though humanitarian intervention is arguably being a cornerstone of neo liberal thought in in nato countries now for decades you are where all this stuff about shin jang comes from i mention guantanamo i mean do you think that the cia is involved in propaganda that some people saying that the director of campaign for the week that he has to be added to a translator of guantanamo bay. well i'm not oh i'm not on top of that but i notice chinese foreign ministry spokesperson there are actually being actually a few days ago should the media who are one of the news to be. secretary of. defense are is basically saying you know there is no afghanistan and house you

cited leaders inching johnson or we can chart that was open we do we really we saw there so i mean the way we should really you know cares to moneyball to our country's internal affairs let's debate all those issues and indifference and you will you know platform let's talk about all these other international conference rather than really without investigation without really a fact proving to categorize everybody just examined as are around us name that something goes on china and that's really too much to to to to support to be supported do you think it's been nato zone countries i mean britain is sending a aircraft carrier to your maritime borders the defense review said here that china is a defacto enemy of this country but at the same time obviously britain may not be able to economically survive who knows without the trade with the economic superpower of

this century is that a story that's just told to or their own populations by governments in the nato countries keep the trade going but at the same time accuse you of genocide. oh oh i think that's why the sand there are kind of scary to sawston sue never going to do that but that's not china has always said the freedom of navigation is always there you know if they do a lot so china never said such chances not cannot you cannot be an asset your isn't possible to ask but just you know china has solved this china's suit friendly was the neighboring countries like really being like you know all the countries in the region so they have asked me on china and there is and they are pursuing a code of conduct on the sultan's this although i think the country the region has wisdom and the means to solve rather than we really. know interleave that will be really excited by the arctic outputs so i think you will know latin he should use

our country in the region and so genesis is a really. you know the freedom that a vision is not not not a promise a yeah i mean the 3rd may not be a problem but you know obviously the u.s. navy and british navy is sending ships there just very finely so this philosophical approach to international affairs nothing will be done about me and more as regards i mean there was a meeting recently of chinese and russian officials in china the russian foreign minister they discussed me and my but they're not going to go in there and ask for regime change the way a nato country would about a so-called proxy. that's why i'm not a very much aware of that but i think you know the basically. russian farmers certain chinese firms demanding greedy just yes right up to now last comedian is now duty to grieve and to really to surely have rightly he should a common communique energy have sent you know the old con can't confirm over some

of the count on a consensus the china and russia has which is i think against germany and against you know a judge a judge of the people of iran by different standards and things like that so i think that you know they just it's a way that i think to show they are. you know the consensus and they actually show that they do want to keep each other in fall and also they want to. meet the challenges sometimes all together so i think it's a. reservoir thank you after the break we'll be speaking to no enchants his daughter and the doyenne of immigration academia have even chomsky about the rights of president biden's detention of thousands of children on the us mexico border.

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account. this is what happens to pensions in britain. you watch kaiser report. welcome back well as the usa continues its televised trial after the death of the police of george floyd which led to uprising all around the world joe biden is again presiding over the detention of thousands of unaccompanied children joining me now is known to his daughter an internationally renowned historian in their own right salem state university professor of eva chomsky who joins me from massachusetts even thanks so much for coming on going underground so the world is obviously looking at this televised trial of george floyd taking from the headlines away from the u.s. mexican border how is structural racism do you believe linked to the detaining of children by joe biden on the border between the u.s.

and mexico while it's important to look at what's going on with children on the border right now it's also really important to can text to allies it that is. i don't think that the crisis is should be defined as the fact that joe biden is detaining children on the border i think that we really need to look a lot bigger to understand what's going on and to understand the role of structural racism in it and i would say that the role of structural racism has to do with the way i think that saren policy is a really big part of it and understanding why children are being forced to sleep from central america. and how our immigration policy and our foreign policy have worked together to create a crisis in central america to militarize not only our border but then it's back to force mexico to militarize militarized its own southern border and to force guatemala just militarize its own southern border that is immigration policy and

foreign policy have promoted and economic development model for central america and mexico but especially central america right now that is forcing people to flee. and then forcing them and then pushing them back if someone who is really the thing is not pretty and violence and the future who make it to the u.s. border. donald trump was holding them in mexico that is unaccompanied children who are requesting asylum in the united states he was trump was not even letting them cross the border what biden has done is now to slightly open the border to allow in only unaccompanied children. this creates a whole new set of problems allowing india unaccompanied children then what is to happen to them according to u.s.

law. they will be released to family members or sponsors in the united states so that if the the notion of teaching of children right now really is only be sorry to the the recreated of a process to process these children find their family members and release them to their family members so i would say caging of children is really the problem right now with a few honorable exceptions journalists have all been going out there those that 2 areas allowed by the biden administration obviously journalists a band from a lot of the so-called cages and they have been talking about foreign policy in these countries or the history and bidens we talk about natural disasters when it comes to those countries biden's got a plan $4000000000.00 for el salvador guatemala and honduras you think you think $4000000000.00 means much compared to the is

a billions or is it trillions that the united states has spent in this country with . well it's not just that it doesn't mean much but it's also that it's going to the wrong things and i should also say there is no such thing as a natural disaster. in 2 respects one these so-called natural disasters are a result right now of climate change and climate change has human causes it's not a natural occurrence so when we see these for destructive hurricanes we should not call them natural disasters we should call them human caused disasters but the other thing is that the impact of a hurricane depends on social structures. who has land who has houses who has infrastructure to withstand things like so-called natural disasters and who is destroyed by natural disasters well it's the poor. so so the impact of so-called natural disasters is very much shaped by structural

racism as you suggest it is not just that oh it happened and it hurt everybody equally but those $4000000000.00 that biden is giving to central america basically are going into 2 different areas and neither one is going to help the poor people of central america. part of it is going directly towards military policing drug wars and border control that is not going to help the people of central america the other part is going to promote the very same export oriented foreign investment based economic model that has destroyed central america's economies for the last 54 centuries. and has not helped the poor it has helped foreign investors it's helped profits and over consumption of cheap items in the united states ranging from our clothes. to the coffee and bananas to the fruits and vegetables.

that are produced by main cheaply for us by maintaining poverty in central america by refusing to let central american countries do things like raise the minimum wage by refusing to let central american workers do things like form unions and our foreign policy our economic aid is has gone directly towards supporting those models that we just mentioned a few examples when nicaragua tried to carry out a revolution in the 1980 s. to change its social structure to start privileging the poor instead of the foreign investors the united states tries to overthrow it when the 100 president in 2902. is the minimum wage what did the united states do overthrow him when the quantum olen government in 1954 tried to create rights for workers and peasants union rights minimum wages labor organization what does the united states do they

overthrow him so. the united states has a very consistent history of promoting the interests of foreign investors over the interests of the central american poor and the economic development model. that biden is promoting is the very same one based on inviting in and protecting the interests of foreign investors not on the be distributive model that could actually help the condition of the poor in central america who are we have to automatically invoke your father but then why is it that on mainstream us television channels which have been covering the border caps was none of this in their coverage even as a context you know the sentence. well there's a couple of different reasons one is that journalism is about man bites dog story journalists really don't have the in the mainstream media the capacity the time to delve into deep research about why things are happening and you know i went

to journalism school for a year and basically what i learned there is how to write a story when you don't know anything about the topic that's unfortunate but that's how mainstream journalism often works but the other thing is that. assumptions about the rightness of u.s. foreign policy the rightness of u.s. economic policy the rate mis of the global economic order that privileges the united states and i should also say it is the precise full economic order that is causing the climate change that is causing the natural disasters the so-called natural disasters in central america. those assumptions are really deeply built into our society our educational system and journalists reproduce them because that's how they too are educated and socialized we we obviously want you on for your new book in you know month time but i know in the new book on immigration

haiti is quite exceptional as an example in your hemisphere there's a new report out saying that biden is using title 42 of the your 944 public health service act to deport basically more haitians than trumpeted in a whole he year war what do you why do you think haitians have borne the brunt of the biden administration's role. well one thing is what's happening in the i mean if we want to look at the united states' role in haiti over the past 100 years there are so many her thick stories to tell the united states of course occupied haiti for a good part of the 1st half of the 20th century. established a virtual slavery system there. in the 191-0920 s. . tried to establish a group plantations there. or to reestablish the sugar plantation system there and

when they failed miserably turned haitians into a subject migrant labor force sending them over to work on us on tribulations in the dominican republic. and of course you know i couldn't i was talking about central america so i didn't mention the u.s. sponsored coup against the haitian president john prescott a stede who basically tried to do the same thing as some of the leaders in central america that i was talking about in the 2nd half of the 20th century trying to do one of the crimes that i knew steve committed is exactly the same one that manuel said i had committed in honduras tried to raise the minimum wage well the united states doesn't want that because u.s. companies rely on u.s. consumers rely on. party leaders in haiti in order to make their profits ok well just finally finally i know you think the term illegal immigration as a as a term is very new and why is it the democrats specialize in deportation obama

$400000.00 a year and now because his vice president is the president of the united states should we be expecting more deportations or engagement in in what the rest of the world arguably think gross human rights violations this caging of children and and mass deportation activity well i think the politicians whether democrat or republican are juggling veriest various interest groups and the truth is i don't see that big difference between the democrats and republicans in terms of their immigration policies are. on one hand there is. you know donald trump obviously worked much harder to mobilize an anti immigrant wing base of. you know kind of populist nationalist anti immigrant just we hate immigrants all together most of the democrats including biden and obama has

not appealed directly to that base and yet both of them continue to appeal to a kind of an economic nationalism obama definitely promoted. and narrative of criminalization of immigrants and trying to neatly divide immigrants between good guys and bad guys and trying to kind of did the same thing you know he talked about some deserving immigrants who have to be norwegian were the ones he mention. and so did the criminalization of immigrants is also of course a racialized narrative. both democrats and republicans have to balance the needs of corporations for cheap immigrant labor inside the united states the role that immigrants play in the u.s. economy. against this sort of populist vote getting. we need to do get rid of immigrants so i really see that happening with both and i'm not sure

that. that being a democrat means that by who's going to deport more or fewer immigrants than then have others and the the policy of militarization of the border and. enforcing mexico and guatemala to militarize their borders has been a bipartisan project professor of eva johnson thank you that's of this year we'll be back on saturday to talk point to a baby 10 years if we can leaks release one ton of our files were built when director of the mauritanian kevin macdonald in the good mood lawyer played by jodie foster in the film. same wrong one old rule just don't hold. any old belief yet to shape

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