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a consideration tell me what do we have prisons for i mean do we or society or prisons in order to punish people for breaking the law or maybe isolate dangerous people or harassing people to tearing others from breaking the law what is it which one is it prisoners or is a variety of purposes but in in it's ideal form there is no ideal form so that's just but in essence the punishment shouldn't be your time incarcerated the punishment is being removed from society removed from all of your belongings your. loves and being and serving out a period of time where you're away from everyone in prison itself should not be punitive in nature the idea of going to prison that removal from life that is is the punishment for or for the different transgressions that result in incarceration robert blake lewis or a prison isn't used that marsters days or any or it can carry the united states

they say correctional facilities or question officers etc where do we get this idea that prison can correct people and what exactly it is supposed to correct so i think when you look at the corrective nature of the rehabilitated nature prison i think every prison service wants to be rehabilitated in make sure i think that's an underpinning prison in the east in canada correctional services are very much they flush away in terms of what they offer based on basically whoever is governing who who have or is in the whatever government is is in power so we'll see if we have looked for example in the past under the conservative harper government a vast change in prisons relative funding was cut programming was up then in the more liberal. governmental you'll see more benefits and more programs being. presenter just reinstated in the institutions so we do see that sort of change. and

as that answers your question there. yes or no footprints break more are very they're not those who spent a long term in prison i don't know if say 10 years or something have a hard time going back to normal life. is there any contradiction between having a goal to correct and to social behavior and then in order to do it cram people with other antisocial people for years on end i mean who would be able to learn anything about normal life in this circumstances. well and that's one of the big challenges is to present a most turns more most terms inside basically is if you get sentenced to 10 years for example you're eligible for parole in canada after 30 the sentence after seems or is it statutory really soon i'm in the majority of people are not going away for these extensive periods of time which then begs the question why are we

incarcerated is a man's only going away for a couple months or couple weeks at a time eccentric we're removing them for life but we're not not doing anything they're not going to it is not a period of time or there can be treating her interventions or rehabilitation because it's so short many of our individuals who do go away for longer periods of time and the idea is to be corrected but i think that's a fallacy in our institutions because even your confining anyone in these long term living circumstances is really difficult to implement programming into work with people towards change to recall that prisoners and their complex needs many have very complex needs we see brain injuries we see mental disorders adverse felt it events accent and diction there's a variety of other there's a full scale of needs that have to be addressed as well for people to successfully means a great sin the prison itself and the challenge with the president is how does it need these and these directives. well i mean research is there is

a life care in the end often lead to negative personal changes for instance emotional numbing inability or in the interview trust others i haven't heard this term prison if prison ization. there is an error in a person ration system doesn't lead to these attacks but is in. prison and isolation is a very it will turn him down in 183 by connor and it was the idea that he it socialized into the prison understanding and the reality is and the basically the informal culture is that govern prison lakas prison is a society that in itself. in all in all forms is between the stuff in the crash and all of that the correctional officers working there in the treatment stuff and everyone in there plus the prisoners it creates its own it's got its own social structures in sonder paintings built to for money in burma very much like we're even see in society. in the reality is that the structure itself as much as

it's intended for rehabilitation isn't designed in a way that allows people the opportunities to knowing it in the treatment turn agent processes that they require in order to move forward and regenerate in a in a positive manner so there seems to be a disconnect between the objectives of the institution and what actually comes from it and he does this enough in changing personalities and i've had many people tell me that in their presentations some people inside where there's an obligation or an interest in presenting as tough that be arms over time in marines in them and they tend to have a different type of person a different type of presentation of the time it is only for individuals who are spent a long periods of time incarcerated they tend to see changes in behavior is and you see the market in prison it on those individuals from a lot of eye contact to one of the a.n.c. can even tell because dental care is very poor in institutions misting henna so you can see markings in different way on individuals but i mean also to write only other him for instance if prison invasion especially people in our changing very

bad environment what stops them from reacting to normal life when they're out. well i think everyone tries to that is exceptionally difficult and once released. in there's a break in your comment in fantasy implementable have never been in the labor market prior to their incarceration especially people who go in interviews thinking what that means to going in and your early adulthood those are one the appendices in these main opportunities to learn skills are happening in society so they're removed from match people who do have skills those skills can where because not being used one in prison still makes reentry increasingly difficult social networks and other thing need to tweak mine a person is in prison they don't have the same connections in the outside world and many times during re-entry you can't connect with other persons who have been incarcerated or have a criminal record as as a condition of your release so we see a variety of factors that impact individual answer that they're not sent out for say sas post release as

a result whereas the statistics show longer and her share sentences greater personality changes in prisoners and increased the risk of actually then turning to crime again so we had our own actually completely correct. i've seen many persons who go in have longer sentences when it comes to mind one they know a lot of people agent of criminality rate in the receipt aging and happening are the time of the monies and among older individuals and i would say that a long prison term will generally be top suggest as our share. very even a harsher prison term and wouldn't actually carry it with a higher chance of recidivism i haven't seen stats that i'm actually makes that correlation that specifically re because i've while i was a research for this and should be made him across. one of the citizens it may not

be true so there may be thing that on one hand are really bad actions cause for severe punishment and it should and that's just is but there is severe punishment leaves very little chance for a true every location of the offender it is my question leading up to whatever seems what is still the priority for a prison system i mean right now it's keeping coded into the institutions to be honest but i think the priority wants to be in many cases they want to be rehabilitated they want to provide a venue or a space in which people can recognize the consequences of their actions and then move forward in ways that are pro-social it's just that's not the actual case of what tends to happen and then obviously there's the public reaction rate because if the prison system starts to truly care about the rehabilitation of criminals there's a what will the public say because we have some windows some of them who are it and

then who leave them hot soup invariably for class players money surely most societies when agree to that. i think it. i think that's the biggest challenge like the penal practice in any country or any space is very reflective of how the public views individuals so if you're living in a society that now lies as individuals who are and ensures that criminalized persons remain criminalized it's very difficult to create a supportive environment for reentry and that's one of the things they are looking at a person who commits a crime taking it and we don't look at the context of the situation everything else happening that you don't have to rehabilitate in plans as a society that is going to be a barrier to their reentry they're not going to have opportunities they're going to be limited in what they can in iraq and it's going to increase in the challenging those who are again take a short break right now when we come back we'll continue talking about are they going to friends currently in place actually make society safer talking to

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with rosemary ridge. coordinator at memorial university and he found them dissociate scientific director of the canadian stage but it seems the research and treatment we're talking about whether it's currently in place actually makes this a safer and better rosemary continued societal line since we're trying to understand whether prisoners are should be a tool for retribution or rehabilitation but isn't the idea of reputation of a criminal in itself a bit forward and show the perpetrators isn't the victim here right so really they're not the ones needing reputation are they well. i think if i syrian crackly is you're saying only look at the perpetrator of the crime ah. had to get the sympathy for the ring that person is also a victim in written need of reality and the reality is money look at prisoners and

a colleague of mine is doing research and in our in alberta bronzer she found an upper it's beyond 90 percent of the persons incarcerated experience the 1st chance in events if you look at their meeting condition i guess the health condition imagine persons who are incarcerated are at risk and it's brain injuries so they have an individual with a brain injury that is led in and it's tied to their criminality i think society has to recognize that it's much more complex behaviors are not necessarily reflective of what they want to do they aren't in there an intent many times they are there moments and reasoned if we can do more for these individuals to be preventative future incidents i think a society will benefit because they can be law abiding citizens for contributing to the labor market in the economy. where i mean revocation someone who got lost or committed a crime once out of desperation sounds very compassionate but you know

a lot of people who end up in prison are not interested in becoming better in what i mean is it like i hear you when you say you know when you look at this indigenous people's history like you usually see that you know they don't have good childhood and they have you know problems growing up but then a lot of people who have problems in childhood and growing up but they don't end up in criminals you know what i mean so yes so at that a lot of people but one is like they're going to just not interested in becoming better and history has basically given them away from us from a cynical or interview they are playing devil's advocate here isn't it like too naive to think that you know hardened criminals will sincerely change of 8 treat them nice. i believe everyone has the potential for to systems and it's not just a maturing rakhine really are and are being as it is that lens of understanding that allows us to understand what are the sort of risk factors in preventing factors around and individuals cannot behaviors and how do we see and of course if

a person in this i see this all the time i am not an abolitionist i don't believe in abolishing prisons i believe that we should change the form function of prison but there are certain individuals who do need to remain in prison because they pose a risk to our society but they wrestle at their smaller number than what we have in our institutions now and there comes a time i've talked to many what you would call a hardened criminal who over a period of time get to a point where they're not interested in that lifestyle anymore and that's when the punishment the ability to change comes from not everyone's going to be ready right away in a short sentence someone being good inside for 2 months what's that really going to do it's not it's not savings it's spending taxpayer dollars they're not getting treatment is not even long enough for a treatment program so what are the what are we doing by that kind of incarceration and then of course like we also have. prisons like in norway we have

a maximum security joint it looks more like and i lowkey hotel rather than it has an inmate's have privacy and are out to make stary in their own food etc. you say you look at brave a killer who's committed one of the most horrific crimes and he's you know regular quietly reading these many festivals our prison put in the internet and the maximum prison sentence in norway is every 21 years and it has the lowest reoffending rate in the world do you think maybe norway way is a bad scenario for prisoners elsewhere. any the nuneaton this is in the region prisons in norway still has maxim's occur. the institutions or all of their institutions are sort of the image of the nerve agent prison that we see they still rock saloons to max and secure institutions that are you know cell phones and bars and everything else they also have a market it's enormous as

a society is also more in grace of persons and recognizes that it's in that society has a role in in the actions underpinning her mentality and is more receptive to curses during re-entry and there are and vantages and really great things in the narration system but there's also downfalls there's debt presently prison with debt there's a lot of focus on the reentry processes and they have high sentencing rates in the last community sentences like there are challenges with that system as well it's not as exceptional as perhaps it's presented it will give the canadian system our minimum security federal institutions a new premier their new fence their image of townhouses. so it's a very and i've had people tell me that in movement from a muslim to median to a minimum is at that median where the security is gone and they don't have the same threat in and risk for it to my nation and they're actually able to come to terms

and deal with the incidents that resulted in our surveys and the there's a lot of anxiety and hard feelings that are married and they're able to actually take the time to earn their sentencing and experience where in their own countries like mary states and there is a pain in there their death sentence or put in someone where if your ally are needed for deterring serious criminals doing it out point. i don't think prison is a deterrent in any way and i think the religious supports that it's not the other thing that i read question there is if an individual committed a crime so he's taken individual community crime trauma. in and 20 years later when that individual is 40 are you still punishing the person who committed the crime or is the person being punished for something that they were a completely different person at the time one doesn't expire one is a person's actions no longer what we need to judge them for on an everyday basis so if we think of ourselves like in the back to things i did in my twenty's i would

want to know for that in our twenty's in an inner teen's allan's in time circumstances can evolve there with prisoners with any criminals person that one out determines who they are moving forward and the holmes is going to commit a crime at 20 and they can be 65 and we still look at them as as that 20 year old who committed acts. who does it expire what is the what is the process one can a person it and i are sure change. i know that the consequences of committing a crime will be soft that i'm not in real danger would there be more predisposed to actually going through the crime. the search does suggest that to turn that punishments like that don't don't serve as deterrents be an enemy as most people don't view themselves as following in that trajectory and most crimes are not planned of intent. you know the beer and protest sort of briefed new life

into the prison opposition movement and you said you don't believe in their career but the movement's main goal is to final turn is jim prison 1000000 punishment what could a layman i really newman's goals of finding alternatives to punishment and not just punishment alternatives to the whole carswell entity i just would not advocate for the pure abolition prisons the one they are the single one meal it could be alternatives be realistically speaking only there's a lot we can do with our separation and there's a lot we can do with not holding people in prison he did not commit violent offenses and don't pose a threat to society he can release them and has been in different contexts is no need for like intermittent sentences people who research weekends beginning in society are weak why they need to be in prison on weekends and there's other types of monitors a lot of front and back and sentencing that can be done from 10 being like released on released on bail on alternatives to the entire punitive system of treatment

courts angle to treatment programs instead and in our survey ssion it you know there's a variety of different structures in place that we can lose instead of turn towards imprisonment and then on the back end of people to serve time in prison we need to do more to mest in their reintegration in that includes investing in the person supporting their reintegration so that they have the. capability as an er in a state where they're in will to do that we think with the needed resources. and also we were initially criminal behavior is often rooted in power to abuse in childhood like you've heard of kinds of things. taking in this era can there even be another concept of justice that does not revolve around retribution and i didn't issue a little bit with this in the time between poverty ending our solution criminality is one of the things as there are many people who live in degrees of ari who don't

turn to crime and there are many very affluent white collar crime is a huge huge portion of what my absence but he is nonviolent so doesn't result in the same like the prison sentences so anything any gets complicated to make those kind of on correlations i think you have to be a bit cautious in doing that because it's email get better who actually talk to people and hear their stories of what resulted in a in camilla's behavior you know sometimes it's just less style and it's cyclical it can be learned other times it can be something that happens an event or in any mood to motions in and certain things there's a lot of different reasons that people in the agents and i think if we try to overly dramatic correlation between poverty and crime the don't see the bigger picture and also falsely paints individuals who are experiencing poverty as susceptible to criminality and i didn't think that's the case but the question was

do you think there can ever be any other concept of justice that doesn't necessarily revolve around retribution or is retribution the only concept of justice if i have all. i think there is and i think the restorative justice practices show you that me don't need. don't need retribution in order to justice so restorative practices even then that notion of going to get written an offender for mediation. it provides a different space in order to look at how we move forward and i think these kinds of alternatives will release are people well because i don't think most people want to see persons being tracked or penalized for a specific action. but it has to be it's complicated because with prisons you have to balance the needs and the desires of the lib dems in nature that is a didn't recognise they also had a look at the person who did the ending and figure out what's leading there what

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