courtesy of our media colleagues in the american capital a police officer has died another is in hospital after a car roaming the u.s. capitol building a suspect was shot dead at the scene in the entire area is under lockdown there are reports that looked on ended though just waiting for verification but it is still restricted access around the area the driver reportedly crashed into a bar a cage before stepping out of that they call brandishing a knife so far there's been no indication of a possible motive but d.c. police are saying the attack does not appear to be terrorism related well this of course was 3 months or less for the deadly riots on capitol hill. one police officer excuse me died during those clashes another committed suicide just a number of days after the author has been a heavy security presence in the area ever since with national guard troops patrolling. the newsroom here in moscow on our team in the u.s.

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everything were a part of america 1st from. oh i'm just so people are visionaries me sort of the shevardnadze and punishment for crying is an essential component of our civilization but it didn't vanish when placed actually made the safer well i talked to rosemary richard daley said we

ought to coordinate our moral universe to you linda so she had scientific director at the canadian city of public safety research and treatment. rosemary richard alley criminology cordin haider at memorial university of new found land this is see it scientific director at the canadian institute for public safety research treatment rose great to have you with us on our show today welcome. thank you for having me it's a pleasure all right so as a researcher in consideration tell me what do we have prisons for i mean do we or society or prisons in order to punish people for breaking the law or maybe isolate dangerous people who are correct and be able to tearing others from breaking the law what is it which one is it improves prisoners or is a variety of purposes but in in its ideal form there is no ideal form so that's

just but in essence the punishment shouldn't be your time incarcerated the punishment is being removed from society removed from all of your belongings your. loves and being and serving out a period of time where you're away from everyone in prison itself should not be punitive in nature the idea of going to prison that removal from life that is is the punishment for her for the different transgressions that result in incarceration. break lou we're prison isn't letters that marsters days are a failure can carry the united states they say correctional facilities or question officers etc where do we get this idea that prison can correct people and where exactly it is supposed to correct. i think well look at the corrective nature of the rehabilitated nature of prison i think every prison service wants to be rehabilitated in make sure i think that's an underpinning prison in east in canada

correctional services are very much they flush away in terms of what they offer based on basically whoever's governing who who have or is in the whatever government is is in power so we'll see if we have for example in the past under the conservative harper government a vast change in prisons relative funding was cut programming was cut but then in the more liberal. governmentally will see more benefits and more programs being. presenter just reinstated in the institutions so we do see that sort of change. and as that answers your question there. yes or no footprints break more are very they're not those who spent a long term in prison i don't know if it's a terrier's or something have a hard time going back to normal life. is there any contradiction between having a goal to correct and to social behavior and then in order to do people with other

antisocial people if their ears are married i mean who would be able to learn anything about normal life in these circumstances well and that's one of the big challenges so present a most turns mark most terms inside basically is if you get sentenced to 10 years for example you're eligible for parole in canada after 30 the sentence after excuse or is it statutory really so i'm in the majority of people are not going away for these extensive periods of time which then begs the question why are we incarcerated is a men's only going away for a couple months or couple weeks at a time eccentrics we're removing them for life but we're not not doing anything they're not going to it's not a period of time or there can be treating her interventions or rehabilitation because it's so short many of our individuals who do go away for longer periods of time and the idea is to be corrected but i think that's a fallacy in our institutions because it when you're confining anyone in these long

term living circumstances is really difficult to implement programming into work with people towards change recall that prisoners and their complex needs many have very complex needs we see brain injuries we see mental disorders adverse childhood events eccentric addiction there's a variety of other there's a full scale of needs that have to be addressed as well for people to successfully means a great sin the prison itself and the challenge with the prison it's up. how does it need these and these directives. well i mean research is there is a life care in the end often lead to negative personal changes for instance emotional numbing illiterate if you trust others i haven't heard this term prison if prison ization. there isn't really an edge purser ation system doesn't lead to these attacks but isn't the prison eyes ation is a very it will turn him loose cannon 133 by connor and it is the idea that yet

socialized into the prison understanding in any reality is an end and basically in the informal cultures that govern prison lakas prison is a society that in itself in a law in all forms is between the style of and the crushing on that the correctional officers working there in the treatment stand everyone in their class the prisoners it creates its own it's got its own social structures in sonder paintings built to for money in burma very much like what you would see in society . in the reality is that the structure itself as much as it's intended for rehabilitation isn't designed in a way that allows people the opportunities to knowing it in the treatment turn agent processes that they require in order to move forward and regenerate in a in a positive manner so there seems to be a disconnect between the objectives of the institution and what actually comes from it and he does this enough in changing personalities and i've had many people tell me that in their presentations some people inside where there's an obligation or an

interest in presenting as tough that be arms over time in marines in them and they tend to have a different type of person a different type of presentation of the time particularly for individuals who have spent a long periods of time incarcerated we tend to see changes in behavior is and you see the market in prison it on those individuals from a lot of eye contact to one of the ins even even tell me his dental care is very poor in institutions misting hannah so you can see markings in different way on individuals. but i mean also being right on the other here in for instance if prison invasion especially people in our changing very bad environment what stops them from reacting to normal life when they're out. well i think everyone tries to that is exceptionally difficult and once released. it in there's a break in your comment in fantasy implementable have never been in the labor market prior to their incarceration especially people who go in interviews thinking what that means to going in and your early adulthood those are money apprentices in

these main opportunities to learn skills are happening in society so they're removed from match people who do have skills those skills can marry because not. one in prison so makes reentry increasingly difficult social networks and other thing need to tweak mine a person is in prison they don't have the same connections in the outside world and many times during re-entry you can't connect with other persons who have been incarcerated or have a criminal record as as a condition of your release so we see a variety of factors that impact individual answer that they're not sent out for say sas post release as a result whereas the statistics show that longer and her share sentences cause greater personality changes in prisoners and increased the risk of actually then turning to crime again so we have there are actually completely correct. i've seen many persons who go in have longer sentences when it comes to mind one

they know a lot of people are aging of criminality the way that we receive aging and happen in our time of the monies and among older individuals and i wouldn't say that a long prison term would generally be tied to best as our share. very even a harsh and prison term and wouldn't actually affiliate with a higher chance of recidivism i haven't seen stats on actually makes that correlation that specifically re because i've while i was a research for this interview made him across. one of the statistics it may not be true so there may be thing that on one hand are really bad actions cause for severe punishment and it should in those justice but there is severe punishment leaves very little chance for a true every location of the offender it is my question leading up to whatever seems what is still the priority for a prison system i mean right now it's keeping coded into the institutions to be

honest but i think the priority wants to be in many cases they want to be rehabilitated they want to provide a venue or a space in which people can recognize the consequences of their actions and then move forward in ways that are pro-social it's just that's not the actual case and what tends to happen and then obviously there's the public reaction rate because if the prison system starts to truly care about the rehabilitation of criminals there's a what will the public say because we have someone does something who are it and then we leave them hot soup invariably for class players money surely most societies when agree to that. i think it. i think that's the biggest challenge like the piano practice in any country or any space is very reflective of how the public views individuals so if you're living in a society that now lies as individuals who are and ensures that criminalized

persons remain criminalized it's very difficult to create a supportive environment for reentry and that's one of the things they are looking at a person who commits a crime or we take it in and we don't look at the context of the situation everything else happening that you don't have any ability to blend as a society that is going to be a barrier to their reentry they're not going to have opportunities they're going to be limited in who they can interact and it's going to increase in the challenging those who are going to take a short break right now when we come back we'll continue talking about where the gun is friends currently in place actually make society safer talking to a brother richard ayoade who logic ordinator moral universe and he'll give all and is a seat center director of the canadians to the use of public safety research in treatment stating this.

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back with rosemary richard daley queer knology coordinator of the moral university of new england associates i wanted to garrick to read the canadian study of about 80 research and treatment we're talking about whether it's currently in place actually made society safer and better rosemary but slow continue a bit with a societal line since we're trying to understand whether presidents are should be

a tool for retribution or reputation but isn't the idea of reputation of a criminal in itself a bit forward i mean surely the perpetrators is in the victim here right so really they're not the ones needing rehabilitation are they well. i think if i syrian crackly is you're saying only look at a perpetrator of a crime ah act on how do we get the sympathy for that person is also a victim in britain need everything and the reality is one he look at prison is a colleague of mine who's doing research and in our in alberta bronzer she found that upwards we are 90 percent of the persons incarcerated and explains the 1st council events if you look at the leading edge condition i guess the health condition in macking persons who are incarcerated in our federal system it's brain injuries. so they have an individual with a brain injury that is led in and it's tied to their criminality i think society esther recognize that it's much more complex people's behaviors are not necessarily

reflective of what they want to do they aren't in there and intent many times they are there moments and reasoned if we can do more for these individuals to be preventative future incidents i think a society will benefit because they can be law abiding citizens for contributing to the labor market in the economy. where being ready of taking someone who got lost committed a crime once siro out of desperation sounds very compassionate but you know a lot of people who end up in prison are not interested in becoming better in what i mean is it like i hear you when you say you know when you look at these interviews people's history like you usually see that you know they don't have good childhood and they have you know problems growing up but then a lot of people who have problems in childhood and growing up but they don't end up in criminals you know what i mean so yes so at that a lot of people my point is like they are not just not interested in becoming

better and this state is basically giving them away from us from a cynical realistic point of view and i'm playing devil's advocate here isn't it like too naive to think that you know hardened criminals will sincerely change you they treat them nice. i believe everyone has the potential for to systems and it's not just a maturing rakhine really are and are being as it is that lends an understanding that allows us to understand what are the sort of risk factors in preventive factors around an individual's cannot behaviors and how do we see and of course is a person in this i see this all the time i am not an abolitionist i don't believe in abolishing prisons i believe that we should change the form function of prison but there are certain individuals who do need to remain in prison because they pose a risk to our society but they wrestle at their smaller number than what we have in our institutions now and there comes a time i've talked to many what you would call a hardened criminal who over a period of time get to a point where they're not interested in that lifestyle anymore and that's when the

punishment the ability to change comes from not everyone's going to be ready right away in a short sentence someone being inside for 2 months what's that really going to do it's not it's not savings it's it's spending taxpayer dollars they're not getting treatment is not even long enough for a treatment program so what are the what are we doing by that kind of incarceration and then of course like we also have. prisons like in norway they have a maximum security joint it looks more like and i lowkey hotel rather than if risen and inmates have privacy and are allowed to make stary their own food etc. you say you look at brave a killer who's committed one of the most horrific crimes and he's you know even if you live quietly raise many festivals out of prison put in the internet and the maximum prison sentence in norway is every 21 years and it has the lowest

reaffirming rate in the world do you think maybe norway way is a bad scenario for prisoners elsewhere. any the nuneaton this is in the region prisons in norway still has a maxim 6. the institutions or all of their institutions are sort of the image of the nourishing prison that we see they still rock saloons to max and secure institutions that are you know cell phones and bars and everything else they also have a market as norway's as as a society is also more in grace of persons and recognizes that it's in that society has a role in in the actions underpinning anality and is more receptive to persons during re-entry there and vantages and really great things in the narry gin system so there's also downfalls there's debt that presently prison with debt there's a lot of focus on the reentry processes and they have high sentencing rates in the last community sentences like there are challenges with that system as well it's

not as exceptional as perhaps it's presented it will be at the canadian system our minimum security federal institutions and new premier in advance there are mentioned townhouses. so it's a very and i've had people tell me that in movement from a muslim to median to a minimum is at that median where the security is gone and they don't have the same threat in and risk for it to my nation and they're actually able to come to terms and deal with the incidents that resulted in our sarafian there's a lot of anxiety and hard feelings that are married and they're able to actually take the time to earn their sentencing and it's areas where in their own countries like mary states and there is the pain in their their death sentence or putting someone their way through a lie are needed for deterring serious criminals doing it out point. i don't think prison is a deterrent in any way and i think the religious supports that it's not the other

thing that i read question there is if an individual committed a crime so he's taken individual community crime trauma. in 20 years later when that individual is 40 are you still punishing the person who committed the crime or is the person being punished for something that they were a completely different person at the time one doesn't expire one is a person's actions no longer what we need to judge them for on an everyday basis so that if we think of ourselves like in the back to things i did in my twenty's i would want to know for that phrase in our twenty's in an inner teen's allan's in time circumstances can evolve and with prisoners with any criminals person that one out determines who they are moving forward and the holmes is going to commit a crime at 20 and they can be $65.00 and we still look at them as as that 20 year old who committed acts. who does it expire what is the what is the process one can a person a dense fire show change. but i know that the consequences of committing

a crime will be soft that i'm not in real danger would there be more previous posts actually going through the crime. the search does suggest that deterrence that punishments like that don't don't serve as deterrents be an enemy as most people don't view themselves as following in that trajectory and most crimes are not planned with intent. you know the beer and protest sort of brief new life into the prison opposition movement and you said you don't believe in their career but the movement main goal is to final turn is jim prison 1000000 punishment what could a layman i really think the movement's goals of finding alternatives to punishment and not just punishment alternatives to the whole carswell entity i just would not advocate for the pure abolition prisons the one they are the single one meal it could be alternatives be realistically speaking there's

a lot we can do with parser ation there's a lot we can do with not holding people in prison he did not commit violent offenses and don't pose a threat to society he can release and it has been in different contexts is no need for like intermittent sentences people who research weekends beginning in society are weak why they need to be in prison on weekends and there's other types of monitors a lot of front and back and sentencing that can be done from 10 being like released on released on bail on alternatives to the entire punitive system of treatment courts angle to treatment programs instead of an arse or a sion if you know there's a variety of different structures in place that we can lose instead of turn towards imprisonment and then our bad and people do serve time in prison we need to do want to invest in their reintegration in that includes investing in the person supporting their reintegration so that they have. the capability as an er in a state where they're in will to do that with the needed resources. and also we are

in the senate criminal behavior is often rooted in power to abuse in childhood like you've heard of all kinds of things. taking in this era can there even be another concept of justice that does not revolve around retribution and i didn't issue a little bit with this in the time between poverty ending our suroosh and criminality is one of the things as there are many people who live in degrees of ari who don't turn to crime and there are many very affluent white collar crime is a huge huge portion of what my absence but he is nonviolent so doesn't result in the same like the prison sentences so anything any gets complicated to make those kind of on correlations i think you have to be a bit cautious in doing that because it's email get better who actually talk to people and hear their stories of what resulted in a in behavior you know sometimes it's just less style and it's cyclical it can

be learned other times it can be something that happens an event or in the mood to motions in and certain things there's a lot of different reasons that people in the agents and i think if we try to overly dramatic correlation between poverty and crime the don't see the bigger picture and also falsely paints individuals who are experiencing poverty as susceptible to criminality and i didn't think that's the case but the question was do you think there can ever be any other concept of justice that doesn't necessarily revolve around retribution or is retribution the only concept of justice if i have all. i think there is and i think the restorative justice practices show you let me don't need. don't need retribution in order to justice so restorative practices even then that notion of going together based

on an offender for mediation it provides a different space now in order to look at how we move forward and i think these kinds of alternatives will release or people will be isn't i don't think most people want to see persons being tracked penalized for a specific action. but it has to be it's complicated because with prisons you have to balance the needs and the desires of the victims in nature the bonds didn't recognize they also to look at the person who did the ending and figure out you know what's leading now what challenges are there and had a move forward. where grocery bags were up for this one reason to our friends and so i heard bart's. best of luck with everything. thank you have a great day. take care.

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