it in climate controlled cases where more than 3000 years old. was your world news stories for this hour i'll be back with your world news headlines in just about 30 minutes so stay tuned. for. the welcome to worlds apart there is a saying here in russia that whenever teachers come together they're at least 3 opinions a testament fully borne out by the latest israeli elections which are to muzzle

flash and hearing resulted in yet another stalemate with now they're having parties actually just form a new government what does this new round of political and 2nd to mean for the country and the region as a whole well to discuss that and now joined by your purpose in your consulting research fellow at chatham house mr necker beck it's great to talk to thank you very much for your time thank you for having me now you know russian culture russian language is happily influenced by jewish humor but even if you're you know we're running out of jokes you talk about the situation in which 4 elections in 2 years fail to produce any electoral certainty how many more elections do you think it will take you take a break from campaigning at the trying to your normal boring government you know when you mentioned to jews. this isn't a. well that's for sure no not really if you can move

and i think this is an election or 3 election often election stolen election you need to you susan. move beyond iliana move. and see a selection see the end of the day it's easy to post a link to put it to sheen and it is simply not a select folder way to handle politics and especially the way you did i mean used to it and you know it is becoming who you guys you feel you go to school instead being made to be thinking. positioning them to boost their guns they met him said you know when people is so so cool communities so to change into the next you fire someone in their shoes then and they don't do that i assume that because should take some of the rules well disciplined severely to consensus if they won't to have smoke. let them vote you need to wait when we don't look at

them it won't in uniquely or ways that you do that. with a large number of people and everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion and now i imagine prime minister met me after and i think what makes the whole thing even more pungent is that israel's president will start meeting with political allies including and that we are. on the same day this coming monday as the prosecutor is a planning to sacristan to evidence in an it's not me at risk corruption trial janet leigh speaking i know that those things are not related but do you think they may spill into one another do you think to make inferences the way post-election saga is. unfolding based on their arm. they both say i'm only concerned you know the same and the same time and you know we were talking about their life to vote for whether you liked what this case decided nation of democracy would like to see

the celebration of democracy that sometimes following 2 years is so much of the senate many things we still. didn't exist have. one cool to all the seats the 2nd a 17 and then you if you listen listen been a little stunned that in 20 then it's almost the presented to you but i'm down this it isn't almost impossible to form a government who doesn't know we can simpler between the who option and fully government unions are nothing you know became the bottleneck roofie is a political issue or movement and no felicie what ation there is a government who should learn to fall through equal to. the division this addiction on this lead before who is not equal to. socialists then and capitalists those a simple piece of the palestinian salute danced between say a one but mid term you know those who say only that and you know. mystic meg robert

i know that many actors like you are blaming that for not standing down in the face of. corruption allegations as some of his predecessors have done before but so much of the current politics of all it is wrong but also rather well this based on those . true and claims character assassinations out you know indiana is about personal life isn't there any value in standing up for yourself in sending out for what you believe especially if you believe that you have done nothing wrong in their value for not only on israel but also the rest of the well and not only that would be fine also government because at the end of the day you should face. you know responsibility only if you are proven wrong by that or. the presumption of innocence and some besley citizen. will definitely do including the prime minister

no doubt about it but let me call it a young sense thing is full of foreign minister no donna was exactly in the same position and also such as. it is not it susan s. send and sending to jail. is it your content that you come to learn it can think so complicated country so many complex issue ones you all facing own co-option this is one think so do it issue too should do it here surely you understand the adult has a very cool ass to pull of the capital letter let's put it that way so he can think very well i doubt if corner statements to their credit situation as maybe politicians do i mean it's not him on a day that i can be reflexive. so simple so flexible they'll explain about the as little sex but more likely to look at the facts not in your influences

never denied it you go champaign and see gods they claim with it's a come along now i'll sit for a moment points of view because i don't know no one sends me this lead 100002 well still see goals and show enjoy the full goosen only because you come to anything for their alleged leader time missile do something he had a conversation with be a clue about their waste. into in the media. and allegedly though some exchange will fade who's there so we need to put it as a no no don't write me on at our game now is trying to mimic what of public opinion that where the public opinion i mean the river very different burdick for very different people and it could be extremely extremely damaging for our government as a whole if any allow that to happen so again as painful as it is shouldn't believe that up to that or not at all. this is not public opinion this is not

clinching go for it and no results are going to to it can go hold so against the time you know this is full use of investigation to listen to suggestions by the police or commendation the police. by the attorney general did she in says they're going to because you will so that you will be easy and the relative you've been easy on him and he says i know you can cope testing being gay they were sitting south why not so let's not get ahead of that there is no important point he is circumventing the entire political system to tie to delay the coke 6 that's what he's doing he's appointing justice ministers and policemen and ministers it's our turn to do anything he incites against the judges in cycles and he will and it was involved in these types this is exactly why. we should not be in

this position any fees if he's if he's found in the sense. that all of that now yes we should focus a little bit because that what's interesting to me about this whole thing is that in some countries including my own russia for sure at this kind of election it's addition or election infighting would have had resulted in a major and major social disturbance this especially in the midst of a local pandemic that looking from the outside israel seems to be doing relatively well i mean it has their eyes that per capita that's a nation at a rate in the world. is really really need it burden and government governments our government functions well because it's in that even with these squabble going on besides manages to self organize am i wrong but i think we are talking about you know i should say this that you're going to if there is some. and usually a long time is going to neuter conflict. you don't have 7 divisions folks for 5

minutes so i'm not so sure i suppose one and old even well as the baskin know so also didn't seem to me the best way to govern but since recall some are nice that you can govern a country may have a 6 months election you can go down to the wind but the day you see the results of day action. you can make. this film was kind of doesn't end if your going to let the law let alone it's actually encouraging some posts being uncalled for my as an almost everything politicizing cornice you in action easily study some serious issue with them to me doesn't condemn those you know on one of the issues neglected in the election they still ringback are listening to nixon then you love the j.c.b. you when you kill them and be sure that it will be soon got on the bull dept only

to a vision rift isn't it and you know who some ever heard a lot of service that went to tina's long standing israeli temporal and gas jewish parties forming at any sort of partnerships with. arab parties at base years a lateral outcome presents i think a very convenient very extended perhaps even a cynical opportunity all over commie east with a small islamist party in the united arab emirates securing 4 seats and a half of the belief that the atlas can punch his opponents really want to get but at the risk of losing other supporters is there a way of reconciling if it's a cake and having it seems they sink cynical politics reach and suck reducing good social outcomes. i don't dislike no and you know it's like humanity with you

the sense that you know he's he's also got i assure you know anything i can connect you to it's again and again and again no i don't like cynicism and being in politics i think we became too cynical but on this occasion i almost let it and place cynicism because there is this over manning and this is the must you must still manipulate all these early politics there must incite against against against their own xenu's or an outside palestinians all of a sudden well you know he's in the high school when he's in complete despair about islam right well of a sudden you goes and talks about how coding who you hear and you found the best friends of the by this in news that it's you know no one really believing that that's you legitimized you legitimise no sitting with that he's the one that he did it and wasteful so long so if you say i'm still here you should be alive so if you

are and in this sense i am blessed this is the statement writing only guessing this is going to sing these are early you know consented to have there should be no men i think this should be a bowl of jewish ulti news that if an ex the continental all of them in the same country we have to take a very short break right now but we will get back.

welcome back to worlds apart with yes a map or various in your consultant research for our i've kept house page mr mackall very intriguing as the israeli politics maybe most of us internationally i was primarily concerned with its regional and global implications and there are some education that they buy that ministration may be interested in reviving the israeli policy and out within the framework of the 2 state solution do you think it's still possible substantively possible of

a chart we've been sucked into where possible something that may actually result in real outcomes is it possible while now in the apple still in power. is the exclusive question and what happened when it comes to this ridiculous stimulations by going. from the previous administration. and being made by previous administration as a result of food you almost need to libya to be full and talking about the fact that peaceful nice to do with the issue of the palestinians the issue of jerusalem . they didn't just those 2 state solution how do relief funds luma and so on and so forth now the question is dividing the administration is the weird and i'm going to move off such rules under the more than 550000 people in the united states and still surging in in in the united states

is he going to need to do this whole time she was the vice president you in day care initiative not to die much and then months of consultant ethel's more nothing i doubt he's going to devote so much time to these really since you only done certain things to cause the real issue of the palestinians and she was easily so watching to see regional reaction think she'd say now before we discuss any of the jeopardy questions let me ask you a lot about these are personal cannister because that many other problems with donald trump is still fresh in their memory as i think if they're rather chilly relationship with barack obama given how long will that be apple and biden have been in power what they have said in the past that they have valid past that how often they change their minds on set issues what do you think their relationship is

likely to be a personal relationship personal than average this is. there was an insane they know me want to end the war spitting image of the pope you know this though we've seen enough on the other hand that i know it was because of they did this. info to tell if your family was quite a glance it was because you didn't know what comes next they will buy. then you get sent in to be a bad move necessarily to sit and not at all to see biden is this ability of students politician you knows all the tricks that netanyahu spoiling one after another isp all these new data and now you know some forwards and senate amendment . and he's implicitly reason fables of peace force 'd to some 2 state solution that he knows that and i know you're doing anything. but he's ready to conform and you know this case will not affect those that i'm not so sure going to materialize now

i'm sure you know that it's the plan of 7 days for joe biden to place his 1st phone call to that jannat me apparatus aren't you that after reaching out to president putin of russia being of china reach in diplomatic terms is not a trifle what kind of signal do you think the bottom is restriction was trying to start with but this for a long delay in case anyone things that just assumes find nathaniel's on number it was not. obvious i'm sure sure it wasn't on the song when someone. is sent to sing you don't. because in relation to your. going to talk to me karen and i have different agenda and you look for my agenda and not necessarily the supporters that i'm dying to up junior selection the supporters that i'm looking for and my mother nature you by them not going to be more than one tell

them you tell me. so in the sense. you still play a role here to piece the relations with between these assembled since all us who is the palestinians. or who almost friendly terms. here's some of the windscreen to come back on this agenda then you know is not totals judge and no 2 is a good solution though i still focus on many issues but this statement 'd to nathaniel be silly to you and use this as you. well i wanted there oh how serious that signal really was because i mean if we really look seriously why didn't ministration has already adopted some of the tribes approaches it professed its irony kalat commitment to israel security it's not in their rush to do some of trump's policies

i mean after all least postering out because after you know general let's you know not calling somebody for 27 days is cheap i mean like it's it's impressive but if you don't have to pay much for that don't you think that with all his history and perhaps because of all his history it that map would still be at relatively calm * * the full partner for the biden administration. i think i'm to listen it's an f. usually calls to the united states sometimes local news unsuccessful constant familiar politicians they sometimes the men they just manipulate them a. moment morgan these and anything except that this is one thing and in that you know it's was a trick yet there was a signal especially when you make sure that it knows that you have been closed and then you can yell and ministration book about jiggling tweeted it so it means it's meant something to bear and the end the end this is this is this message. don't

expect to die metal if you don't because they see it's because they'll go and call that if you're not sitting. opposite policies get it as far as i'm concerned there is not change in practical trucks full of lively it's more nuanced for instance when he said mrs just to get palestinians to anyone use some of the 8 mysterious this entities did the students themselves summed it up. best new this is far from being good enough i would like to see united states is marching poles in a peaceful cess that ensured 2 state solution a fair and just solution but imo that naive does seem to be going to happen overnight if you look at the election the news or at issue technically out of the equation the majority of limitless knesset on the contestant and in the just in final solution with the mysterious if you look at the decisions among the palestinians it's been the hamas and the and who is big in gaza the inability to

lose any semblance of unity it doesn't help and they also seem to lessen international community so by dint of mr ation thing and my fuel being the dead and all i want but let me ask you about another potential mate that forced. not to me after remained correct mystically cried after the bottom administration showed inclinations arrive at the iranian nuclear deal that. that was interesting because. i cannot believe that their various positions of the a.j.c. affair. has suddenly changed that is out of the question so how do you explain this set your direction would it be that. simply doesn't seem my chance all or much result on the on the part of much ability for that matter on the part of your white house of actually moving the iranian issue here any further than simply

stated if statements of intent. well. said leo not he seems it and you know he's busy a guy who is not just this state that was he says at this year's miss most are concerned when what happened in coach next week then what happened in the way the legion is going to win this thing and that's what he is suggesting that i'm the place you're suggesting this is it should be a standard shape but at the same time i think. he's biting son because you want to see what's the next move because as much as as much as we expect biden to be much most considered solution you know international business can a little bit all guns blazing some fuss like it more than not that although many fold fails he shoots and are still waiting to see what will be in some of these call ins and also for all the other live under the accounts on the other hand they need to

return to the just use a new poll don't want to do is go off was a huge unstick bite by bite united states levis in unique us trying to improve it why not if you haven't but it has to be done. and one of them for me to make sure we shoes of the j.c. buring if you can go far enough in terms of making one comes action but also to musician the relations. putting exactly the lines when the international community won't all its behavior not only in nuclear when developing long lens but the statements of syria and lebanon on if an informed educated at the kitchen sink again that. israeli strategy that i don't think i've raging at that for this is a few times and i know from him that the us army like this will not go down well with the iranians now i want to ask you one more question about the ad market because you were wrong before that it is lots of good but it ministrations to quote

restore america's credibility deficit in the middle east kate. according to your was exacerbated by the trumpet restoration that in my humble opinion it was totally wracked by the previous administrations because of what happened in libya and syria i don't think there is much. belief in america strategic action if it ever existed i don't think any of that is law not only in america's adversaries or you know opposing forces but also among america's own partners just how exactly do you think that by the administration can't restore this quote unquote. how did you call it credibility deficit that america supposedly possesses and in the middle is going to fare. as if it was someone who is specs to me will they send anything to you fellows but now i think i use you don't i think what you say

about going to your living if i don't mind syria i seem to actually president putin money moves. if the united states is there and i seem to. be still the screw the ability to call new movie rules docile. bush. you don't need the i.c.c. our ability i mean let's define the terms here because at credibility as far as i am concerned to something that you know you may disagree to the person or in a country but at least you see the bill or take all throughout what they're doing as far as a rush is concerned there's absolutely no logic in what the americans are trying to do in the middle east and no rational explanation. other than national suppose i'm in this regime in syria which would be unacceptable to most the fust how we're supposed to lose him to you he's a sponsor there's all this is hundreds of this is just you know right here or a fight. here it reached its east. which if that chances of existence are

secured by at least half. i had some sort of governance that are going to be changed later but securing the space and that is that it would place the place of. any strange man is under the auspices of the i.c.c. and there's you under suppose 'd illusion. is that he's a sponsor bursal such atrocities although the last 10 years i think should take stock of. what i do think and this is an important issue because i'm actually a good person and you know what happened to me get a me heard that same rhetoric from people like you from the american leaders even from the israeli leaders and usually be abaddon out without get awfully isn't bad and our serious united states shari's why why does it have to be bad personalities here discussing international affairs and how they have back no me in this particular country is that the rest of the world and there is i don't believe you

can make an argument like you had. with all due respect either smashy story and this effect then you're going to there's a national basis i understand russian interest and i don't dispute it isn't goggles bottleful are still inclinations and institution conflictual between the united states and russia as each other the interest and the respect and the theatres to do to be done just to be conducted in diplomacy and politics can. justify the conflict all cities may need to risk go also. and when the united states also or there still is the defense of human rights of defending liberal democratic values it was also a story this was later ok well my only concern is how many more millions of lives that plan to take with me don't have time to distract them yet i have i really appreciate your being with us today and thank you for the your spirit argument thank you very much for having been so it's

a pleasure and thank you for watching i hope to see you again next week on all of them hard. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy going foundation let it be an arms race in his own spearing dramatic development only mostly i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very

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