actions which demands of a rational airing resulted in yet another stalemate what now in parties actually just more money a government what does this new round of political asset for the country and the region as a whole will discover that i'm now joined by your cynical practicing it consultant research fellow at chatham house with an acrobat it's great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you for having me not enough russian culture russian languages have really influenced by jewish humor but even here you know we're running out of jokes to talk about the situation in which 4 lashins in 2 years fail to produce any electoral certainty how many more elections do you think it will take this year take a break from campaigning add the trying to your normal boring government you know when you mentioned to jews being in space isn't it. well that's for

sure out of those who really if you can more and i think this is a reflection of election after election so lectionary in 2 years and look beyond ileum of possibility and 6 election you see at the end of the day it's easy to blame the politicians and it is sort of not a select holder way to handle politics and especially the way that i'm used to it and you know this becoming who you guys you feel you know that small instead being made everything is. the intergroup of the country that said you know when people are social communities. so to change into the next you face one election then another and they don't do that because should take some of the rules all the responsibility themselves if they won't to have smoke. let them vote you know. if you wait when we don't mean it won't in

uniquely or ways that you do that. with a large number of people and everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion and now i imagine prime minister netanyahu and i think what makes the whole thing even more pungent is that israel's president will start meeting with political quite exciting and that we are. on the same day this coming monday as the prosecutor is a planning to sacristan to evidence in an it's not me at risk corruption trial janet leigh speaking i know that those things are not related but do you think they may spill into one another do you think to make inferences the way post-election saga is. unfolding based on there are. mostly only concurrent you know the same and the same time and you know we were talking about this like 2 votes for whether you liked what this case decided nation of democracy would like to see the

celebration of democracy but sometimes for them to use so much of the senate many things we still didn't. didn't exist have one cool to all the seats the 2nd decision team and then you if you listen listen then else under 1020 then it's almost presented to them down this it isn't almost impossible to form a government who doesn't know we can simpler between the who option right and fully government unions are. became the bottleneck roofie is a politics if you remove it and you know fully see what ation there is a government to cement to fall through equal to. the division this addiction on this lead before who is not it will have to if the socialists then and capitalists those a simple piece of the policy and salute danced between say a one but mid-term you know. those who say only that and you know. mr mecklenburg i

know that many actors like you are blaming the acting out for not standing down in the face of. corruption allegations as some of his predecessors have done before but so much of the current politics not only it is wrong but also rather well this is based on those. true and claims character assassinations out you know indiana is about personal life isn't there any value in standing up for yourself in sending out for what you believe especially if you believe that you have done nothing wrong in their value for not only israel but also the rest of the well and not only people would be fine also governments because at the end of the day you should face. you know responsibility only if you're proven wrong by that or. they're presumptuous in a sense and some israeli citizen why do you do including the prime minister no

doubt about it but let me quote me to young to send its full pardon mr o'donnell was exactly in the same position and also such a citizen edition of send and sending to. is it your content that you come to learn to come to it's so complicated country so many complex issue once you all facing only one co-option this is one think so do it issue 2 should do addition or only you understand you have a has a very cool ass to pull of the cabbie a liberal it's pretty bad ways he can think very well i doubt if corner statements to the current situation as many politicians do i mean it's not him on him doing that i can be reflective. so simple so flexible their beliefs place in but yes a little sex may be more likely to look at the facts then your choices never. the

night that you go champaign and see goats they claim with lisa come along now i'll sit for a moment point of view because i don't know no one sends me this lee 100002 also see goals and show enjoy full goosen only because i've come to anything for their alleged leader time missile could do something he had a conversation with be a clue about their waste. in there in the media. and allegedly though some exchange will fade who's there so we need to put it as a no no. arguing now is trying to mimic what of public opinion that where the public opinion i mean the river very different verdicts are very different people and it could be extremely extremely damaging for our government as a whole if any allow that to happen so again as painful as it is shouldn't believe that up to that or not until it. this is not public opinion this is not

the sort clinching go flip that no results are 22 it can go cold so against the time you know this is full use of investigation do you listen to this edition of commendation police. by the attorney general did she instead of going to because you will so that you will be d.c. and the relative you've been easy on him. now in cold temps to be gay the former sittings at one of the let's not get ahead of that there is no important point he is circumventing the entire political system to tie to delay the co who kicks that's what he's doing he's appointing justice ministers and policemen and means it's time to do anything he incited against the judges in cycles and he will and it was involved in this like this exactly why. he should not be in this position

any fees if he's if he's found in the sense. of all of that now i guess we should focus a little bit because what's interesting to me about this whole thing is that in some countries including my own russia for sure at this kind of election i dish it out for election infighting would have had resulted in a major and major social disturbances especially in the midst of a local pandemic that looking from the outside israel seems to be doing relatively well i mean it has their eyes that per capita that's a nation at a rate in the well. israel really need it permanent government governance or government to function well because it's in that even with these squabble going on besides manages to self organize am i wrong but i think we are talking about you know i should say you since you are going to a certain. and usually a long time is going to neuter counseling and these are you don't have 77 spoke for

5 minutes so i'm not so sure i suppose one and old even well as the baskin know so also didn't seem to me the best way to govern but since recall some miss that you can govern it comes when you have a 6 month selection under who comes there when but the day you see the results of dish and you can make. this from table will kind of doesn't end if you don't go into full length a lot left alone is actually encouraging some posts being in control almost everything politicising coolness you in action easily so he sinks susi issue with them to me doesn't condemn those you know on one of the issues neglected in the election they still listening to next and then use their j.c.b. they knew we should on the civil list soon got on the bull dept only to

a vision really isn't it and you know who some ever heard a lot of service that went to tina's long standing israeli temporal and gas jewish parties forming at any sort of partnerships with. arab parties at base years a lateral outcome presents i think a very convenient very extended perhaps even cynical opportunity all over commie east with a small islamist party in the united arab emirates securing 4 seats and a half of that belief that the atlas can punch his opponents really want to get but at the risk of losing other supporters is there a way of reconciling it it's a cake and having it. they sink cynical politics reach and suck reducing good social outcomes. i don't dislike nothing you know just like you nancy want you

to listen. you know he's also got i assure you know anything you can connect to it's again and again and again no i don't like cynicism and in politics i think we became too cynical but on this occasion i almost let it and play cynicism because there is this so commanding and this is the must you must feel when you're late all these early politics there must incite against you get is that i was in news and outside the palestinians all of a sudden well you know he's in the high school when he's in complete despair about islam right well you goes and talks about how coding you eat and you have the best friends of the news that you know no one really really think that that's you legitimized you legitimise know sitting with oh he's the one that he did use in my school so long so if you say i'm still here you should be alive so if you are and in this sense i am blessed this is the statement writing the only thing that is

going to sing these are the descendants of the should because you know men i think this should be a bowl of jewish. that's the next the coming to all of them in the same kinds that we have to take a very short break right now but we will get that. for all those drone baldrick. no dairy thing. we dared to ask.

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welcome back to worlds apart. in your consultant research fellow at chatham house page mr mccullough very intriguing ads really politics maybe most of us internationally are. primarily concerned with its regional and global implications and there are some education that the biden administration may be interested in reviving israeli policy and out within the framework of the 2 state solution do you think it's still possible substantively possible alternate shortly but subsequent to where possible something that may actually result in real outcomes is a. possible while many apple's power. is exclusive question and

what happened when it comes to the israeli palestinian relations but inhabited so much else some from the previous administration every president mr. and being made by previous administration as a result will feed you almost need to libya be full of talking about the fact that he's to do with the issue of the palestinians the issue of jerusalem. they didn't just those 2 state solution how do we fund luma and so on and so forth now the question is dividing the administration is the we did that and i'm going to move off such a rule spending. more than 550000 people in the united states and still surging in in in the united states is he going to need to do this whole time she was the vice president you in there carry an issue not to come up and then months

of consultant ethel's nothing i doubt he's going to devote so much time to these really since the only down certain things to be is the real issue of the palestinians and she was so easily so watching to see regional elections and so she'd say now before we discuss any of the jeopardy questions let me ask you a lot about these are personal cannister is that any other problems with donald trump is still fresh in the memory as i think if he is there rather chilly relationship with barack obama given how long ago that the apple and biden have been in power what they have said in the past where they have ballot that how often they change their minds on set issues what do you think their relationship is likely to be a personal relationship personal than average this is. there was an insane they know only one endorsed spitting image of the book you know this the we've seen

enough on the other hand that i knew it was because of they did this. info to tell if your family was quite a glance it was because you didn't know what comes the next day with by. then you get sent in to be a bad move necessarily to sit and not at all to see biden is this ability of students politician he knows all the tricks that netanyahu spoiling one after another isp always look the greatest and it's netanyahu knows and forwards and senate amendment. and he's in this is the reason fables of peace force 'd to some 2 state solution that he knows that and i know you're doing anything. but he's ready to conform to no this case will not affect those that i'm not so sure going to materialize now i'm sure you know that if you plan a 7 days for joe biden to place his 1st phone call to that in that me apparatus

aren't you that i have to reaching out to president putin of russia being of china reach in diplomatic terms is not a trifle what kind of signal do you think the bottom is restriction was trying to start with but this for a long delay in case anyone things that just assumes find nathaniel's on number it was not. obvious i'm sure sure it wasn't on the someone somewhere. he sent assuming you don't. because in relation to your. going to talk to. different agenda and you look for my agenda and not necessarily the supporters that some doubt to a junior selection the supporters that i'm looking for and my mother like triodes biden not going to be more than one tell me tell me. so in the sense natanya still play

a role here to piece the relations with between these as and but it seems all us who is the palestinians who put them all or almost friendly terms. here's some of the ones curious to dump on this agenda the thing you know is not totals judge and you know to just listen to i still focused on many issues but this statement 'd to nathaniel be silly to you and use this as you. know i wanted there oh how serious that signal really was because i mean if we really look seriously if i didn't ministration has already adopted some of the tribes approaches it professed its irony kalat commitment to israel security it's not in their rush to do some of trump's policies i mean after all these postering out because after you know you're a let's you know not calling somebody for 27 days is cheap i mean like it's it's

impressive but if you don't have to pay much for that don't you think that with all his history and perhaps because of all his history at that map would still be at relatively calm * the full partner for the biden administration. i think listening to your few phone calls to the united states sometimes local news unsuccessful consumer to familiar politicians they sometimes the men they just manipulate them a. moment more than these and only the extent that this this one thinks i am that you know it's was a trick yet there was a signal especially when you make sure that it knows that you have been close and then you can yell and ministration book about jiggling tweeted it so it means it's meant to bear and the end the end this is this is this message. don't expect to die mental if you don't because they only see it's because they'll go and call that if you're not. opposite policies but as far as i'm concerned there is not change in

practical trunks full lives it's more nuanced for instance when your way said mrs just to get palestinians to anyone you some of the 8 mysterious this entities did this then stem cells summed it up. best new this is far from being good enough i would like to see united states is marching both in a peaceful cess that ensured 2 state solution a fair and just the notion but i'm loathe it naive to assume that this going to happen overnight if you look at the election is are at issue technically out of the equation the majority of lindelof knesset on looking distant and they just invent a solution with a mysterious if you look at the decisions among the palestinians it's been the hamas and the and who is big in gaza the inability to lose any semblance of unity it doesn't help and they also seem to lessen the international community so by dint of mr ation thing and my fuel being the dead and all i want but let me ask you

about another potentially that forced. not to me after remained correct mystically cried after the bottom of ministration showed inclinations arrive at the iranian nuclear deal that. that was interesting because. i cannot believe that their various positions of the j.c. appear j.c. v.o.a. have suddenly changed that is out of the question so how do you explain this said you'd reaction wouldn't be that you. were simply it doesn't seem my chance all or much result on that on the part of much ability for that matter on the part of your white house of actually the rain is shared any further than you know simply state if statements of intent. well. said leo not he seems it in time you know he's busy

a guy who is not just this state that was he says at this year's miss most are concerns when will happen in quotes next week then what happened in the way the legion is going to win this thing and that's what he is suggesting that none of this you're suggesting this is the issue because then you can say but at the same time i think. he's biting son because they want to see what's the next move because as much as as much as we expect biden to be much most considered solution to your new international business kennedy should be told guns blazing some fuss like it more than not that although many fold fails he shoots and are still waiting to see what will be in some of these clones and also for all the other live under the accounts on the other hand they need to return to the just use a new poll who won do is off was a huge unstick bite by bite united states revising you eat us 92 important why

not if you haven't but it has to be done so any glimmer and one of them for me to make jewelry shoes of the j.c. buick if you can go far enough in terms of making one comes actual but also to musician the relations. putting exactly the lines when the international community won't all its own behavior not only a museum when developing long lens but this thickness of syria and lebanon even though i'm doing it at the kitchen sink again that. israeli strategy that i don't think i've raging at that when this is a few times and i know from him that the us army like this will not go down well with the iranians now i want to ask you one more question about the ad market because you're wrong before that it is that it bought it ministrations it quote restore america's credibility deficit in the middle east made. according to you was exacerbated by the trumpet restoration that in my humble opinion was totally

wracked by the previous administrations because of what happened in libya and syria i don't think there is much. belief in america strategic action if it ever existed i don't think any of that is left not only among america's adversaries or you know opposing forces but also among america's own partners just how exactly do you think that by an administrator can't restore this quote unquote. how do you pull it credibility deficit of america so ghostly possesses and in the middle is going to fare. as if it was some clueless specs to me will they send they think you fellows but now i think i use you don't i think what you say about going to your living if i don't bomb iran syria i seem to actually president putin move. if the united states is there and i seem to. be still the screw the

ability to called the movie docile. bush now senator you don't need the i.c.c. our ability i mean let's define the terms here because at credibility as far as i have concern to something that you know you may disagree to the person or in a country but at least you see the bill or take all throughout what they're doing as far as a rush is concerned there's absolutely no logic in what the americans are trying to do in the middle east and no rational explanation. on the other hand mattia suppose i'm in this regime in syria which would be unacceptable to most the fust i was supposed to lose him to userspace will do this is hundreds of this is us you're here for a fabulous experience here it reached its east. its best chances of existence are secured by at least half. i had some sort of governance that are going to be changed later but securing the space and that is that it would place the place of.

any strange man is under the auspices of the i.c.c. and there's you under suppose illusion. is that he's a sponsor bursal such atrocities although the last 10 years i think should they decide. what i do think and this is an important issue because i'm actually a good person and you know what happened to me get amy heard that same rhetoric from people like you from the american leaders even from the israeli leaders and usually be abaddon out without get awfully isn't bad and our serious united states shari's why does it have to be bad personalities we're discussing international affairs and how they have back no me in this particular country is that the rest of the world and there is i don't believe you can make an argument like you had. with all due respect to the snake she story and this effect then you're going to there's a national basis i understand national interest and still you don't dispute it

isn't goggles bottleful are still inclinations and institution conflictual between the united states and russia as each other the interest and the respect and the fetus to do to be done is just to be conducted in diplomacy and politics can. justify the country that all cities we need to risk go also live in when the united states also are there still is this and this is defense of human rights of the offending people who can look at it but it was also a story this was later ok well my only concern is for many more millions of lives that's plan to take but we don't have time to discuss them yet i am i really appreciate your being with us today and thank you for the a spirit argument thank you very much for having that so it's a pleasure and thank you for watching i hope to see you again next week on all of them hard.

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