there is a saying here in russia that whenever teachers come together there are at least 3 opinions and a testament fully borne out by the latest israeli elections which are muscle for lashon airing resulted in yet another stalemate what now in parties actually just form a new government what does this new round of political and 17 mean for the country and the region as a whole will discover that i'm now joined by your a practicing it consultant research fellow at chatham house with an acrobat it's great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you for having me not enough russian culture russian languages have really influenced by jewish humor but even here you know we're running out of jokes to talk about the situation in which 4 lashins in 2 years fail to produce any electoral 2nd how many more elections do you think it will take this year take a break from campaigning add the trying to your normal boring govern you know when

you mentioned 2 jews getting into this isn't it. well that's for sure out of those who really if you can more and i think this is a reflection of election after election so lectionary in 2 years and look beyond the reanimate. selection at the end of the day it's easy to blame the politicians and it is sort of a lot of. older way to handle politics and especially the way that i mean used to it and you know it's become who you guys you figure that small instead. be thinking . of the country that said you know when people are so cynical to me. so to change to the next you face one election then another and they don't do the. because should take some

of the rules well disciplined severely to themselves if they won't who have smoked . let them vote you know to wait when we don't look at them with wanting to clear ways that you can do that. with a large number of people and everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion and now i imagine prime minister met me after and i think what makes the whole thing even more pungent is that israel's president will start meeting with political quite exciting and that we are. on the same day this coming monday as the prosecutor is a private sector scenting evidence in an it's not me at risk corruption trial janet leigh speaking and all of those things and all the related but do you think they may spill into a one another do you think to make inferences the way post-election saga is. unfolding based on their arm. mostly i'm only concerned now the same and the same

time and you know we were talking about this like 2 votes for whether you liked what this case decided nation of democracy would like to see the celebration of democracy that sometimes following 2 years is so much of the senate many things we so david. did exist have one cool to all the seats the 2nd decision team and then you if you listen listen then else under 1020 then it's almost presented to you but i'm down this it isn't almost impossible to form a government who doesn't know we can simply between the who option and fully government unions are netanyahu became the bottleneck roofie is a politics if you remove it and you know fully see what ation there is a government who should lead to fulfill equal to. the division this addiction on this lead before who is not it will have to if there are so. then the capitalists

the so-called peace with the palestinians salute danced between say a one but mid term you know those who say only that and you know. mr mecklenburg i know that many actors like you are blaming that for not standing down in the face of. corruption allegations as some of his predecessors have done before but so much of the current politics not only it is wrong but also rather well this based on those. cruel and claims character assassinations out you know indiana is about personal life isn't there any value in standing up for yourself in sending out for what you believe especially if you believe that you have done nothing wrong in their value for not only israel but also the rest of the well and not only will it be fine also governance because at the end of the day you should face. you know responsibility only if you're proven wrong by the poor. there presumption of

innocence and so as lee citizen. will definitely do including the prime minister no doubt about it but let me call it to your own sense then it's only a party mr know donna was exactly in the same position and also such a citizen susan as you send and sending to j. is it your content that you come to learn that country is so complicated country so many complex issue once you all facing own co-option this is one think so do it issue to you should do it here surely you understand you who has a very cool ass to pull of the calculator let's put it that way so he can think very well i doubt if the corner statements to the crowd situation as it may politicians do i mean is not at all in doing that i can be reflexive. so simple so

flexible they'll explain about the as little sex but more likely to look at the facts now than your phyllis's never denied it you go champaign and see god they claim with lisa come along now i'll sit for a moment points of view because i don't know no one sends me this lee 100002 well still see goals and show enjoy full goosen only because i've come to anything for their alleged leader time missile do something he had a conversation with be a clue about their waste into in the media. and should leave though some exchange will fade her steps so we need to put it as a no no. mommy and me at our game now is trying to mimic what of public opinion that where the public opinion and i meet the river very different verdicts for very different people and it could be extremely extremely damaging for our government as a whole if any allow that to happen so again as painful as it is should believe

that up to that or not at all it. this is not public opinion this is not clinching go for an attorney no results are going to to if they can go hold so against the time you know this is full use of investigation do you listen to this edition of commendation police. by the attorney general did she in says they're going to because you will so that you will be d.c. and the reality of your being easy and easy as i know you can cope testing be a group proceedings at why not so let's not get ahead of that there is no important point he is circumventing the entire political system to tie to delay the koch thinks this what he's doing is appointing justice ministers and policemen and meanest thing to do anything he incites against the judge you see in cycles and he

will and it was involved in these types this is exactly why. you should not be in this position any fees if he's if he's found in a sense. all of that now i guess we should focus a little bit because that what's interesting to me about this whole thing is that in some countries including my own russia for sure at this kind of election i dish it out for election infighting would have had resulted in a major and major social disturbance this especially in the midst of a local pandemic that looking from the outside israel seems to be doing relatively well i mean it has their eyes that per capita that's a nation at a rate in the well. israel really need it permanent government governance or government to function well because it's in that even with these squabble going on besides manages to self organize am i wrong but i think we are talking

about you know i should say you since you are going to a certain. and if a long time is going to neuter cons it then is that we don't have 77 spoke for 5 minutes so i'm not so sure i suppose one and old even well is the baddest grinnell so also didn't seem to be the best way to govern but since recall some miss that you can govern it comes when you have a 6 months election you can go down to the wind but the day you see the results of danish. you can make. this from tape will kind of goes in the end if you're going to float left a lot left alone is actually including some posts being uncalled for my as an almost everything politicizing cornice you in action easily study some serious issue with them to me doesn't condemn those you know on one of the issues neglected

in the election they still are listening to nixon then you love the j.c.b. you hate the new kill them and be sure that it will be soon got on the bull dept only to a vision rift isn't it and you know who some ever heard a lot of service that went to tina's long standing israeli temporal and gas jewish parties forming at any sort of partnerships with. arab parties at base years a lateral 'd outcome presents i think a very convenient very extended perhaps even a cynical opportunity all over commie based with a small islamist party in the united arab emirates securing 4 seats and a half of that belief that we have a scab on his opponents who really want to get but at the risk of losing other supporters is there a way of reconciling if it's a cake and having it's you seeing cynical politics reach and suck reducing

good social outcomes. i don't dislike no and you know it's like humans you want you to sense but you know he's he's also got i'm sure you know anything i can connect you to it's again and again and again no i don't like cynicism and been in politics i think we became too cynical but on this occasion i almost let it and play cynicism because there is this so commanding and saying this is the must you must still win you label these early call it it's there must incite against it against against their own xenu's or an outside palestinians all of a sudden well you know he's in the high school when he's in complete despair about this right well facade you goes and talks about how kowloon are who you eat and you have the best friends of the pundits in news that you know no one really living there but you legitimized you legitimise know sitting with that oh he's the one

that he did it in my school so long so if you so i'm still here you should be alive so if you want and in this sense i embrace this is the statement writing only i think this is going to sing these are early you know consented to have there should be no men i think this should be a bowl of jewish ulti news that if next the kowloon tillich's all of them in the same country we have to take a very short break right now but we will get that. they can.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confront dacian let it be an arms race in this on off and spearing dramatic development the only really i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk.

welcome back to worlds apart bit yes a map or various in your consulting research fellow at chatham house page mr mekel very intriguing as he's rarely politics maybe most of us internationally am. primarily concerned with its regional and global implications and there are some education that be vital that ministration may be interested in reviving the israeli policy and out within the framework of the state solution do you think it's still possible substantively possible lottery chartley but subtler possible something that may actually 'd result in real outcomes is it possible that the apple still in power. is the exclusive question and what happened when it

comes to this ridiculous stimulations by going. from the previous administration. and been made by previous administration as a result of food you almost need to libya to be full and talking about the fact that peaceful nice to do with the issue of the palestinians the issue of jerusalem. they didn't just those 2 state solution how do we fund woomera and so on and so forth now the question is dividing the administration is the weird engines in the middle such rules and. more than 550000 people in the united states and still surging in and in the united states is he going to need to do this whole time she was the vice president you in day care initiative not to die much and then months of consulted ethel's more nothing i doubt he's going to devote so much time

to these really since you only done certain things to be the real issue of the palestinians and she was easily so watching to see regional reaction and so she'd say now before we discuss any of the jeopardy questions let me ask you a lot about these are personal cannister because that many other problems with donald trump is still fresh in their memory as i think if they're rather chilly relationship with barack obama given how long ago that the apple and biden have been in power what they have said in the past where they have valid that how often they change that my onset issue what do you think their relationship is likely to be a personal relationship personal than average this is. there was an instinct they know me want to endorse speaking images of the pope you know this though we've seen enough on the other hand that i know it was because of they did this. info to tell

if your family was quite comprehensive and because you didn't know what's comes the next day with by. then you get sent in to be a bad look necessarily descent and not at all to see biden is this ability of students politician he knows all the tricks that netanyahu spoiling one after another isp always move the data and now he knows and forwards and it's amendment. and he's implicitly reason fables of peace for 'd some 2 state solution that he knows that and i know you're doing anything. but he's ready to conform and you know this case will not affect those that i'm not so sure going to materialize now i'm sure you know that it's to plan a 7 days for joe biden to place his 1st phone call to that in that me avatar an event after reaching out to president putin of russia being of china reach in

diplomatic terms is not a trial what kind of signal do you think the bottom is restriction was trying to start with but this for a long delay in case anyone things that just assumes find nathaniel's on number it was not. obvious i'm sure sure it wasn't on the someone somewhere. he sent assuming you don't. because in relation to your. going to go to. different agenda and you look for my agenda and not necessarily the so called those that come down to a junior selection the supporters that i'm looking for and my mother night you buy the i'm not going to be more than one tell them you tell me. so in the sense in it then you still play a role here to piece the relations with between these are symbolic since all us who

is the palestinians condemn all or almost friendly terms. here's some of the ones curious to dump on this agenda the thing you know is not totals judge and you know to see just to let you know i still focus on many issues but this statement 'd to netanyahu be silly to you and use this as you. feel i wanted there oh how serious that signal really was because i mean if we really look seriously why didn't ministration has already adopted some of the tribes approaches it professed its irony kalat commitment to israel security it's not in their rush to do some of trump's policies i mean after all least postering out because after you know after all that's you know not calling somebody for 27 days is cheap i mean like it's it's impressive but if you don't have to pay much for that don't you think that with all

his history and perhaps because of all his history at that map would still be at relatively calm * the well partner for the biden administration. home to listen to your favorite calls to the united states sometimes local news unsuccessful consumer to familiar politicians they sometimes even they just manipulate them in a. moment more than these and only the extent that this this one thinks and in that you know it's was a trick yet there was a signal especially when you make sure that it knows that you have been close and then you can yell and ministration book about jiggling tweeted it so it means it's meant something to bear and the end the end this is this is this message. don't expect to die mental if you don't because they only see it's because they'll go and call that if you're not sitting. opposite policies but as far as i'm concerned there is no change in practical trucks full of lively it's more nuanced for

instance when you when he said mrs just to get palestinians to anyone use some of the 8 mysterious this entities did this then stem cells summed it up. best new this is file film being good enough i would like to see united states is marching poles in a peaceful cess that ensured 2 state solution a fair and just solution but i know that naive to seem to be going to happen overnight if you look at the election the news or an issue technically out of the equation then the joel just limitlessness it on the contestant and then just in fairness i'm sure the mysterious if you look at the decisions among the palestinians it's been the hamas and fatah and who is big in gaza the inability to lose any semblance of unity it doesn't help and they also seem to lessen the international community so by dint of mr ation thing and my fuel being the dead and all i want but let me ask you about another potentially that forced.

not to me after remained correct mystically cried after the bottom of ministration showed inclinations arrive at the iranian nuclear deal that. that was interesting because. i can't believe that their various positions of the a.j.c. affair. has suddenly changed that is out of the question so how do you explain this said you'd reaction wouldn't be that you. were simply doesn't see my chance all or much result on the on the part of much ability for that matter on the part of your white house of actually the rain is shared any further than simply state if statements of intent. well. said leo not he seems it and you know he's busy a guy who is not just this state that was he says at this year's miss most are concerned when what happened in coach next week then what happened in the way the

legion is going to win this thing and that's what he is suggesting that i'm the place you're suggesting this is it should be a standard shape but at the same time i think. he's biting son because you want to see what's the next move because as much as as much as we expect biden to be much most considered solution to your international business each candidate should be told guns blazing some fuss like it more than not that although many fold fails he shoots and are still waiting to see what will be in some of these callings and also for all the other live under the accounts on the other hand they need to return to the just use a new polling won do is do both was a huge unstick bite by bite united states revising you eat us trying to improve it why not if you haven't but it has to be done so any glimmer in one of them for me

to make jewelry shoes of the j.c.b. your if you can go far enough in terms of making one comes action but also to musician the relations. between exactly the lines when the international community won't all its behavior not only in nuclear when developing long lens but the statements of syria and lebanon on if an informed educated at the kitchen sink again that. israeli strategy that i don't think i've raging at that when this is a few times and i know from him that the us something like this will not go down well with the iranians now i want to ask you one more question about the ad market because you were wrong before that it is last bit by bit ministrations to quote restore america's credibility deficit in the middle east made. according to you was exacerbated by the trumpet restoration that in my humble opinion was totally wracked by the previous administrations because after what happened in libya and

syria i don't think there is much. belief in america strategic action if it ever existed i don't think any of that is left not only among america's adversaries or you know opposing forces but also among america's own partners just how exactly do you think that by the administration can't restore this quote unquote. how did you pull it credibility deficit of america so go sleep because s.s. in the middle is going to fare. as if it was some clueless specs to me will they send anything to you fellows but now i try to use you don't i think what you say about going to your living if i don't mind syria i seem to actually president putin money moves. the united states and i think. we still do screw the ability to pollute little movie bills down. bush now senator you

don't need the i.c.c. our ability i mean let's define the terms here because at credibility as far as i am concerned to something that you know you may disagree to a person or in a country but at least you see the bill or take all throughout what they're doing as far as i am russia's stance or there's absolutely no logic in what the americans are trying to do in the middle east and no rational explanation. on the other hand nasha suppose i'm in this regime in syria which would be unacceptable to most the fust i was supposed to lose him to userspace a little bit this is hundreds inside this is us you're not here for a fight. here it reached its east. it's best chances of existence are secured by at least half. i had some sort of governance that are going to be changed later but securing this space and that is that it would place the place of . any strange man is under the auspices of the i.c.c.

and there's you under suppose 'd illusion. is that he's a sponsor bursal such atrocities although the last 10 years i think should take stock of. what i do think and this is an important issue because i'm actually a good person and you know what happened to me get a me heard that same rhetoric from people like you from the american leaders even from these really leaders and usually be abaddon out without get awfully isn't bad and our serious united states shari's why why does it have to be bad personalities we're discussing international affairs and how they have back no me in this particular country is that the rest of the world and there is i don't believe you can make an argument like you had. with all due respect to either snake she story in this essay then you're going to there's a national basis i understand russian interest in your i don't dispute it isn't goggles bottleful are still in communications and instant affection conflictual between the united states and russia is

a little less each other interest in the spectrum and that you just to do to be done just to be conducted in diplomacy and politics can. justify the country that all cities we need to risk go also live in when the united states also or this goal is this and this is defense of human rights defending liberal democratic values it was also a story this was later ok well my only concern is how many more millions of lives that's plan to take but we don't have time to discuss them yet i am i really appreciate your being with us today and thank here for me your spirit argument thank you very much for having been so it's a pleasure and thank you for watching i hope to see you again next week on all of them hard.

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