that at peak events in his persecution that had already lasted since 2010 and where. it picked in my sis read the way he has been persecuted for a decade in the way he was expelled from the embassy but then he without any legal counsel without a legal remedy the process his asylum status was revoked history was a korean nationality was revoked because it would or in constitution does not allow extradition of actual dorian's to other countries and all of this was done without any due process and obviously with any you know an hour or 2 he was then brought to the police station and from there on works to a court where a criminal trial hearing had already been scheduled for him for so he and he was convicted within about 15 minutes for a alleged crime of bail isolations which was alleged to have committed 7 years

earlier again without having any form of you know sufficient time to recover from the trauma and the shock of the morning's events and actually preparing properly his his criminal trial but these are just examples of very typical of the way jude in a sense writes have been trying to magically violators that in older restrictions throughout torture in one time imho if they have a grave famously revealed by a base evil hersh who has been on this show why is it relevant to your remit as un's eyes were up with their own torture to the julian assads case history reasons 1st of all tuning a cent has exposed evidence for systematic state sponsored torture and this these crimes that she provided evidence for have never been prosecuted even after givens was published no one has ever been prosecuted for those acts of torture.

secondly julian assumption self has been exposed. to farias forms of cruel inhuman or degrading treatment that due amounts to psychological torture and not making this up examined him together with 2 specialized medical experts who have spent their life examining torture victims and both of them confirmed independently of each other that he showed all the symptoms are typical of addict and. psychological torture and so clearly i have to intervene on his behalf and ask for a cheese to take measures to protect she's human rights which has not happened despite my interventions and thirdly i have to intervene in this case because julia found just if extradited to the united states clearly will lot receive a fair trial and will experience those 2 conditions of detention very probably in a supermax prison under special administrative measures which clearly do amounts to torture and other real treatment again that's not just my personal opinion my

previous sessions would share that opinion in the same function and a host of human and amused international another human rights organizations specialized in the area well british authorities including the police the government than united states already hold deny any link to torture just remind us of what it was like when you visited joining us anjan belmarsh prison in london well i visited him after but 4 weeks after he had been arrested on the 9th of may 2019 and he was obviously was under a lot of stress he already had that time physically blocking the good physical shape she had suffered through 6 years of isolation in india quit or an embassy but . he specially he has been exposed to relent. threats scenarios of being extradited to the u.s. into a jurisdiction where he cannot expect to. he treated according to the rule of law

and we are he has to expect to disappear basically in a burial alive in some kind of a supermax prison for the rest of his life just treat remind everyone that she is being threatened which prison sentence of 175 years in prison for having exposed the truth about the crimes and corruptions of governments while no one has ever been prosecuted or even sanctioned in a disciplinary fashion for the crimes the very serious crimes that have been exposed by what you. well i mean he has been named in parliament in the european parliament i know you have written a book in german which follows the case he's been raised in the british parliament by jeremy corbyn he's been raised by presidential candidate bernie sanders by by i.o.c. in congress why do you think there's such little attention now paid to it is case here in britain has disappeared from british media stories. well i think that

the governments have really succeeded in spreading a narrative about him and by isolating him in belmarsh prison for the last 2 years and before that for several years and yet proceed with you know increasing isolation and. difficulties to communicate a public you have exceeded in spreading a narrative that she cannot defend himself against about him being a narcissist a traitor or a hacker that basically it's his responsibility to president trump was elected that that that which is a rapist and and. all of this despite the fact that there is no evidence really supporting any of those claims and but the governments have really managed to turn the spotlight around and i'm speaking of the spotlight at which an excess point it's on then the governments and their misconduct you have taken that spotlight and

turned it around and focused it on a sunday and have created a whole public discussion about a sunday while the son's case is not really ever out of sundries about the states and their misconduct and no one ever discusses that and so there we see how this crime drama at between the collusion between the mainstream media and. the governments how that works to influence public opinion in in many ways that the public is not even aware of. so rare are we had well we've had un special rapporteur has on this show they have often being criticised by british governments just a test tell us about how happy or unhappy with the responses of the british government whether under tereza may boris johnson the foreign secretary was told as prime minister to your allegations about the torture of julian isn't. well i mean that that's just you know a very shameful reaction there in new britain has always been

a state that was proud of its kind of legacy and it's a tradition in promoting human rights and i have to say frankly when i still work for the international committee direct process in war areas cooperating with the military forces underground there was was really a very fruitful cooperation and so i expected to get the said kind of cooperation with the government now in my present un mandate but that's not the case at all i i intervened immediately after my visit to asunder but the following day i intervened with floridians and told them that it was very urgent for them to take measures to protect his health and to suppress human rights and he took the bridge government 5 months to respond and in that response which was about half a page long bitches rejected all allegations and since then they refused to respond to any further communication and to engage in

a dialogue that's nothing personal concerning my person because stand under the same obesity with other special or upper tourist whenever they criticise the government whenever they and philip alston on poverty. and i think it was a previous visit by spy a special operator on housing that i repeat 'd i remember well a couple of appears fact the working group an arbor detention which is also in the case of do it in a sense decide of a few years back in late 2000. 50 and that his his presence or his you know that scene ginny embassy. amounted to arbitrate a creation of liberty the british government gauged with that proceeding expecting that it would go in its favor but as soon as it turned out not to be in its favor it just refused to implemented now it is striking the irony of a government like the british government accusing someone like our sons of wanting

to abase justice yet due to the sound is basically they're facing justice or injustice and while the british government at the age trusts whenever the international system which is part of criticizes the british government we've seen similar developments with the e.u. write it that the government simply feels that it has some kind of a sense of entitlement to violate international law without. accountability. of course the british government denies any wrongdoing in all of this it was of course though it honors that released papers from the hillary clinton campaign which showed the dirty tricks against bunny son there's lots of hillary clinton people now in the biden administration any different response to your arguments about julian assange from the biden administration not at all i mean i don't buy that mistrust is simply pursues a very similar path. as steve trying to ministration essentially which he continues

to do to prosecute other how argument of 2 d.n.c. leaks. i think is is something that is worth just spending a moment on because i want to read that you actually have been the mimic shivered at but have not been manipulated sunshield the russians that have been manipulated by the democratic party that's i mean that's evidence the hat and 40 other claims to are simply no evidence and this again is an example where we see how the public narrative is being turned around and xstrata lies to you know an extraordinary anybody so that the population will not look at the corruption that is actually being practiced in front of their nose at home. well i mean perhaps some british officials might say the legacy of all of this is being do legislate to allow some of the things that as andro veal to be illegal what what have you made

of the overseas operations bill that's coming through in parliament here that immunizes u.k. soldiers and also a bill to limit the rights of protest and to apparently permit murder and rape by the security services here in britain all this under the 4th johnson administration well that's a piece of legislation that i have warned about i have to officially a protest against at risk the british government. clearly provides for impunity for international crimes crimes that people have you know been sentenced for in nuremberg and in tokyo there is simply no justification no conceivable justification for having a piece of legislation of leading prosecution for these types of crimes it means that the government wants to protect these types of perpetrators if the government

claims that it has an issue with big stations claims well then it has to strike the proceedings where do you see the claims can be proven to be exceptions but if you want to go in other parts of the world and you want to you know conduct invasion such as in iraq or bombardments in other countries while you have to face to music when you come out it goes hand in hand with the other piece of legislation which concerns authorization of domestic crimes by intelligence agents i think it's called i'm not mistaken despite. it goes in the same direction but then permits intelligence agents to commit very serious crimes including you know torture and and and other serious crimes in the u.k. . and how can you possibly claim to be a democracy governed by the rule of law and authorized. special thank you in part 2 of this 1000 additional going on the ground we speak to the ecuadorian

diplomat instrumental in getting julian assange asylum in the ecuadorian embassy in london. in the event of misguided belief by many of that by locking down the whole society can somehow protect all high risk people but we're seeing now is so obvious that that wasn't the case it did not protect. the high risk pool of people that are still in the u.s. we'll have to go over half a 1000000 deaths mostly older people there was a complete failure to think about these large dance would actually protect all the high risk people. we are segregated. by social class. people. first.

if you're born into a poor family if you're born into a minority family if you're born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your life chances people die on average 15 years old if you're born into generational poverty. every day she who meets your needs and the needs of your family. welcome back to more of the south american country may have a new president not so keen on alleged quid pro quos with washington over cia bases and torturing julian asylum's jailed here in london instrumental in the wiki leaks founder the site of up occasion was ecuadorian diplomat who joins me now from cambridge in england thank you so much warmer console for coming on this 1000 this episode of going underground before you go into the presidential election just take

us back to how you felt when you saw the pictures of the founder of wiki leaks being dragged out by mutual of police from your embassy in london. thank you it's a privilege to be here i feel as shame completely ashamed of show government i was capable of opening the doors of any comedy ignition to allow a foreign force to enter and get dark lead turnley now a political refugee that never happened he story where the law. was so proud to be holding op political asylum human rights doing so many years but as you know more anybody trait ecuador be tradeable to us betrayed them across and betrayed julian assange so i felt very ashamed 2 years ago because programmer a no no no longer there in government lawyers here say it was entirely legal the

president sent the metropolitan police into your embassy but you said that it. was redolent of a colonial mentality is of britain is trying to impress washington oh yes yes for sure nothing legal about dart there's a principle each human an international human rights which is there no deval lucian principle you cannot give back to political refugees even death threats all the sheen persist and that's what ecuador did with julian assange besides that julian east ecuadorian he became ecuadorian dony she's 7 year stay in the embassy and according to local law in constitution not ecuadorian could be extradited anywhere so it was illegal and we know that there was a negotiations behind the scenes directly with the americans and with the british english to hand him over. well scotland yard denies that it in league or i

mean you saw the police presence over the years the covert police presence as well outside the ecuadorian embassy in knightsbridge in london what did you think of the alleged disproportionality the number of police that it took to take julian a sandwich out of the embassy into a van well let's remember and remember and british always alleged doubt is nothing to do with them that's only about there should be should request for an internal geisha enjoying investigation so to have such a huge surveillance over somebody who was not even charged of anything doing so many years is obviously contradictory 6. they need their special operation they needed weeks in advance of repair asia in order to my surprise and

to the embassy and not to not such why do you think media here in britain wasn't as interested it was a r.t. is a strong his asian ruptly that corp the pictures of julian assange being dragged out of the embassy by police officers the b.b.c. even reuters of course the famous footage that the sandra leased by working leaks of reuters employees being gunned down in iraq why would the median or those interested. well corporate media were not keen on julian and really on weekly leaks because while we could leaks and you now sanch the this not only do they expose the war crimes under war criminals but that they're also define their media machinery behind it works the media will work in a way complicit by not standing up to the lice set by the government in order to go to war so julian defied him to learn the stalls in media

as well that they're going to fight we don't take she confront them does why they were knocking on the julian and the is is very very worrying that they don't see how dangerous these president is for journalists must unfold media as well in the future i understand that you are a former consul and then some it is it your understanding that marina made a deal which entailed cia bugging of the embassy cia bases in ecuador and a $4200000000.00 i.m.f. loan to ecuador a kind of. torture money for a scientific or both are well known are house compliant and she has been. she has even united states everything they requested in julian's case they were

requesting information from inside the embassy duck commands. the registrations. everything about julian assange communications long before julian was beaked and they went as far as to interview to interrogate. dorrian diplomats. dogs don't bite us prosecutors in quito so i'm not surprised that anyone i know. and again julian assange heads to the united states not surprised at all. well having maria's bringers presidential career is over arguably tomorrow the power more papers in britain have little effect on david cameron even though members of his family were when named why do you think they're one of the candidates at tomorrow's election. he's an involvement in the bank or was killed just tell me

about glare more lasso and why a quid dorian's you don't think will be voting for him tomorrow or the runoff election. well mr lassally is one of the reaches reaches people in an acquittal she has being trying to be comical in president for a very long time this is he's attempt she has she has. called government. money not in the last 4 years she has a very true primary can. guy and strictly speaking she shouldn't be able to run even in the election because equal long ago by referendum proof banning all those people who have of sure assets in order to they cannot run for public office or office and mr minister last or she has plenty of assets in tax havens in the

caribbean so. she insists their attempt i guess she is last one because she she is not a young person the key is hell he's quite damaged does the choice between hume i want to we will be i am convinced he will be the youngest president in history only 36 years old brilliant economies and rest and house well if the coca-cola director a lot of failed to become president. tell me about this and reza you said he's brilliant with it will he. try his best to. make amends for ecuador's behavior over julian assange untrue as we heard in part one from the un special rapporteur the well being tortured here in london well listen houses and new

political blocks to where they were in politics she was there were sold dogs c.d.'s and revolution he was minister under rafael correa in several ministers. she is an economist she called consoler boss kids kid nation economic and i mean very progressive member of the international international progressive alliance. and she is going to really take the path that rafael correa undersea to some revolution started for ecuador 14 years ago nietzsche's a part of a sovereign country which we'll have. respectful relationships with all over the world but it will stand up it was gunned up against the ruling of their more powerful countries in the world. well we know what happens to countries that want

to be sovereign or say they want to be sovereign we now have evidence that britain is colluding against evo morales in bolivia britain doesn't recognize manure of venezuela's election what do you think the united states and britain will do to andres iras if he seeks a sovereign policy over the people of ecuador. well i very much hope you will respect you will democratic we'll all she could go in people and we very much think that they will respect. our constitution our democratic process and i are in the same way don that we do respect other countries do you think it's ironic that julian assange leaked so many papers about u.s. foreign policy the national endowment for democracy and so forth interference in latin american policies and in fact to more of the ecuadorian election has been influenced by leaks by wiki leaks as well because marino apparently with to some

extent brought down by the demonstrations for julian advantage in ecuador in 21 thing i think many many countries all very much to weekly and to julian assange will expose seen. corruption basically from the power people. many many in many places in the world. in this it is ironic it is ironic and. growing sites we do action of julian assange and he was sorry and i know firsthand that giuliani's very very. concerned about what's happening in what became she's 2nd country in ecuador and i'm sure that the new government of equal or we'll. take. the

defense of. julia sanch steel prosecuted steel socially in full full political row persecution and steal and justly in jail and just finally what do you know about the condition of julian as anjan belmarsh prison in london hand in expectations from joe biden who's earth and nothing about dropping all the espionage charges against him well as much as you can suspect this is a maximum security prison called you i'm damn well. bank there you go and your camino is. julian assange she's not serving any sentence there's no reason why is she should remain increasing there is a risk of. meek in prison she is isolated most of the day 2223 hours per day so she is no well he's

definitely no not not well and. yet the charges should be dropped because even if he wins he's extradition case in the last instance then general sanchez will be safe to move from the u.k. . u.k. decision will leave ali jurisdiction if he goes out of the u.k. she will be in the in general the united states trying to get him again that's why it's so important john by that and the new u.s. administration finally and completely the charges which are basic usually against general former counsel thank you that if this 1000 petitions going underground back home of the 60 years to the day russia's then the 1st human in space in history yuri gagarin keep in touch with a lot of media will feel much the. readiness

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