yes in such a way. do you think it's warranted ever not know if not then it's dangerous and if if that continuous feel see the end of 300 years on light a month i have been that i was censored will be a platform and at least temporarily from both twitter and google go and. face but i have in me or the great barrington declaration which i'm one of the 3 authors of and it is very troubling and it traces of distrust both in science and in public health because if people see that these things cannot be debated freely why would they trust. scientists and all of the if they if you don't let everybody speak up and not have a frank discussion about these things now i've personally seen no problem with me where i said just think that some of your views may not be in line with the

official governmental advice but what i see it as very problematic as far as labeling it would as misleading bitch assumes that the current advice is final and solid to be no government actually at this point of time. claims and the 2nd of all i think the 2nd problem is paralyzing it with your venting users from liking it from its meeting its both of which serves to preclude any further debate it may be irritating to all of us or specially to people who subscribe to the enlightened valleys but do you think if they actually result in real damage to public health because we are after all a delegate an issue that is not yet fully explored and it's not the government that is actually exploring at all that night she thought so personally i don't mind but when you have the censoring and also slander where will the rare journalist or scientist slander other scientists. but means that there are many people in the

scientific community who do not dare to speak out and among the officials to cease ethnologist that i know personally and that i discuss things personally with the majority have the same views with me that we need to do is focus protection on better protecting older hires people while letting for example schools to be open and as young people live near normal lives but that's not just life if you're in the journalism because there are many of my folly school do not want to speak up because they have seen what's happened to those who do speak up and there are many of your colleagues who have been speaking out and have been absent look at it from as spreading out their views not only on but also on you tube and other social media platforms 0 do you see that as an example of those media companies trying to enforce that own rules as a statute it's on typically or arbitrary as they may be or do you think they're acting as a conduit it's off let's say governments

a lot of interest groups who's in charge here i don't know what their rationale is because i'm just a simple scientist and i'm not. an official diseases but i don't know what it is so that's more like i think as a journalist i think you understand those things much for them i do now you said that your a simple scientist and this is you're being modest but you're actually a pretty big name in the field off infectious diseases you have more than 25000 academic citations you teach at higher if you work at a respectable hospital do you think. there should have taken your credentials or any other person's can actually into account when mulling over it that weeds or would you be more comfortable with them applying that policy blindly. i don't think they should take my parental into account i think that.

if most of the will taste press their views freely society with whoever they are and there's actually a lot of the people who are not scientists who have very insightful. thoughts about a pandemic now one of the principles of public health many of it always have been thrown out there into the room this year but rather principles of public office if you will have to listen to the public they have the ones who are living through the consequences of their lot on for example. where they have family members with mental health issues that they have to deal with where you know where they couldn't get to the doctor to deal with their cardiovascular disease problems so it's very interesting writing for tintin probably should i like other aspects of science like they're all a geo you know as your way of sort of are focused on the lavender science in public health you always have to listen to the public and have interaction with the public

and you have to do is if everybody in the public they have to be open to speak to everybody you mentioned before that you were a lot of the callers of the great banks and declaration of which advocates a more discriminately focused on high risk groups approach to the background to this blanket shelter in place policy i doubt it in many countries and. together if your conference is balanced namely thousands of best material. you suggested that. lockdowns have cost more harm than good do you think these may have something to do or where that sound of the of us being sacked shared activity but is thought a controversial or shouldn't be a controversial views because they're all in the great part of a debate in is very much in line with the various condemning preparedness plans that many countries have prepared their last few years before before this panic

started so the basic idea is that while anybody can get infected and people do get a fake to fall in all ages the risk of dying and there is the severe disease but the risk of dying from korea 19 there is more than a 1000 fold difference between the oldest and the youngest and that is an enormous difference because in. a science the if we find for so sample a 2 fold difference that's a major breakthrough usually in terms of the disease prevention and control and here is more than a 1000 fold difference so there's been a maybe even misguided belief by many of that by locking down the whole society if you somehow are protect the whole tyrus people what we're seeing now is sort of obvious that that wasn't the case it did not attack. the high risk pool of people victorious in the us feel had over half a 1000000 deaths mostly older people so that was

a complete failure to think that these last dance would actually protect or the high risk people so we are you know in the great bank of declaration with their off with. professor soon i dropped out of the university and professor jay but i shy on staff university is that when need now we should have done a much better job of protecting all the hire a few people through sound of public health measures that were never implemented because people thought a lot of times we'll do it at the same time for children and younger adults the. consequences mary lauriski for for the core of it $1000.00 for children the risk is the even less than it is from dying from daniel in france the result of a very long for children so this is not a dangerous disease that shows them and for young adults so there they have much worse consequences from the last time. they are suffering through it in the united

states yes there are many children who have not been in school for a year and that's not just for their vacation but also their physical and mental health and social development you mentioned that in the beginning we had this totalistic approach to about down's and i think it's now being sort of substitute by the same to actually stick approach to that seems to think that that what got you in trouble with twitter when you actually started to be needed diphtheria shaded approach both to people who already have acquired immunity that is somebody who already had a problem as well as children and i want to ask you about children in particular because the united states i don't have the maxine is not yet the situation is not yet that brought so it's largely a fair bit of discussion but the united states has one of the highest prevalence as of 5 children to read that chatty i.v.'s and we know that in adult population this is a major complication and both with regards to contract the disease and the severity

of complications one badness asin that's acetate it's not vaccinating the bees group of children at least thinking differently about how they should be protected . yes on my point in the treaty that was answer was that. yes it is as much wrong to say that everybody needs to be isolated as it is to say nobody should be an isolated saw that there might be some children who should have isolated we don't know yet because we haven't done the studies you have and the cost benefit analysis for children so a lot of people the benefit is enormous for the vaccine so even if they are sound negative as aspects to it. the benefits will outweigh those but for children and young adults for whom this is not serious to see if this maybe a sound few exceptions. is not at all clear that the vaccine and benefits outweighs

the risk because there's always risk with everything so to start arguing that all children must be vaccinated you know before we have a vaccine that we before we don't know about it is very strange i think yeah well and the thing is if they diagnose prescriptions for your health to my health without actually looking at their medical histories it's well how do you explain the fact that that all of a saturday sonne umbrella approach is being is becoming so popular i don't know this seems to be some people who think that public health should be cursed of and i think that is very dangerous for public health maybe to have some small short term effects but in the long term it is really a that's amount of the trust in public health and that's another basic principle of public health that it has to be based on trust and is a 2 way street so if public health official wants the public to trust them then

they also have to trust the public and i think in the united states that are not as in the rest of the world but in the united states has in that an enormous. a reduction in the trusts of powers out officials now one reason is that they say things that are nonsensical for example if you had. a college you have very good immunity and there's much more evidence from the immunity or from national infection than from the vaccines so then to go on to say that those who have had national infection these new vaccinated. doesn't make scientific sounds and people understand that and then they will say well if that was wrong why are maybe the public health officials also on other things so we have to be honest with the public and we ask can say everybody needs to get it because we don't trust people otherwise there is serve the wrong approach to public health

. we have to take a very short break right now but we'll get back in just a few moments. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy to confront dacian let it be an arms race is on all fronts very dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical guy time to sit down and talk. the swarms of them so moving. to good use who was before.

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those we have producers to produce for to snoop to come up with new yorkers are those the girls who are serious supporters to your machine station shouldn't for you should cook door for one who is doing business. well the naturals are part of it dr laura's a 4 door a professor of medicine at harvard medical school professor called doris at all the year ago when confidential was still and spratt many governments around the world react against several us fashion they were essentially coping at each other but. since the sack and in particular the 3rd wave of their virus i think what we have

seen is far * more discerning sheesh an inefficient response as. maybe biased by the ira i think western policy is time to be a warrant totalistic and more restrictive than in many normal western societies how do you explain that were my colleague dr sen gupta says he last dance is the last year of the red sea the developing countries don't have that luxury. of that of well it's not a luxury because it's a bad thing the 1st i think. if you're lucky donna we saw are some examples of that where you left on some places in the in the. latin america and africa where the people who sell things on the market for sampling i believe day to day they make a little bit of money and from that they buy things to sell them

a stake plus the liberal food and one that flows down the you pull the rug and number from around so that had devastating consequences with children starving to death for example there were some take lessons 10000 a month saw a loft us is really not a not at all an option for for many countries because of that but it also has devastating consequences. in the western world and it's really no way to protect a young loris professionals who don't need to protections but who are for example laugh journalist like you are scientists like me. while out throwing the workers under the bus who are forced to work even if there might be a 6570 olson who should protect because they have a one off i'm not i risk i saw in the united states i think a lot of downs the way we dealt with the pandemic has been their worst assault on

the working class since. around the vietnam war half a century ago and there is out one generation that is. not necessarily affected now but that may be abstract at long term talking about. children after you mash and before that many american children have been out of school for more than a year and this is a theme for me the most puzzling aspect of the american policy because as you know mash fight has been well documented that this virus doesn't pose as much of their threat to children while our being under the law of down may cost substantial harm . why do you think it has become such an intransigent issue because i mean many act countries did introduce distance learning last great but many have pulled back without any consequences and in terms of fascists data.

the united states as to persist and maintaining this and no that's learning. yes it's various in the u.s. some states like florida has kept schools open their resident to summer while others have been closed for a year and i think this is the most tragic aspect of this pandemic and if if i can only change one thing here in the u.s. it would be to open all the schools the university is. tomorrow of 3 in present teasing and i think it has boss short and long term consequences are we can see that the mental health of children has deteriorated now overall medical officers i'm down in the u.s. but for. psychological and psychiatric mental health this is from children are going up to skyrocket to so it is a huge huge problems and there's no reason for it. because if if if you look to the evidence with all that in juju life you look at for sample sweden which was

the only restaurant major western township in north america western europe that jackscrew was open during the spring at. the height of the spring and happened i mean the year ago so it's really an all children age one to $15.00 arriving day care always for free in present teasing without sort of just this thing without mass there without any testing and know this 1800000 a 2nd is cyril died from poor 19 and there were only a handful the last bullet hospitalizations so it's clearly not the days as the c. is for 4 or 4 children but there will be a part of putting the burden of suffering on the children and even teacher the teacher since you know we're not at higher risk than the average of other professions i would ask you a personal question i know that you are a single dad with 3 children i wonder if an ielts downs. school age and if so

how do you guys have been dealing only with the learning aspect but also socializing a diesel actualizing as. i have 15 of them ages 185 and 5 so the oldest one has been in carlist but. aren't even though he's on campus the classes are not in person they are online so you have to sit in his room and do their classes and this of course much harder for him to do it half way to learn the little ones of 5 years or so i think they are less affected they are twins so they always have each other so in that sense i think here my family has been much like year than most most i think they saw schools. those children who suffer the most are from the working and middle class who cannot afford to hire tutors or do homeschooling. but i think you're right is very right shafik care for children and some children has also been that sort of

kept at home because their parents are very afraid but with my age to your son i'm not worried about all the for him but i am worried about his mental health so i always encourage him throughout this pandemic go up hang out with your friends go play basketball go play soccer do that because i really want him not to be in his room house then start getting depressed i want him to be out there with friends and have as normal a life as possible under the circumstances now one of the ambassadors the governments around the world to use to justify such a trick on him matters is they need it for attack the elderly the most vulnerable the most susceptible to the badges of this virus and yet we have seen at quite a few dad lee outbreaks sadly ultimately gerald facilities in a number of countries. would it be fair to say that. rather than protect the elderly the slow down matters have contributed to that down told by

denying that the asteroid here they asked your resources the extra protection that that agent that how susceptible it is would warrant. you know that's not true sir because people thought lockdowns would protect them they didn't institute other standard public health protection measures the other thing is the lockdown has to some extent sort of for long the and damage and that makes it much more difficult for people to protect themselves because you can isolate yourself for a while but you can't do it forever so makes it much more difficult also there are some of the law found matches that actually increases the spread of this of the virus rather the opposite for example by tossing university has many students percentage home to live with their older parents before are at higher risk rather than their infecting their their friends who are in the trenta sounds very low risk

so that actually increases the risk for all the people so it would have been much better to keep all the students at the university with and then when it was time to go home for christmas or whatever a summer they would have been you know not infected their older all of this in one of your interviews and i think i even during this interview he said that the public shall difference from. specialized medicine and that it passed it cannot afford to focus on one disease at a time it has to consider national health in all its complexity and continuity and why dash our early into this pandemic you and others have been able to sort of understand the epidemiological character all of this virus that stereotypically at least should have been able to house up the artist it take. these add diversified

focused that take on what to do for the most vulnerable yes you're right that public is has is different because if you are a physis unless a mycologist they are focus is to treat the cancer you know patient in front of you and that's what you're supposed to do but the public health you can't just. think of only one disease so they can't think of kovi we have to think of all the collateral damage to other aspects of health that is locked on matches are creating and that has been on the failure also in public health we have to think long term rather than as short term so as soon as i heard about this virus and i have an assume as he saw that our place in northern italy and iran which was sort of the 1st also a sign that it was obvious to me and it should have been obvious to me found them to face of this he said no it's just that this was going to be a world wide open damnation there was no chance of keeping it out from spreading

around the world. i. saw but i was only worried actually it 10 minutes because i looked at the chinese date i managed to see of the enormous gradient on mortality between the older than the young and at that time there wasn't really not want to 2 people want protecting themselves in their home because they didn't know about the heart rate so you would expect that their exposure was about the same to different days groups maybe a little less in the order you didn't know yet what their so-called infection fatality ratio was like the probability of death after if you were infected by we know that there was this huge difference you know the risk between the ages and that's must have been enough to know that we should have done it from the start the focus which actions just as you were left. where we're where we do muster the job protecting the older people who stand apart with our measures while letting children and younger people live near normal life. so that we wouldn't have

collateral damage consequences because a lot of dance can you be used to flatten the curve but it can never stop the pandemic so that's are a futile effort and we have seen that people thought people in europe and north america thought that. in thought in the sound of that it was the lockdowns that had . pushed this these down but that's why we wrote the grandparental desperation october because we knew was going to come back and. now people stabbed it wouldn't and that we were sort of doing a straw man by criticizing lockdowns but when you were giving back because there's clearly now the seasonal effect of this so we wanted to make sure that we didn't do the same mistakes again during this 2nd wave us through the 1st wave so that was our attempt at a bigger brain to make the nation present who they are we have to get it he asked me and really grateful for you taking the time would see you talk to us about that . thank you so much has been

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