oh except that we have regulation we want relation i was in just these we don't behave in the hospital to us quite. shallow in welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle there are calls for a 911 style investigation into the capitol hill riots of january 6th is this an effort to seek the truth or to fabricate another massive political hoax also does

nato want russia and ukraine to go to war. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guests george samueli in budapest he's a pop caster at the gaggle which can be found on you tube and rumble and here in moscow we're joined by dmitri bobbish he is a political analyst and editor and knows me internet media project hi gentlemen cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's start out with george and budapest george you know ever since the the riots of january 6th have been there's been talk all the way from the n.c.p. mostly all the way down to when this n.b.c. and c.n.n. and all that. wall street journal washington post on and on for a 911 style investigation here on the face of it i don't have a problem with that at all i mean about barely the d.o.j.

is doing something they need more time that's all we find out ok but i really worry is this another is this in the extension to the russia gate hoax or this and a completely new incarnation because given what we've seen over the last 5 years or what what hope and trust you have that this isn't going to turn into a political witch hunt george well of course we had no such quote or trust and remember the 911 but it wasn't commission or was it still what joe because the most important piece of information was actually with el traum the public mainly the role model of saudi arabia which we still are fully about you know a little more than we did when he was less public but we still don't know the full extent of it so that's not exactly a good good just meant we want to buy 11 commission or what is rather sinister about this letter. 5 about from the signatories all along.

2. all of the ninety's all the nature and of the united states invasion of iraq that subsequently maybe as all these are all people names that we're very familiar with you know we have people like james clapper ben rhodes you know everyone that you would think of our friend i've examined a benign and ukraine gate. and if you read this letter on it what does it say it's a not really to find out why the policing was so wrong. let's go astray on the 6th why did the police. to react initially why did they overreact. that's all they're interested in they want to get at the white supremacy white supremacy they use that word even though no evidence of any white supremacy involvement we want to get domestic terrorism domestic greener. and then

more sinister he they talk about. coordinate this information about they that they have to address and the nontransparent financing now what does it all mean well what they want but congress the boss laws to enable the government to just have people de platforms and say no george i did this to kind of in the preamble to this in 0 twitter and facebook i'm nothing to worry about ok here's vehicles of this misimpression him information just information here. george brought up the $911.00 report which actually it actually was the foundation of the patriot acts and then we knew will here and that was a power grab a power grab to dave not me link it will it relinquished in this day so i guess the parallel is this $911.00 like investigation of january 6th is going to be

a way to duplicate the patriot act just domestically and george mentioned the seeking out white supremacists i think what they're saying subtext reading between the lines trying supporters go ahead. well yes and it's typical for a new year to tell a theory and ideology to demonize bit enemy and not known just the obvious fact so i think the most of all various absurdity on the $911.00 investigation was that 15 out of 1000 terrorists who committed this hideous terrorist act where a citizen so saudi arabia namo them was an iraq yet none of them was a libyan none of them was in the rain yet but it was leaving iraq and possibly now iran these contests are targeted by the us in the frame for all that so-called war on terror a right of the same story here i'm in now we have these people now see gin in jail

like this you know getting mad and you know basically. saying that they are so story of allah what happened to put these waves the means that they were through both you see the ban on russian agents you know they are not part of a jewish conspiracy or something but the state just doesn't want to or not which is the obvious that not everyone is k.p. who lives in the actions of the government with the poorest of the democratic i mean the right now the population is going to cough up premiums for the so called infrastructure reform right so there is special insight society and how do these generals disappointed their lead they say oh christopher a from the f.b.i. said it was not an isolated event you know there is a conspiracy behind it we have to go to the root so if you know we have to uncover all these people and unfortunately the same story in europe westfield khomeini

basically 6 months away from their election in germany is in september but already d.s.p. gl magazine published a huge investigate. don't call russia hand out that my line and actors are pulling in do to influence these elections so it's the same picture everywhere it's a demon brings up a great point here georgie it's seems to me again the way the russia gate hoax actually corralled the being the center of politics and progressives importantly and this isn't a repetition of a dollar ok i always saw in russia gate as a. an agenda to corral political forces to keep him in line and i think we seeing the same thing too for no $15.00 an hour per for workers ok no health care but white supremacy oh my god and that's how they keep

their coalition together through fear and orange oh that's exactly right and let's remember what russia gate hoax was about they seized on some nonsense which is a few russians may have bought some ads on facebook to make some money anybody can and they cooked up a complete hoax that cheney himself did what it got involved in the 2016 election in order to secure the election of donald trump no 2 evidence whatsoever for any of this was ever present it but it kept the hoax going and you know the moment that the mala reports came up we as a ukraine gate folks came in to offer a shit so you can see what's really going on and now we've got the john you're the safe folks down in you know they talk about violent extremism they know i'm not one cus i'm in that capitol hill or riot as they was arrested who had any instruments

of violence everything that many guns no one has been arrested with a gun so that was a gate you have now created a hoax that there was a violent insurrection on january the 6th and then you can just keep it. this is going but it's a violent insurrection being fed by sinister people like donald trump then the government must go into action to crack down on it so that was the same thing with russia gate well russia is everywhere they say it's trying to destroy buddy politics trying to destroy our democracy so yeah that's why it is it is so important to maintain this folks and i mean that these are all people all the people signed this letter o. actively involved the russian gay folks ukraine gay folks and house the janitor the 6. demon business it seems to me that the this is just purely a political agenda be president best the is the end in itself going going through the process of vetting people and and making it. legitimizing in normalising

everyone has to be vetted in the military in the police academia and they've basically it's a kind of a. transference of control that they had during this pandemic of control over people's lives they want to institutionalize it and they want to pick winners and losers of course the winners will be people that support this agenda anyone that resists obviously is a internal domestic enemy and that's how they're going to do it and it's a great way to control people. well i want to have people hold off on in the united states but they're all the walled that somehow the united states after this terrible action will come back to normalcy and all the people know it and that. joe biden is a centrist he's not the progress if is long a radical but we see that basically it doesn't matter who biden east

because they're all much more powerful force and hoff and the 2nd reason is basically a already way you have the so-called centrist audience because. and more and more aggressive i mean look the wars in iraq and in yugoslavia were started by people in audience who officially were not the extreme right the extreme left they were the so-called moderates sat on the german social democrats for the want sake went to war for the 1st time since 1405 in yugoslavia it's the same story here basically of their so-called american sat that has become so corrupt and so paranoid i mean any question of bog they lection switch wiring didn't you know very very strange and the won't of people have questions any such question is now well a boat s. a conspiracy theory you know we see how all of that washington post ghost off the door horney you know if we just question you know questioning once we're in the

long you know why why a big tech company as you know why don't you know they have actually why are there so many questions and all the identity on the people who vote on these oh i didn't questions but what they're trying to do is to nip in the bottom any kind of just sad you know the next election is going to be found when these 11000000 immigrants participate in oil is those of them who want to hold for democrats we will push our way gently through and don't you dad to resist if you're good to resist and that means your one of those people who acted on january the 6th that's the message i think you know if george that this is really another elaborate form of intimidation and it goes and a very basic basic right of freedom of speech freedom of assembly and even freedom of worship i mean if you look at a lot of these blue states again they they they attacked religion ok last 40 seconds go to you for this far go ahead george it is exhibit

a because it will be it's a mechanism to be sure that people whose views we don't like will not be able to get a platform they will not be on the social media and we're in luck they won't even be able. get a u.r.l. they won't even be on the internet they were just cease to exist and that's one way and that's why they won't be able to raise any money that's why they bring up this issue of financing and you know we saw this when the case of some of these defendants the media are actively ensuring that some of these are joining the 6 defendants not to get any money for their defense ok we're going to keep it on down here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break now and we'll continue our discussion real estate or.

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of this go back to here in moscow d.m.l. you know on this program we're keeping a very close sign what's going on in the internal politics of what's going on in ukraine and how outside forces namely nato appears to be stoking. an aggressive stance and of course russia is reacting so as i said in my introduction of a very simple question for both of you is nato trying to get russia and ukraine to go to war. well i think that nato will once a small conflict which your crane will more strike you move more strike you will then go on bus rebels themselves without crushing can bolt bought a nato needs. need some pretext will stop crying fault or start saying oh russia got involved in this crisis you know it can't be that these rebels just defeated all their own there must be russian instructors there must be russian

involvement well the problem is that if. there is huge ration against really serious we know from the georgian experience of each that nato will not compromise you. creek so basically ukraine is not interested in in a real battle down the stand that nato will not help them you know ultimately so. it was not of course russia will start this base confrontation because look for russia it's the least appropriate moment you know the fate of their north jim joyce been decided right now this is a new administration in the united states we don't want a terrible start for it you know with a bomb or you know the table and all he's administrative so the only party that was interested was your creation because you know. basically mr selenski lost the local election here was his ratings were down he didn't get any calls from western

leaders for months now you've got a call from biden he's got a call from boris johnson he talked to young stole them back from april store them back said the vote of stupidity is lake nato will not give you a lol your a privileged partner georgia was also privileged bachmann 2008 so these are all dangerous brew occasions whose aim is to put the blame on russia and this was discussed in russia and a lot of people said by the ukrainians prove all you can us you know the russian hawks and then you know my friend roxanne you should from understand who is already experienced john as you said yes the problem is that the west will quickly forget the provocation from the ukrainians right when they forgot that it was saakashvili who started that christina just on the 7th of august 1st 2008 it was state esseily who bombarded seen violet only lead to russian question vote but you know the western public is just fed out of the story that's the usual tactic you know

they've got the beginning or they've got their hands you know they they feed the public the box that is most 'd and that is in the interest of all their ultra liberal ideology and they and they just forget about. the rest can spare a idea that may have dodged it all so i go on in that in the american spectator recently which basically reminded people that you know that nicole and then make a mess in the ukraine by william smith he just reminded people though although the american spectator they did was the us who helped the cool impulse falls in 14 which actually just thought up the whole the whole tragedy of that and that article mentioned for the 1st time i think in the in 7 years that it was victoria nuland who basically a point of being you don't train your brain meanest been proposing for anyone that has watched this program over the years knows that we have ronald and not your in

and you know you might not want a bonnet on the ground in georgia with me interesting dreamy as it is this is a gambit where the ukraine in the ukrainian so in ski is provoking a comment like that he knows he will lose militarily but hoping that he will get political room warrants later as a pretty cavalier calculus would you agree it is very cavalier but it is a this is a remarkable phenomenon taking place which is you have. last week. tronson germany dating thought in a video conference call with them a putin were very reasonable 1. they seem to be in agreement that there needs to be a deescalation then 1 france and germany issue a joint statement talk about a gate deescalation or all sides they talk about violations of the cease fire on all sides rather a remarkable statement for france and germany to make then the americans go into

action so we have lincoln making phone calls to 2 the french foreign minister. you have been making phone calls to heikal nasr germany and suddenly it's a very different. and it's all russia all russian provocation all russian aggression russia is aggressive on the line of contact in ukraine russia's aggressive in crimea russia's aggressive in ukraine's borders so now suddenly france and germany are scooped up within the sort of the american position so you have to think that the american goal all along is that they don't really care about don't ask them accounts but they do care about trying to get ukraine into nato is once they get ukraine into nato then basically russia's completely cut off from europe and i think that's the goal they didn't get mean ukraine it's very bad for ukraine if they lose the but the american goal is you know whichever way it goes ukraine you know ukraine's defeat it fine but now now this is knowing they can be

no further resistance to getting ukraine into nato and i think the americans are playing of a dangerous game have a set a state game but i think that that's what it's like it because there's no calls addle on the thought of the americans 1st for any sort of even handed approach of a deescalation they need looking for this conflict if they didn't go you know again you know what western audiences are not very well informed i mean there was a deescalation process we had the normandy format we had the the men's one and 2 agreements were russia a guarantee for us and it's very very simple and straight forward actually can you can you can put it on one page so straightforward and when there is a call to burn deescalation we didn't because this is an intra ukraine comp like me have to remind everybody ok when in ukraine. is that meaning the dollar bonuses we call it here on this program the proposal is this is to do essential my

snoring in ukraine where they can stay they can stay with within the borders of ukraine but the united states is adequately against that because a. the winner take all no compromise in this approach we would it actually begs the war to happen when you have a 0 sum approach go ahead where you are right you know for the country like ukraine part of which was basically the territory of poland hungary romania just you know 70 years ago another part of it has been a part of russia for same trees you know. of course for such a country further if ever it is is the solution everyone understands it but it was the united states and the nationalist ukrainian government supported by the united states that were adamant against federalism you know that their president who's. the president who was in basically ousted with help from the united states and the

e.u. what was the name of his party because the name of your no college party argile rejects you know as was the idea that our ukraine consists of very different parts of the same people so it was only nature will have these decentralization but i'm afraid it's not going to happen and to draw upon a very important subject we had a very irresponsible statement from jillian's in the ukrainian president this week you further i called all the way to solve the don't pass problem is to make your brain a member of nato what does it mean if your brain becomes a member of nato as you once that russia occupies occupy us auto nato crain year you know. if georgia becomes a member of nato as it was promised in 2008 then russia over your fire is a positive that you have a cause barely radii you know you have

a legally clear situation where you nato mosque waging war on russia this is a response simple this is the way these people conduct politics and. yes john the stance you lost the trust of the people the people who voted for him 75 percent of ukrainians voted for him in 200-1000 because they expected peace in gone by us better relations with russia normal relations with the west but you know what happened was that basically is against you continuing our same course polishes and morse what j.f.k. is doing right now is very much like trump you know it was not coincidental that he called trump he's teacher in that infamous conversation last year which almost cost trump his position you know look. at ski eason basically pursuing the same tactic he beats for the maximum way grain is

a member of nato in this way he holds the crusher who would seed because you know in order to prove that such a terrible prospect of pressure would of course abandon the people and old boss and they can have you know ukrainian travel down and destroy all the elements that it doesn't want that they you know cancel them just you know which they never never and now for the people going bust so basically this is the same tactic i asked mr trump and in general i mean if we look at the general trend what was it that by the west deed in the last few months but also different from trump then that trade war with china continues you know the country and asian with russia continuous human even on the great to ski well and we all know everybody and getting it in time but you're right it's always thought that there's bipartisan support for the worst things that george last minute to use one of my favorite things to say about ukraine and give you one minute to finish up she is in ukraine isn't going east it isn't going west it's staying exactly where it is in this is what people in nato

capitals don't understand one minute you are that i think that would be the ideal i mean is that somehow ukraine would be able to actually makes that gather and live. go exist with all these different thoughts of it fortunately. the west of the united states alexander there of it's been the same agenda since $1009.00. out of europe once a role and so we cooperate as much but it was only a unit within nato or as i can and rice well that may well be the last oh the eastern terrified let's move gowns and maybe even law but that leave margolis obviously not in ukraine's investment had better and that's why i think they'd be all right less late 2 by the by the americans but i mean that of that would be the end there. if there's a war it's like getting you know in 30. rigid ok ukraine one but the

country will be broken down and i think that's it berry much but now it's all right gentlemen that's all the time we want to make my guess and here in moscow and want to make our viewers watching us here are you see you next time remember. he was looking to hold this edition. of the 1st one to the west we just couldn't stomach. as you listen to this who do. you think it was national cockney. petroleum coating the protein comfortable.

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