lance this room over here it's obviously a gym. ok. and we're in well this appears to be a kitchen i guess because of the microwave and by the way look at the c.c.t.v. cameras there average where all over so let's move on ok so this is were causing a lot or those who take part in experiments they live. so this is yeah this is the light control the mirror yeah. yeah it's not too it's not to be 3 cramped space here but. yeah this is what you get when you are on a very important space assignment of a chicken or you there in an enclosed space with a console so the family the deprived of communications and isolated from the outside world they don't receive news and have no idea what's going on they can't go outside for a walk they don't know if it's day or night and the biorhythms get thrown out of

sync by staying in this environment or this has a negative effect on the psychological well being you know after decades of space exploration there is still a lot of the unknown and the more you research it on the ground the safer is going to be out there in space and cosmic coverage of the 60th anniversary of the garlands flight continues with my colleague you know neil he is here in half an hour's time i hope you can join us then.

hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter lavelle there are calls for a 911 style investigation into the capitol hill riots of january 6th is this an effort to seek the truth or to fabricate another massive political hoax also does nato want russia and ukraine to go to war. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guests george samueli in budapest he's a pop caster at the gaggle which can be found on you tube and rumble and here in moscow we're joined by dmitri bobbish he is a political analyst and editor and knows me internet media project hi gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's start out with george and budapest george you know ever

since the the riots of january 6th have been there's been talk all the way from the n.c. the all the way down to when this n.b.c. and c.n.n. and all that. wall street journal washington post on and on for a 911 style investigation here on the face of it i don't have a problem with that at all i mean barely the d.o.j. is doing something they need more time that's all we find out ok but i really worry is this another is this in the extension to the russia gate hoax or this ain't a completely new incarnation because given what we've seen over the last 5 years or what what hope and trust you have that this isn't going to turn into a political witch hunt had george well of course we had no such quote or trust and remember the 911 but it wasn't commission or was it so because the most important piece of information was actually with el traum the public mainly the role model of

saudi arabia which we still are fully about you know a little more than we did when he was less public but we still don't know the full extent of it so that's not exactly a good good just meant we want to buy 11 commission of what is rather sinister about this letter. 5 about from the signatories all along. 2. all of the ninety's all the nature and of the united states invasion of iraq that subsequently maybe it's all these are all people names that we're very familiar with you know we have people like james clapper ben rhodes you know everyone that you would think of our friend of example benign of ukraine gate. and if you read this letter on it what does it say it's a not really to find out why the policing was so wrong. let's go astray on the 6th why did the police. to react initially why did they overreact.

that's all they're interested in they want to get at the white supremacy white supremacy they use that right even though no evidence of any white supremacy involvement we want to get domestic terrorism domestic greener. and then more sinister he they talk about. coordinate this information about they that they have to address and the nontransparent financing now what does it all mean well what they want congress the boss laws to enable the government to just because people d. platform and say you know george i did this to kind of in the preamble to this in 0 twitter and facebook and nothing to worry about ok it is vehicles of this misinformation im information just information here jima. george brought up the

$911.00 report which actually it actually was the foundation of the patriot acts and then we knew will here and that was a power grab a power grab to dave not me link it will it relinquished in this day so i guess the parallel is this $911.00 like investigation of january 6th is going to be a way to duplicate the patriot act just domestically and george mentioned seeking out white supremacists i think what they're saying subtext reading between the lines trying supporters go ahead name. well yes and it's typical for a new year the telly theory and ideology to demonize bit a new me and not known just the obvious fact so i think the most of all various absurdity of the 911 investigation was that 50 an hour to 1000 terrorists who committed this hideous terrorist act where a citizen so saudi arabia none of them was an iraq yet none of them was

a libyan none of them was in the rainy and but it was leaving iraq and possibly now iran these contests are targeted by the us in the frame for all that so-called war on terror a right of the same story here i mean now we have these people now siege in in jail like this you know getting mad and you know basically. saying that they are so sorry about what happened 'd to put these waves that means that they were true both you see that they are not russian agents you know they are not part of a jewish conspiracy or something but the state just doesn't want to or not which is the obvious that not everyone escapee who lives there the actions of the government with the poorest of the democratic party i mean right now the population is going to cough up premiums for these so-called infrastructure reform right so they're

establishing an insight society and how do these generals disappointed their lead they say oh christopher a from the f.b.i. said it was not an isolated event you know there is a conspiracy behind it we have to go to the root so it you know we have to uncover all these people and unfortunately the same story in europe westfield how many basically 6 months away from their election in germany is in september but already d.s.p. can imagine published a huge investigate. col russia and all that more wine and actors are pulling in judo influence these elections so it's the same picture everywhere. brings up a great point here georgie it's seems to me again the way the russia gate hoax actually corralled the being the center of politics and progressives importantly and this isn't a repetition of the dollar ok i but i always saw in russia gate as

a. an agenda to corral political forces to keep him in line and i think we seeing the same thing to know $15.00 an hour per pro for workers ok no health care but white supremacy oh my god and that's how they keep their coalition together through fear and orange oh that's exactly right and let's remember what russia gate hoax was about they seized on some nonsense which is that few russians may have balls some ads facebook to make some money anybody can and they cooked up a complete hoax that putin himself did what it got involved in the 2016 election in order to secure the election of donald trump no 2 evidence whatsoever for any of this was ever present it but it kept the hoax going and you know the moment that

the mala reports came up as a ukraine gate hoax came into operation so you can see what's really going on and now we've got the john you're the 6 folks down in europe they talk about violent extremism they know i'm not want us i'm in that capitol hill or riot as bill was arrested who had any instruments of violence everything that many guns no one has been arrested with a gun so that was ok you have now created a hoax that there was a violent insurrection on january the 6th and then you can just keep it. this is going but it's a violent insurrection being fed by sinister people like donald trump then the government must go into action to crackdown on it so that was the same thing with russia gate well russia is everywhere trying to destroy body politics trying to destroy our democracy so yeah that's why it is it is so important to maintain this folks and i mean that these are all people all the people signed this letter o.

actively involved the russian gay folks ukraine gay folks and house to china to say . you know. this it seems to me that the this is just purely a political agenda be president best the is the end in itself going going through the process of vetting people and and making it. legitimizing in normalising everyone has to be bedded in the military in the police and academia. basically it's a kind of a. transference of the control that they had during this pandemic of control over people's lives they want to institutionalize it and they want to pick winners and losers of course the winners will be people that support this agenda anyone that resists obviously is a internal domestic enemy and that's how they're going to do it and it's a great way to control people. well i want to have people hold that thought on in

the united states but they're all the walled that somehow the united states off to this terrible electional will come back to normalcy and all the people know it and that. joe biden is a centrist he's not the progress if is long right to go but we see that basically it doesn't matter who biden east cost down much more powerful force and off and the 2nd reason is basically a already way you have the so-called centrist audience because. and more and more aggressive i mean look the wars in iraq and in yugoslavia were started by people in august who officially were not the extreme right the extreme left they where the so-called moderates sat on the drum and social democrats for the white sake went to war for the 1st time since 1405 in yugoslavia the same story here basically of their so-called american sat that has become so corrupt and so paranoid i mean any

question of bob they lections which wearing didn't you know very very strange and they won't of people have questions any such question is now well a boat s. a conspiracy theory you know we see how good washington pols goest off the door horny you know if we just question you know questioning once we're in the long you know why why a big tech company as you know why don't you know they have actually why are there so many questions about the identity on the people who vote and what did you do with questions but what they're trying to do is to nip in the bottom any kind of just sound you know the next election is going to be out with these $11000000.00 immigrants but. those of them who want to hold for democrats will push our way gently through and don't you dad to resist if you're good to resist and that means your one of those people who acted on january the 6th that's the message i think you know if george this is really another elaborate form of intimidation and it

goes and very basic a basic right of freedom of speech freedom of assembly and even freedom of worship i mean if you look at a lot of these blue states again they they they attacked religion ok last 40 seconds go to you for this part go ahead george it is examination because it will be it's a mechanism to ensure that people whose views we don't like will not be able to get a platform they will not be on the social media and we're in luck they won't even be able. get a u.r.l. they won't even be on the internet they would just cease to exist and that's one way and that's why they won't be able to raise any money that's why they bring up this issue of financing and you know we saw this when the case of some of these defendants the media are actively ensuring that some of these joining the 6 defendants 2 not to get any money for their defense ok we're going to keep it on down here gentlemen we're going to go to your break now in your break we'll

continue our discussion real mistake or. loose but i can't hold this in. you just the 1st one to the west we just can stumble through the pages. as you listen to this would do him good except. the people think it was national caught off. the top of. the protein. a little. bit some of those are going to pose a risk. to. their capital supporters who put in these critics one of the ways of getting in the room because. it's

a shame you don't live to be smeared. all over you you. oppose someone. because of the old style if you will is the truth. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle this is the home edition to remind you that we're discussing some we'll news. well there is go back to here in moscow. you know on this program we're keeping a very close sign what's going on in the internal politics of what's going on in ukraine and how outside forces namely nato appears to be stoking.

an aggressive stance and of course russia is reacting so as i said in my introduction of a very simple question for both of you is nato trying to get russia and ukraine to go to war. well i think that nato will once a small conflict which ukraine will more strike you move more strike you will then go on bus rebels themselves without crushing can bolt bought a nato needs. need some pretext will stop crying fault saying or russia got involved in this crisis you know it can't be that these rebels just defeated on their own there must be russian instructors there must be russian involvement well the problem is that if. this huge ration gets really serious we know from the georgian experience of each that nato will not compromise how you create so basically the ukraine is not interest that's him in

a real battle they understand that nato will not help now you know ultimately so. it was not of course russia will stop the confrontation because look for russia it's the least appropriate moment you know the fadal the north jim joe has been decided right now all this is in you would be astray shouldn't you know the united states would all want a terrible stop for it you know i think we had we had a bomb or you know the table and all of ministration so the only party that was. interesting point you're creating because you know. basically mr selenski lost the local 'd election here was his ratings were down he didn't get any calls from western leaders for months now you've got a call from biden he's got a call from boris johnson he talked to a young stole the back from a fuel stop and back said the whole stupidity is slake nato will not give you a lol your

a privileged ah odors you was also pretty spot name 2008 so these are all dangerous brew occasions whose aim is to put the blame on russia and this was discussed in russia and a lot of people said by the ukrainians prove all you can us you know the russian hawks and then you know my friend roxanne you should trump understand who is already experienced john as you said yes the problem is that the west will quickly forget the provocation from the ukrainians right went before god that is more saakashvili who started there is still a chance on the 7th of august 1st 2008 it was like a seemingly who bombarded seen violet only lead to russian guns involved but you know the western public is just fed part of the story that's the usual tactic you know they got the beginning or they got there and you know they they feed the public the bought that is most 'd of that is in the interest of all their ultra liberal ideology and they and they just forget about the rest it happens very

rarely that we have the articles like the one in the. demo you can spectator recently which basically reminded people that you know me called them and they make a mess in the ukraine by william smith he just reminded people of the author of the american spectator it was the us who held the coup in 2014 which actually started the whole the whole charade isn't there and that article mentioned for the 1st time i think in in 7 years that it was victoria nuland who basically a point that the new ukrainian. brain meanest being postponed for anyone that has watched this program along the years knows that we have ronald and you're in need you know tonight michael wanted modern and down in georgia with me interesting dreamy as it is this is a gambit where the ukraine and the ukrainian was all in ski is provoking a comment like that he knows he will lose militarily but hoping that he will get

political room war and later as a pretty cavalier calculus would you agree it is a very cavalier but it is a this is a remarkable phenomenon taking place which is you have. last week. tronson john in a dating thought in a video conference flow but they may have putin were very reasonable. they seem to be in agreement that there needs to be a deescalation then 1 france and germany issue a joint statement talk about a game deescalation or all sides they talk about violations of the cease fire on all sides either a remarkable statement for france and germany to make then the americans go into action so we have blinken making phone calls to the french foreign minister. you have been making phone calls to heikal nasr germany and suddenly it's a very different it's all russia all russian provocation all russian aggression

russia's aggressive on the line of contact in the ukraine russia's aggressive in crimea russia's aggressive and ukraine's borders so now suddenly france and germany . scooped up within the sort of the american position so you have to think that the american goal all along is that they don't really care about don't ask them accounts but they do care about trying to get ukraine into nato is once they get ukraine into nato they basically russia's completely cut off from europe and i think that's the goal they didn't get mean ukraine. it's very bad for ukraine if they lose the dumba but the american goal is you know whichever way it goes ukraine you know ukraine's defeated fine but now now this is known they can be no further resistance to getting ukraine into nato and i think america is a play of a dangerous game have a set a state game but i think that that's what they like it because there's no calls at all on the part of the americans 1st for any sort of even handed approach of

a deescalation they need looking for this conflict if they need to how do you know and again you know what the western audiences are not very well informed i mean there was a b. escalation process we had the normandy format we had the the men's one and to agreements were russians a guarantee for us and it's very very simple and straight forward actually you can you can it's like you can put it on one page so straight forward here and when there is a call to burn deescalation we didn't because this is an intra ukraine comp like we have to remind everybody ok when in ukraine. isn't meaning the dumbass as we call it here on this program the proposal is this is to decentralize in ukraine where they can stay they can stay with within the borders of ukraine but the united states particularly is adequately against that because it's a winner take all no compromised in this approach when it actually begs

a war to happen when you have a 0 sum approach go ahead while you are right you know for the country like ukraine otto which was basically in the title. of your own man yeah just you know 70 years ago and out of pocket has been up all the russia for centuries you know. of course for such a country of federal federalism is the solution everyone understands meant by it that it was the united states and the nationalists your cranium. well and supported by the united states that were adamant against federalism you know that their president who's. the president who was in basically our state with help from the united states and the e.u. what was the name of his party because the name of your no college party aren't your region it's you know as was the idea that our ukraine consists of very different parts of the same people so it was only nature will have these

decentralization but i'm afraid it's not going to happen and to draw upon a very important subject we had a very irresponsible statement from jillian's in the ukraine and present this with you further i called all the way to solve the don't pass problem is to make your brain a member of nato what does it mean if your brain becomes a member of nato as here as you once that russia occupies occupy us auto nato craney are you know. if georgia becomes a member of nato as it was promised in 2008 then russia or your part is a positive that you have a cause bailey radii you know you have a legally clear situation where you get all nato must wage of war on russia this is a response simple this is the way these people conduct politics and is it is can the stance you lost the. trust of the people who people who voted for you 75

percent of ukrainians voted for him in 2100 because they expected peace in gone bust better relations with russia normal relations with the west but you know what happened was there basically is against you continual poroshenko was always just and ross was just he's doing great i was very much like trump you know it was not coincidental that he called trump his teacher in their infamous conversation last year which almost cost stronger it. position you know look. at ski eason basically pursuing the same technique he beats for the maximum way grain is a member of nato in this way he holds the trash no one seed because you know in order to prove that such a terrible prospect of pressure will of course abandon the people and old boss and they can have you know ukrainian travel down and destroy all the time and stuff it

doesn't own that they you know castle they amnesty in which they never now and now and for the people going bust so basically this is the same tactic i asked mr trump and in general i mean if we woke up in a general trend what was it that biden and the west deed in the last few months that all so different from trump then that trade war with china continues you know the country invasion with russia continuously even even on the green to ski well and we all know everybody and letting in a time but you're right it's always fun there's bipartisan support for the worst things against george last minute to you one of my favorite things to say about ukraine and give you one minute to finish up she is that ukraine is and going east it isn't going west it's staying exactly where it is in this is what people in nato capitals don't understand one minute you are that i think that would be the ideal i mean is that somehow ukraine would be able to actually makes that gather and go exist with all these different parts of it unfortunately the west of the united

states alexander their own it's been the same again since 1009. out of europe once a role and to incorporate as much of the former soviet union within nato or as they can and the price of that may well be the last oh the eastern turkey the let's move gowns and maybe even more but that's the american goal it's obviously not in ukraine's invisible hand. and that's why i think that the bush reckless name by the by the americans. i mean. that would that would be the end here. and there's a war it's like getting you know a 30. ridden ok ukraine one but the country will be broken down and i think that's good barry much good all right gentlemen that's all the time you heard me i want to thank my guests budapest and here in moscow and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are you see you next time remember.

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