create more growth so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interest something in history except that we are british and we want regulation i was industry and if we don't behave as indians penalty that's fine. despite a curfew riots continue into the 19 minnesota law for a black man who was shot by a police officer as they were going to traffic stop classifying tear gas i've been used to disperse the crowd of protesters outside a local police to bomb. tempers flare in italy as restaurant owners the mall and the riot to reopen after a nice to cope with shut down. austria says it's reached an agreement with russia to buy a 1000000 doses of the sporting week over the boxing song for the country's doctors chamber devised to approve the shot. thankful and grateful

to russia that we are able to buy your. safety and for close to coming away just a few moments in time for u.k. viewers it's renegade neil harvey will be here and now it's time to get you up to speed on the morning news headlines to join us again that. shallow in welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter there are calls for a 911 style investigation into the capitol hill riots of january 6th is this an effort to seek the truth or to fabricate another massive political hoax also does nato want russia and ukraine to go to war.

to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guests george samueli in budapest he's a pop caster at the gaggle which can be found on you tube and rumble and here in moscow we're joined by dmitri bobbish he is a political analyst and editor and knows me internet media project originally cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's start out with george and budapest george you know ever since the the riots of january 6th have been there's been talk all the way from the all the way down to embassy n.b.c. and c.n.n. and all that. wall street journal washington post on and on for a 911 style investigation here on the face of it i don't have a problem with that at all i mean about barely the d.o.j.

is doing something they need more time that's all we find out ok but i really worry is this another is this in the extension to the russia gate hoax or this in a completely new incarnation because given what we've seen over the last 5 years or what what hope and trust you have that this isn't going to turn into a political witch hunt had george well of course we had no such quote or trust and remember the 911 but it wasn't commission or was it still what joe because the most important piece of information was actually with el traum the public mainly the role model of saudi arabia which we still are fully about you know a little more than we did when he was less public but we still don't know the full extent of it so that's not exactly a good advertisement for we want to buy 11 commissioner what is rather sinister about this letter. 5 about the bottom of the signatories all along.

2. all of the ninety's all the nature and of the united states invasion of iraq that subsequently maybe it's all these are all people names that we're very familiar with you know we have people like james clapper ben rhodes you know everyone that you would think of our friend of example been man of ukraine gate. and if you read this letter on it what does it say it's a not really to find out why the policing was so wrong. let's go astray on the 6th why did the police. to react initially why did they overreact. that's all they're interested in they want to get at the white supremacy white supremacy they use that word even though no evidence of any white supremacy involvement we want to get domestic terrorism domestic greener. and then

more sinister he they talk about. coordinate this information about they that they have to address and the nontransparent financing not as it will mean well what they want but congress the boss laws to enable the government to just have people deep platforms and say no george i did this to kind of in the preamble to this is here that twitter and facebook have nothing to worry about ok here's vehicles of this missing for an m m permission just information here. george brought up the $911.00 report which actually it actually was the foundation of the patriot acts and then we knew will here and that was a power grab a power grab to dave not me link it will it relinquished in this day so i guess the parallel is this $911.00 like investigation of january 6th is going to be a way to duplicate the patriot act just domestically and george mentioned seeking

out white supremacists i think what they're saying subtext reading between the lines trying supporters go ahead. well yes and it's typical for a new year to tell you terry and i go and you demonize bit a new me and not know it just the obvious fact so i think the most of all various absurdity of the 911 investigation was that 15 out of 1000 terrorists who committed this hideous terrorist act where a us citizen so saudi arabia not all of them was an iraq yet none of them was a libyan none of them was in the rainy and but it was leaving iraq and possibly now iran these contests are targeted by the us in the frame for all that so-called war on terror a right of the same story here i'm in now we have these people now see gin in jail

like this you know getting mad and you know basically. saying that they are so sorry abolish what happened 'd to put these waves the means that they were through both you see that they are not russian agents you know they are not part of a jewish conspiracy or something but the state just doesn't want to or not which is the obvious that not everyone is k.p. who is where the actions of the government with the polish or the democratic party i mean right now the population is going to cough up 3 millions for this so-called infrastructure reform right so there is station in sight society and how do these general cease pointed their lead they say oh christopher a from the f.b.i. said it was not an isolated event you know there is a conspiracy behind it we have to go to the root so we do you know we have to uncover all these people and unfortunately the same story in europe best deal how

many basically 6 months away from their election in germany is in september but already jewish people magazine published a huge investigate. how russia handled that my line and actress i'm pulling in judo influence these elections so it's the same picture everywhere. brings up a great point here georgie it's seems to me again the way the russia gate hoax actually corralled the being the center of politics and progressives importantly and this isn't a repetition of the dollar ok i but i always saw in russia gate as a. an agenda to corral political forces to keep him in line and i think we seeing the same thing to know $15.00 an hour per pro for workers ok no health care but white supremacy oh my god and that's how they keep

their coalition together through fear and orange oh that's exactly right and let's remember what russia gate hoax was about they seized on some nonsense which is that few russians may have bought some ad facebook to make some money anybody can and they cooked up a complete hoax that putin himself did what it got involved in the 2016 election in order to secure the election of donald trump no 2 evidence whatsoever for any of this was ever present it but it kept the hoax going and you know the moment that the mala reports came up as a ukraine gate hoax came into operation so you can see what's really going on and now we've got the john you're the 6 folks down in europe they talk about violent extremism they know and not want us and in that capitol hill or riot as bill was arrested who had any instruments of violence everything that many guns no one has

been arrested with a gun so that was ok you have now created a hoax that there was a violent insurrection on january the 6th and then you can just keep it. this is going but it's a violent insurrection being fed by sinister people like donald trump then the government must go into action to crackdown on it so that was the same thing with russia gate well russia is everywhere it seems trying to destroy a body politic strike to destroy our democracy so yeah that's why it is it is so important to maintain this folks and i mean that these are all people all the people signed this letter o. actively involved the russian gatos ukraine gave hoax and house to china to say. you know. this it seems to me that the this is just purely a political agenda be president best the is the end in itself going going through the process of vetting people and and making it. legitimizing in normalising

everyone has to be bedded in the military in the police and academia. basically it's a kind of a. transference of control that they had during this pandemic of control over people's lives they want to institutionalize it and they want to pick winners and losers of course the winners will be people that support this agenda anyone that resists obviously is a internal domestic enemy and that's how they're going to do it and it's a great way to control people. oh well i want to have people hold on in the united states but they're all the walled that somehow the united states after this terrible actionable come back to normalcy and all the people know it and that. joe biden is a centrist he's not the progress you have is long right to go but we see that basically it doesn't matter who biden east cost now much more powerful force and

off and the 2nd reason is basically a already way you have the so-called centrist party has become. i mean more and more aggressive i mean look the wars in iraq and in yugoslavia were started by people in august who officially were not the extreme right the extreme left they were the so-called moderates sat on the german social democrats for the what sake went to war for the 1st time since 1405 in yugoslavia the same story here basically of their so-called american sat that has become so corrupt and so paranoid i mean any question they lections which wearing didn't you know very very strange and the won't of people have questions any such question is now ole boat s. a conspiracy theory you know we see how good washington pols goest off george horny you know if we just question you know questioning once we're in the long you know

why why a big tech company as you know why don't you know they have actually why there are so many questions and all the identity all the people who vote in these o.t. judgement questions but what they're trying to do is to nip in the bottom any kind of just sand you know the next election is going to be out with these $11000000.00 immigrants but. those of them who want to hold for democrats will push our way gently through and don't you dad to resist if you're good to resist and that means your one of those people who acted on january the 6th that's the message i think you know if george this is really another elaborate form of intimidation and it goes at the very basic a basic right of freedom of speech freedom of assembly and even freedom of worship i mean if you look at a lot of these blue states again they they they attacked religion ok last 40 seconds go to you for this part go ahead george it is it's imitation because it

will be it's a mechanism to ensure that people whose views we don't like will not be able to get a platform they will not be on the social media and we're in luck they won't even be able. get a u.r.l. that won't even be on the internet they were just cease to exist and that's one way and that's why they won't be able to raise any money that's why they bring up this issue of financing and you know we saw this when the case of some of these defendants the media are actively ensuring that some of these joining the 6 defendants 2 not to get any money for their defense ok we're going to keep it all on down here gentlemen we're going to go to your break now and we'll continue our discussion real estate.

welcome back to cross talk were all things are considered i'm peter lavelle this is

the home edition to remind you we're discussing some real news. i mean this go back to here in moscow. you know on this program we're keeping a very close sign what's going on in the internal politics of what's going on in ukraine and how outside forces namely nato appears to be stoking. an aggressive stance and of course russia is reacting so as i said in my introduction of a very simple question for both of you is nato trying to get russia and ukraine to go to war. well i think that nato will once a small conflict which your crane will more strike you move more strike you will then go on bus rebels themselves without crushing can bolt bought a nato needs need some pretext will stop crying fall to start saying all

russia got involved in this crisis you know it can't be that these rebels just defeated on their own there must be russian instructors there must be russian involvement well the problem is that if. if this huge ration gets really serious we know from the georgian experience of each that nato will not compromise how you create so basically the ukraine is not interest that in in a real battle they understand that nato will not help now you know ultimately so. it was not of course russia will start that base confrontation because look for russia it's the least appropriate moment you know the fadal the north jim joys. been decided right now this is a new would be a stray ssion in the united states we don't want a terrible start for it you know with

a bomb or you know the table and or ministration so the only party that was interested was your creation because you know. basically mr selenski lost the local election here was his ratings were down he didn't get any calls from western leaders for months now you've got a call from biden he's got a call from boris johnson he talked to a young stoltenberg from maple stover back said the vote of stupidity is slake nato will not give you a law on your a privileged partner giorgio was also privileged bachmann befalls an aide so these are all dangerous brew occasions whose aim is to put the blame on russia and this was discussed in russia and a lot of people said but ukraine is prove all the canucks you know the russian hawks and then you know my friend roxanne you should from understand who is a really experienced journalist you said yes the problem is that the west will quickly forget the provocation from the ukrainian state when they forgot that it

was saakashvili who started that christina just on the 7th of august 1st 2008 it was like a seemingly who bombarded seen violet only lead to russian question vote but you know the western public is just fed part of the story that's the usual tactic you know they got the beginning or they got there and you know they they feed the public the box that is most 'd that is in the interest of all their ultra liberal ideology and they and they just forget about the rest it happens very rarely that we have the articles like the one in the. demo you can spectator recently which basically reminded people that you know me called the american mess in the ukraine by william smith he just reminded people of the author of the american spectator it was the u.s. who helped the coup in. falzon 14 which actually just out of the whole the whole tragedy did that and that i tickle mentioned for the 1st time i think in the in 7

years that it was dictorial knew and who basically a point of the new york cranial brain meanest thing proposing for anyone that has watched this program along the years knows that we have ronald and you're in tonight michael wanted bonnet on the get out and george with me interesting dreamy as it is this is a gambit where the ukraine in the ukrainian was so in ski is provoking a comment like that he knows he will lose militarily but hoping that he will get political room warrants later as a pretty cavalier calculus would you agree it is very cavalier but it is a this is a remarkable phenomenon taking place which is you have. last week. france and germany dating thought in a video conference call with but they may have putin were very reasonable. they seem to be in agreement that there needs to be a deescalation then 1 france and germany issue a joint statement talk about

a game deescalation or all sides they talk about violations of the cease fire on all sides rather a remarkable statement for france and germany to make then the americans go into action so we have blinken making phone calls to the french foreign minister. you have been making phone calls to heikal nasr germany and suddenly it's a very different it's all russia all russian provocation all russian aggression russia's aggressive on the line of contact in ukraine russia's aggressive in crimea russia's aggressive and ukraine's borders so now suddenly france and germany are scooped up within the sort of the american position so you have to think that the american goal all along is. that they don't really care about donetsk and lugansk but they do care about trying to get ukraine into nato is once they get ukraine into nato then basically russia's completely cut off from europe and i think that's

the goal then or you don't get mean you're great it's very bad for you great if they lose the but the american goal is you know whichever way it goes ukraine you know ukraine's defeated fine but now now this is known they can be no further resistance to getting ukraine into nato and i think america is a play of a dangerous game have a set a state game but i think that that's what they like it because there's no calls at all on the part of the americans 1st for any sort of even handed approach of a deescalation they need looking for this conflict if they didn't go you know again you know western audiences are not very well informed i mean there was a b. escalation process we had the normandy format we had been in the men's one and 2 agreements were russian guarantor and it's very very simple and straight forward actually you can you can get what you can put in a one page so straightforward and when there is

a call to bring deescalation we didn't because this is an intra ukraine comp like me have to remind everybody ok when in ukraine. is it meaning the dumbasses we call in here on this program the proposal is this is to decentralize in ukraine where they can stay they can stay with within the borders of ukraine but the united states particularly is adequately against it because it's a winner take all no compromise and this approach we it when it actually begs a war to happen when you have a 0 sum approach go ahead while you are right you know for the country like ukraine otto which was basically in the title. of your own man yeah just you know 70 years ago and i. wasn't part of it has been a part of russia for same trees you know of course for such a country affair if ever it is is the solution everyone understands it but it was

the united states and the nationalist ukrainian government supported by the united states that were adamant against federalism you know that their president who's. the president who was and basically ousted with help from the united states and the e.u. what was the name of his party because the name of your no college party aren't your region it's you know as was the idea that our ukraine consists of very different parts of the same people so it was only nature will have this decentralization but i'm afraid it's not going to happen and to draw upon a very important subject we had a very irresponsible statement from jillian's in the ukraine and present this with you further i called all the way to solve the donbass problem is to make your brain a member of nato what does it mean if your brain becomes a member of nato as you once that russia occupies occupy us auto

nato craney or you know. if georgia becomes a member of nato as it was promised in 2008 then russia or your part 4 is a positive that you have a cause bailey radii you know you have a legally clear situation where you nato must wage of war on russia this is a response simple this is the way these people conduct politics and yet again the stance you lost the trust of the people the people who voted for you 75 percent of ukrainians voted for him in 2100 because they expected peace in gone bust better relations with russia normal relations with the west but you know what happened was there basically is against you continued poroshenko was only. just and morris would say yes he is doing great i was very much like trump you know it was not coincidental that he called trump he's teacher in that infamous conversation last

year which almost cost trump his position you know look. at ski eason basically pursuing the same tactic he beats for the maximum way grain is a member of nato in this way he holds the trash no one seed because you know in order to prove that such a terrible prospect of pressure will of course abandon the people and old boss and they can have you know your brain can travel down and destroy all the elements that it doesn't want that they you know castle they amnesty in which they never now and now most all of the people gone bust so basically this is the same tactic i asked mr trump and in general i mean if you look at the general trend what was it that biden and the west deed in the last few months that all so different from trump then their trade war with china continues you know the country invasion with russia continuously even even on the green to ski well and we all know everybody and

living in a time but you're right it's always been that there's bipartisan support for the worst things again george last minute to use one of my favorite things to say about ukraine and give you one minute to finish up she is that ukraine is and going east it isn't going west it's staying exactly where it is in this is what people in nato capitals don't understand one minute you are that i think that would be the ideal means that somehow ukraine would be able to actually makes that gather and live go exist with all these different parts of it unfortunately the west of the united states alexander their own it's been the same again since 1009. out of europe once a role and to incorporate as much but it was only a unit within nato or as i can and the price of that may well be the last oh the eastern. there are let's move gowns and maybe. the martin dollars obviously not in ukraine's investment. and that's why i think they'd be all right less 2 by the by

the americans but i mean that of that would be the end here. if there is a war it's like getting you know a 30. rigid ok ukraine one but the country will be broken down and i think that's it berry much all right gentlemen that's all the time we're here want to make my guest and here in moscow and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are you see you next time remember. but the damage no certainly no blood is just flying into nationalities. as a word we told them was the we don't look like seeing the whole world needs to be.

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