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the international criminal court avesta geisha into alleged war crimes by israel in these areas it gives the impression of being a partial and prejudicial prejudicial attack on a friend an ally of the u.k.'s netanyahu of course said it had been diluted and he semitism. well it's particularly i think painful when it comes to britain because there is a british responsibility for the suffering of the palestinian which goes back to $917.00 of the balfour declaration and ever since the bulk of the gratian so many of the british decision so many many of its policy making has contributed directly to the palestinian catastrophe 948 and to the catastrophes that followed. now i know some of the british diplomats on the ground in the west bank they do sent every month a report to britain i'm sure boris johnson doesn't read these reports but these are
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some of these diplomats are honest people and if you read their reports you would rush to the international. criminal court to try and prosecute israel for its crimes so it's not even a matter of ignorance on the part of the british government it is not only knowingly that they provide this international umbrella for criminal policy of which they are fully aware and i would add to this the military support of britain gives to israel some even military training in all of this is of course sustaining the israeli policies and immunize israel from any into any effective international rebuke there is necessary given the imbalance on the ground between honesty and israelis. to you and other academics callers on the
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subject of being campaigning for decades let alone the people of palestine i think changing now in the united states maybe that will have an impact on britain a democrat from minnesota betty mccollum introducing legislation in the united states to make military aid conditional on the detention of children this after all being palestine prisoners day do you think you wouldn't have heard that before that legislation would even be considered in the u.s. about the detention and ledge torture of children by an israel backed by the united states the european union in the u k. i think one happens is that. in the last 2025 years. and very significant should now american public opinion. research. on if you want pondered stronger or on the political system.
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bob. thank you we can see the beginning of. 1 1 more and more. and more we will hear more about that especially in the democratic party should not be. too long before we will hear people. making statements. to the reality on the wrong spectrum not optimistic about the body ministration but i do think this is a very it's a process of you know big big. very snowy there is a change it's not given our. people. but hopefully we will come back to this. well that were involved.
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on the way to changing and. stop the suffering of the understanding on the ground because as you say it must be very give me when his name anita jeremy corbyn was brought down about accusations of anti-semitism when he brought up palestine and as for lloyd austin joe biden's pentagon was just declared a. commitment to israel in the face of accusations like the ones you're making about child attention. we are talking about special courts for children of israel holds and abuses under strain in children and children who are prisoners but in many ways if you want to look at the journey called for for instance on the one hand yes it is a successful. policy by the lobby to destroy his political career.
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on the other hand it means that there are now people in positions of importance leaders of opposition parties and so on who are now such talking. about their support for the palestinian cause and of course the opposition will do all it can to silence them and stifle the debate but i think it also shows that something is changing just shows that the campaign is not over people are going to look up what you've been accused of obviously i mean. central to the debate about palestine is probably being toward schools right across the european union is this phrase 2 state solution do you see the phrase 2 state solution now as a code for continuing to jail torturing children bombing damascus who knows what your government gets up to is the phrase 2 state solution
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a cover. i think it's that's a cover for israel where it's far more a cover for the west. government doesn't talk about 2 state solution hasn't been talking about 2 state solutions it's not turning out into power but i think the west leaders of the west are talking about a 2 state solution as an excuse to say well you know maybe israel is doing that or other thing violates human rights and civil rights systematically but because around the corner there is a peace agreement based on a 2 state solution we don't have to interfere and we don't have to do anything against these violations because 7 that's the formula these violation would stop once the 2 state solution would become a reality now everyone who has been on the ground for more than 5 minutes knows that the 2 state solution has been dead now for a very long time and its body lies in the more the only thing we need is
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a funeral just to establish that but i think it is. a good excuse for especially governments like the british government and the american government to remain idle and do nothing in the face of a very feasible. continued violation of human rights and civil rights which includes views of the rights of others in children. on the ground. if one can forgive british civil society or any of the mainstream media for not covering human rights abuses in the middle east it might be not only the duke of edinburgh's for you know but it by all the be a huge corruption scandal breaking here about lobbying what do you make of the level of lobbying that emanates from from the middle east the replacement for jeremy corbyn refused on state when they could be missing before his leadership
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election to admit he was taking money from a known. person who supported israeli interests in the middle east war i know you're going to write a book on it that so called the lobby which i should say israel considers just the phrase anti-semitic. aspects of this story really hit me when i went into the material. this is being going on for gov. all the. while the in britain and i think that's one reason it's so resilient it's knowing that. started yesterday ordered a new post yesterday it started in your 2nd novel the 19th century the 2nd aspect which is very important during member it's not just the jewish community that supports this maulvi reza strong. fundamentals gresham europe in britain as well we
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think that only exists in the right its name because it's small visible there but it's a very powerful lobby in the united kingdom as well and i think. this is why. so many aspects of british policy how would the question. now no way to challenge it. that way. and the principle means to stifle debate on policy in silence be. criticised isn't people have to realize. what's happening in palestine is not just about palestine it's a moral you know moral position against all nations human rights in the word not only in palestine. and empower people.
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you know many reasons vary. to try. and blame all races and i'm the sentiment is no we're not taking your remark that all of them are opposition against great certainly in that case resigned is going to present a lot of a thank you after the break we go to england's 1st colony island where violence on the streets of belfast could signal a united ireland. i feel smell like it's a cold this is huge huge but the 1st point of the for us to give conformity with the 100. i chose to use for doing that. if it was national cocking.
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such a layered approach. to the painting outlook of the year. it's a lot of what you're going to pull from. there but will support school board if you put it on up the list was a good idea to leave because. she knew the life of this new. employer someone. as a result of telling you at least 80. today
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the industry prefers to spend millions of euros in you know being. a relations will be sniffy it's all about making money making profits in some of the big corporations international markets import export do you imagine the number of currently diseases that are in every community today it is not due to new viruses or new microbes that is not true so it is due to environment. not going to say either they love mental discipline or this really just accumulate could only come in to seeing them to be any less than. the plague. if the so food
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industry is successful it will create more jobs it will create more value added it will create more growth so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interest something into st cloud said that we are british and we want regulation i was in just belief we don't behave zaniest penalty that's fine. psychiatric drugs are essential for millions of patients. they want that pill that they hope will take care of their problem thoroughly and rapidly in the short term they really work the problem is in the long term and mostly disastrous suddenly stopping a drug can cause withdrawal symptoms more serious than the condition it was meant to treat instead of the beneficial effects of these different medicines ending up to something wonderful and very often there are full effects of it up to something
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terrible can bill solve all ills probably. trying to medicate life itself i just think i was and like i was just scared i was a scared little girl i was 24 and like. i didn't have to be so complicated. welcome back as violence continues on the streets of belfast in the wake of the 23rd anniversary of the signing of the good friday agreement u.k. prime minister morris johnson seems more preoccupied with the scandal over corporations lobbying members of his government than arguably the worst violence seen in northern ireland for decades here's what northern ireland 1st minister eileen foster said about the rioting the scenes we have seen over the last evening and previous evenings in various parts of northern ireland are totally unacceptable there can mean no place in our society for violence or the threat of violence and it must all just as it was wrong in the past and was never justified so what is
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wrong i cannot be justified the injury to the front line officers victims terrorists damage to people's property the harm to northern ireland's image in this arson tinner year has taken us backwards and no brick no bottle no patter of bone thrown has achieved or can ever achieve anything but destruction arm and fear. we are indebted to the police officers he stand between order and those who prefer anarchy we are also indebted to all those political representatives community leaders parents pastors and others who have sought to count tension and urge restraint enforced the leader of the u.p.a. there joining me now from his constituency is the shin fein m.p. from middleton from malloy for the thanks so much for coming back on the show well in foster this is distracting all the violence from the real war breakers shin fame
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no evidence to suggest that the u.p.a. has been involved in the violence and it's quite and out of it what is your take being where i think one is it's a dangerous talk where arlene directly to the sage and b.n. are they going to select after all champion leave the our partners in government in the assembly part and doing the 1st minister to it is very important that we get the rate of really key issues so that people like you feel comfortable with want to clean up the balance and has happened on the street is following on from whenever you leave particularly when it was a loyalist paramilitaries to a she said explain to them what was happening around the irish critical and what is happening around the issues around the crash that we have to remember back should preclude who she had by the british government the be rejected a number of measures and likely would have the problems around. the recall
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and the issues of black and forge and so a lot of the issues are have been highlighted are not actually the real issues that we're talking about there is usually we're talking about here is. of the concern of the loyalist paramilitaries and the weapon up of young people who have been centered to act to try and create the found on the streets when the reality. the general public are not involved in any rash are any activity on the streets well all them are people when the whole the people gathered out here in front and you don't get nearly 900 police officers or security forces are injured you mentioned that early in foster the head of the u.p.a. had met with partisan paramilitaries how does that actually work as it's been reported everywhere even maybe not in the washington post which got the story late arguably the british segment of the b.b.c. got the story late about what's been happening in derry belfast character gets all
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over ulster what he means he need to paramilitaries and they know illegal. under the good friday agreement they are under should have been disbanded a long time back there are no doors to the kitchen at all or are militant there's no justification for said communication with them because they are involved in the political process are there not the john outside of the group which was quite a loyalist parmalee it was a huge the e.v.f. another in armed commandos and this is the group of people that are named and were actually meeting with bays and were to update them on what was happening in recent days put it all in the end of their protocol was brought about by the british government because she had to try and alleviate some of the worst issues of prasad and the levy have been pretty supportive of the strongest my years of traction and we told them over and over again and was detrimental to their own community. well
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we have a lot of the top people on this show and we reinvestigated that. seeming. their own doom being sold by their support for conservative administrations here when you hear that boris johnson northern ireland secretary also says the violence is an acceptable but that the factors are complex what would you think he means well. i understand barstow is concern and should be concerned and what we're sending the 2 governments shouldn't take your eye of the ball there to govern should have to ensure that there aren't on an intranet to alleviate the bio's. wrasse whenever that happen when there switched on like this because at the loyalist paramilitaries don't like the process so that the u.p.a. don't like the issue of our larry dimension and i think again we actually have to
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question why does the what is a british government doing to try and alleviate the problem i mean do you think i mean sinn fein call for the bars on the government to respond to dublin's desire for some kind of summit now about where we are as regards this irish protocol on the border in the irish sea yes i think we do need. the. government and the british government the problem is that they leave p.r.t. don't want to be he broke off communication and they do want to participate in the east is doctors are there within the can for the agreement and what we need is the full implementation off the good friday agreement not any staying away from one not any excuses for not implemented and we don't need the shang to see it. are others trying to justify the bounds of the state as it were to something to do with the
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irish dimension you think jonson not responding to dublin favorably so far some of that he doesn't want to be involved in any summit may be a reflection of his understanding the joe biden used to well certainly supported the old ira. well joe biden had on the irish instructors in the u.s. in general there were brain which involved in the peace process the good friday agreement the clinton administration with key to bring a pretty good friend agreement and joe biden and his administration have made it clear that the good for the agreement has to be protected and we have to ensure that is fully implemented and that the. damage to that there were 90 have an act on setting up trade deals with the british government and the u.s. administration preacher joe biden and brian which on the line with what people want to see on it think you know the area community want to see the full implementation
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of the good credit reman well i'll give the border porn reunification rezek a better pot when we heard about palestine and palestinian prisoners they you've actually talked about similarities between the struggle for irish freedom and palestinian freedom just remind us all the parallels there because you have never had that in mainstream media in this country though and i think that's one of the problems at the end of the palestinian issue is that it's actually him in our freedom and freedom 1st people and the new word. concern about the trip and of the palestinian people the palestinian prisoners and and oh main the rancic are killing israel and how exactly back in the structures there was peace process is called together within palestine as well and and really the b.s.t. israel has marched and demolished the infrastructure such as to tram the process
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as i kick off the palestinian people even in this i'm of pandemic on the need for nike to bash a nation though the palestinian people have been left and abandoned though we and know tony blair is a your be an ambassador to iraq. that issue is the palestinian people he has been denying with and understanding within the irish community there were once we got the good friday agreement this unfortunately the 2 governments took their eye of the ball on the road the issue to draft and the british government and the tourists and make an agreement and the end all in our part and learn them to fall apart and run step and back in order we must in need to implement those agreements for the similarities between the palestinian people the storm people and of the similarities within you know the cuban people. are being curtailed under all imagine of what they want to achieve is being curtailed we want to see the similarities come together and on the areas people have honest they have
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communication with the palestinian people which i think with the brave people the press people and we see ourselves brain which and i see a mind. well i forgot i think tony blair was the un envoy for the middle east his wife has been on this year we invite him on but i think he's more concerned with lobbying inquiries here in westminster arguably but you talk about the similarities and you must be aware that some people believe the palestinian authority has sold out the ballots didn't cause it we had ian paisley jr on this show and he said chin fein now administer the british rule in iowa and i mean do you think bobby sands be happy with the way she unfeigned basically have ministers nor from westminster now in the north of. i think would be because they. saw the opportunity to bring political settlement and the crisis
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of the wars in the prison as a protector and nobody would do nanny to train leaving and what we should are number sectors and he took on our challenge. for the. band large. and mandate and because of the actors intentions and aftermath and the status was renewed for the prisoners within the prison so it shows and you know we do need to actually sit down and look who she had at least able to do missions just finally obviously while we're talking about protestant paramilitaries all the other parties the p.d.'s g.o.p. the u.p. the alliance the greens are calling for the deputy 1st minister michele o'neill's resignation because and it's in every news report here in britain really the reason for the rioting across ulster is because of the ira funeral of. the story
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who was very why was he so important and is this this is actually a decoys for the the deep rooted causes why impoverished partisans might desire to revolt in. yeah i think you're. you don't do your own problems on the stage there were no what we story was there was a story of a lifelong republican he had been imprisoned he had went through various different stages open terry gay shouldn't have been arrested yeah many were stoned all of those went on the at the end of the we're marching to washington on the e.p. we're trying to do distract from the real issue which is that their greed compassion read through the program protocol be important and now they're actually trying to blame everyone else but why there is rather mystery i don't believe that the ratan street as i'm in the do with what we saw on the story fear and the house and heading there were many around that particular time and since that and i know
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everything we've gone pretty straight and organized i have to make sure that the all the protocols were interest you know all the protections were in place and pretty give people the national party tell the president the brother here is in service decided not to prosecute i'm just very very briefly then another funeral the duke of edinburgh prince philip's funeral you think after that we may well see the paramilitaries back but hopefully not hopefully people will take gasping and reasons b.s. and not to return to return to the negotiating table and to make our tax walk and to ensure that the assembly and the institution turn out there the report is basically for it when are used to follow there are no justification whatsoever for ranting on the street. francine malloy thank you that's over the show will be back on monday 52 years to the days in school was involved do you get a security violent be attacked a civil rights march from belfast to derry and when we'll be investigating the
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critical time to sit down and talk. tough gun translators who have worked shoulder to shoulder with western forces in afghanistan fear for their lives and that is the plan that says if u.s. and nato troops from the country leaves them vulnerable to taliban retribution we hear from a former interpreter for the british army. they are not aware of their future they're living in trauma and fear every day not knowing what could happen tomorrow or next they didn't serve the situation is very risky for an openness in afghanistan concerns.

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