thank you i thank you very much for climbing the time thank you and son for inviting me now i heard once from matt high ranking russian general that it is a job of where responsible military command it cannot ever be surprised to be cognizant of any outcomes and yet i think there are very few people in most concluding among your former colleagues at the ministry of defense who weren't taken aback by biden reaching out to greet him directly i wonder what were your initial thoughts when you heard the news 1st of all 'd i don't overestimate 'd the call i don't think that you know at the present circumstances marie and i expect some major changes major improvement of our relations i think that may be an american leadership recognise that. the situation may go too far because because my. strong belief that if it comes from beijing well 1st of all

if. direct military confrontation war between ukraine and russia starts i doubt that the u.s. . the united states will send their service member their forces to assist chris or course they will be sanctions them as in russia isolating russia but for ukraine there will be disasters of course of course ukrainian army is not be an army of 2014 but still be a member of their craft that 'd everest of course the security of russian forces aren't. but if if because there may be accidents because i'm sure that american advisors. may be still there

or already there or maybe it will be if they're eve. direct military confrontation starts in these case i do not exclude the possibility that they will be buried. through patient in the us russian forces and not get i can ask you something because there there are lots of speculations here in russia not asked you will cool may be behind this recent escalation of tensions whether it was the american idea or the ukrainian idea what's your take well 1st of all i don't think that anything may happen in ukraine without u.s. consent especially especially this because it all started early february ran our intelligence well i don't know this. well the movement of s. loans with. every day out there initially and intensified or even started and intensified so

a bit. i don't think that. this concentration of forces is not a concentration by the way 4000 men in the one share is not the concentration but of course our our troops in the western and southern military districts then know demo in good shape they have been and will change for the last. 67 years by the way last summer last summer. when it was a previous administration and even the same area trying to convince other members westminister districts there was also a period or a fight in a combat training exercises and the concentration was about 150000 people by the way nobody was to concerned about that back then yeah more than more than 500 of them helicopters more than 20000 pieces of equipment in the nobody cared you know

mr bush it was a different administration baghdad with different views or both in russia and ukraine speaking of which i have over the last couple of weeks presidency lansky out of ukraine and he's officials have stepped out that calls for that mission into nato they have never talk of talking about that so much and i wonder if this conflict is still about don't boss and its place where it belongs or whether it's more about the rest of your brain and whether it belongs on that made us umbrella. i think you're right it's not on the. bus of course the bus is the most evident place where the the and the conflict burial conflict may start but i. would. train here by the way trade me is more dangerous it's much more dangerous because it's not just the mother recognized the but the eskimo ganske republic it's

russian federation so if there isn't trouble cation in trade me and their response will be much more severe both on land don't see. that. may may 'd involve directly made the most remote not exactly americans but then. why is there so crazy here and black sciri chin is much much much more dangerous than when i ask one question about don't ask because whatever the ukrainian leadership. its commitment to ukraine's territorial integrity it's pretty obvious to everybody that they don't need them boss at least at this point they don't want it to be reintegrated into ukraine because it's very expensive canonically it's very risky politically etc i wonder if this recent round of tensions could be at least in part motivated by the man's calculation of actually losing don't box and gaining nato membership at the same

time when that have solved many of these problems in just want to go. well maybe you're right of course 'd this is this possibility cannot be excluded although i am very skeptical about this nato made the membership or invitation to meet them because 1st of all they cannot swallow ukraine to be a country of at least 7000000 people ruined economy militarily not so attractive by the way. so. remember bucharest 2008 when the trade bill in by george a smaller country. still be because those opposition of the europeans and i think them today europeans will that was the best way they and i thought it rhetoric of

the us administration now is not better offensive as it was in europe because some of you know remember combat in their eyes just should furious right around that they will say in bucharest in b.c. there really is to invite ukraine and georgia now going back to that call and pretend by then you mentioned that the ukrainian what's happening in ukraine must have played a role in. prompting that outrage from bottoms do you think that's a call that the fact of it having taken place a potential summit that was discussed between president biden do you think it will have any effect on the ukrainian front deep in the group extract some cooling down there i think if if. a settlement really pates place and not in the forseeable future but as you know blinking yesterday mentioned in the coming weeks i do not exclude that possibility or course will

definitely be made defuse the situation with him maybe convincing explaining the situation of explaining russian motivation moreover americans know i'm like you create or i'd like to lance here who doesn't control everything in the bus and lump all the forces in the bus with him controls everything and if he says that by then ok i don't go he won't but that apart from putting having out more control of the events i think he's also more straightforward that coles things by. that means various ukrainians as far as i can tell are trying to essentially be in a position of a tail wagging the dog because if they are indeed try trying to game and nato membership they're essentially trying to marry the united states and to shop and you know crossing on it with all the suppose it's accurate prices that ukraine gets

from the united states and suddenly you're completely right and as far as i understand americans know that the ukraine would like those who would like to well don't put americans in a very awkward situation either you or you help us know they're talking about us bad nuclear weapons it's a made matter for the americans for the united states but back to the ukrainians. yeah i mean that some talk of a bit of bit a very high position the fissionables completely irresponsible complete play sponsors not the top in protected by them came on be heels of another 5 last publicized phone call based on between big chiefs of staff of their russian and the american army and from what i heard from my sources it was a very polluted pro long and detailed discussion do you think there is any connection between beasts you phone calls for of course it's their right to mention

because they're american. and joint chiefs. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff here moves that some of the 1st ok. you're in your eyes and love and he knows that if he wants to know. the information from the from the original source. of your estimate and your estimates i think he explained everything he explained about the training period i'm sure and he explained maybe if the book was on the stand that maybe that is sort of a warning to be a premiums be careful because we're not there but we are. but we have close now close to an exactly why because i mean under normal circumstances it will be diplomats who will be holding those talks but we are finding ourselves in a position when russia has already recalled its ambassador from. washington after

outrageous statements by joe biden calling the president this country a killer. we know that the foreign ministry a few days ago the russian foreign minister came out with a statement saying that they consider an america an adversary not just a partner i mean. on the top of that the military to military contact are sensually the only line of contact the only lot of communication between our precious what exactly does it say to you when basic military people and doing the job of the diplomats is that a sign of what. i would say that people are doing the jobs of the people events no good i don't know talking at all and yes people there just is just exchange of information that just i'm sure that you're i sort of explain because he's going to be part of what russia is actually doing it what treasury is actually meeting and when i say that we are close by the u.s. mint maybe maybe he said ok general we don't want war but if you create

eons with the start of the fence in front of people don't bust even irrespective of the fact of see somebody 1000 people with russian passports we have commitments to . give support to defend those people we'll respond and maybe he will explain it he explained to his counterpart in what way russia will disappoint. and they sent the end i think that was. that was taken seriously i'm sure by the joint chiefs and maybe there was the result when they canceled the. passage over there was absolutely lexia it will be some sort of the fusion of situation where the ukrainians will study it well they'll be shelling. started or going but we are not going through any offensive and not going. to solve this issue

right military me and so. 'd there is already it is the better it is the rest well mr brzezinski we have to take a very short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments. psychiatric drugs are essential for millions of patients rather they want that pill that they hope will take care of their problem thoroughly and rapidly in the short term they really work the problem is in the long term and mostly disastrous suddenly stopping a drug can cause withdrawal symptoms more serious than the condition it was meant to treat instead of the beneficial effects of these different medicines ending up to something wonderful and very often there harmful effects it up to something

terrible can build solve all ills probably trying to mitigate life itself i just think i was in like i was just scared me i was a scared little girl of 24 and like. i didn't have to be so complicated. welcome back to all the part 3 of the game he was insecure chairman of the board of the peer center here in moscow mr bush and before the break started our conversation about the phone call that's been printed and by then and it's interesting that the american president in that whole goal extra asked his

intentions his country's intelligence you have quote stable and predictable relationship with russia and no wonder what does stable and predictable mean in this day and age when the 2 countries are diametrically opposed on how they see the world or their and their respective places and. well it's very difficult for me to say what the united states president means when he says that united states one wants stable and predictable relations me personally i don't believe in such relations as american presidents want wants them to be on the one hand we got very where we need to become we'll press your we definitely as your we insult you and do everything we want i don't believe in such insight she said surely americans call it walking and chewing gum yes yes i do not believe in

this working chewing gum i do not believe that such essential nations may be stable no i am sure they will well it's interesting because as the officials on both sides started preparing this potential summit we are also hearing american media reports about that and you round of sanctions that mr ation is considering including some restrictions against russia's so far and dad as well as the expulsions of the russian diplomats i wonder how far in. terms of sanctions the americans. of course it go before the idea of time it becomes a job it would be for what the russians cannot sustain it anymore oh well you see it seems to me that well as one of my granda says in. the russian government told me that. russian authorities is.

tired to come and be in the packages of sanctions there are more than 7 there were and $75.00 to be or they have been already know the new package of sounds since or will be announced maybe late that will be about expanding growth and diplomats sanction and then other when there are going to zation. some number of people and then again our summary of the sun sanctions about our summer and that . of course there will be there will be a response and as far as it was reported by o. press yesterday you should offer assistance to the president here some of the u.s. ambassador and warrant that if there are new sanctions the response will be. will definitely be well at that increase thinking we cannot i mean this as russians we cannot that are for their you know response because. first of all i mean we have no

that no instruments of leveraging that american story and that i mean this is this is the most dangerous dangerous and damaging part of proposed new sanctions. bill and if that happens to pass do you think putin will have in and after him hence you sort of accept it and move towards negotiations i mean at the end the day they do isn't it ultimately a task what he chooses whether it's national pride or you know some some potential some promise although. pragmatic guy looking at the united states well i'm sure that president putin wants pregnant i think well aware where are the limits of his passion and he is. well and his desire. somehow somehow repairing. the the relations between our countries

i don't know because the administration says that. they're their answer was very very very very very delicate they would say that if for the president but he said well here's the response will be so the response. to the american your sanctions their response will be. whether off the bat be me. the summit basically sum up that's for the president to say shall i heard from some are russian diplomats from some russian officials that in the past while and i merican some russians were engaged in some sort of negotiations let's say on on and there were a new nuclear issue mosco was always sort of trying to sell its influence on or offer its influence on issues that are of interest to the americans rather than

straightforwardly pursuing its own if that summit indeed takes place do you think russia's negro or shading approach don't change or we will still be sort of trying to accommodate because i've always walking and cheering because i don't see so i think that. if something bates plays it will be i think that we can build try to. really explain what the relations to really explain maybe he will say one more go make a u.s. president believe for believe that there was no no russian in the fears because it is a cyber interference. you know the attribution is the most is the most difficult issue they blame. our military intelligence i cannot exclude everything but they don't get beyond say intelligence and is sort of it will be american

elections previous or. over the last year mr brzezinski isn't really about trying to explain to the american because i was just reading this recent book by william burns a former deputy secretary our state former american ambassador to russia and he makes it pretty clear that communication has never been an issue between russians and americans the russians have always communicated that position pretty clearly but the americans it should that just chose to ignore those. clinician so is it really about you know explaining your point of view i rather be being not what you try to communicate well that's a pity because you see if you will accuse anybody especially if you're pews a state. of some just violations but accused of crimes you're going to present the evidence you're going to present as they say card then

not just. a reference that aren't there we know it was the best american but we know what we're doing trust us we know our intelligence says that there was a if you know it's like the brits maybe we screwball case no evidence not so it whatsoever well still highly likely russia is. is the belief this same way appear united states but it can play devil's advocate here because the united states has such an overwhelming get back to when it costs you internet and digital technologies when it makes sense for russia to develop some offensive cyber capabilities and steal out its partners know that it. has. some tools and it's pockets because at the end of the day we are all one a rebel to the american not. hour in cyberspace into americans want to see just off

to war they can possibly do that so rather than you know blaming each other we're going to make a better sense to look sad some sort of rules in cyberspace and think we've got to be can all play by them fully agree fully agree any bets what we can offer to. buy their way over a year ago let's sit down have some work out some rules some rules over here in cyberspace because well it's recognized that russian. the best in the uk by the way well the russian intelligence officers let's be honest with our audience they also have pretty good acts towards us and those who are well but. well i shouldn't say i mean that if they didn't that would be entertaining i do not see any reasons why a russian military intelligence well fears of their elections or trying to

interfering is one thing but having the capacity to interfere is another. the americans also have the capacity to interfere that yes a bit always if they fear but their logic is that we have to fear to make you good to make you better if you if you are to make us worse i know this logic but it's good it's good for and just for kitchen talk but not for a state to state really since that's my strong belief well in any case the. plans for our bilateral summit in the 3rd country are on the cards and i don't know about you but it sounds me back to you the times of cold war when let's say gorbachev and reagan would meet and ricky have a coffee or a shelf and count it with me in here and trying to prevent a new career pocalypse do you think these kinds of comparisons historic comparisons applicable here because normally speaking of these danish leaders. with me in each other's countries they would not seek

a neutral territory but here we are again looking for a country that would provide a neutral ground. absolutely i fully agree that historical peril is complete about 100 percent because a mono. saying bad situation no worse than they were in the period of reagan or in the period of. i think her chef canada that was i have to the cuban missile crisis and the cuban missile we're going to miss it we have no old son or. maybe a very close very close very close because because in the incident. i didn't say that i just want to finish then i strongly believe that any military confrontation between the united states and russia could not become so cannot be controlled the escalation is even and its coalition nobody can afford to heat their bets up and

that's obvious so either you've got to get my soul get my planes were shot down my warships were drowned but ok i agree let's start with no that won't be deed but it will be escalation best so a bit better. to should be understandable now i want to specifically ask you about this latest summit and latest have received the latest on that gorbachev and reagan in the break having because. it was notable on several grounds they didn't signing a major documents but that meeting was a ritual a big crowd were at the end of the cold war which was celebrated in the west that primarily because of the collapse of the soviet union that was a major think by them that the major positive thing for them about the summit now do you think now the americans are mentally emotionally ready to deal. deal with

russia as it is why do you think they're still led by this idea that they can change a russia that liking and that russia that they know right now will sooner or later collapse and they can you know klein you know better partner in its place you see. their mistake is there. as well at least i could not speak for the for the whole american for the american public as a whole but this for their leadership especially. the president ministration leadership they saw their belief. being be in big or and we're seeing is president if we can do is everything will change be cheech all for them it will be over if you're going. to change russia and that's their mistake . i'm sure about. well mr brzezinski it's always

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