and expect some major changes major improvement of our relations i think that maybe an american leadership recognized that. the situation may go too far because because my. strong belief that if any confrontation well 1st of all if. direct military confrontation war between ukraine and russia started i doubt that the u.s. . the united states will send their service member their armed forces to assist chris or course they will be sanctions them as in russia isolating russia but for ukraine there will be disasters of course of course ukrainian army is not be an army of 2014 but still be the number of aircraft that 'd every state of course security of russian forces aren't.

but if if because there may be accidents because i'm sure that american advisors maybe steal their own or already there or maybe it will be if they're eve. direct military confrontation starts in this case i do not exclude the possibility that there will be direct confrontation between the us russian forces and not get i can ask you something because there there are lots of speculations here and russia asked you will cool may be behind this recent escalation of tensions whether it was the american idea or the ukrainian idea what's your take. well 1st of all i don't think that anything may happen in ukraine without u.s. consent especially especially this because it all started early february when our

intelligence well i don't know this. well the movement of the loans with it it every day i was there initially and then see if i were even started and intensify so a bit. i don't think that. this concentration of forces is not a concentration by the way 4000 men in the one share is not the concentration but of course our our troops in the western and southern military districts then know demo in good shape they have been in good shape for the last. 67 years by the way last summer a lot some are. when it was previous administration and even the same area trying to convince other member westminster districts there was also a period on for the final combat training exercises and the concentration was about

150000 people by the way nobody was to concerned about that back then yeah more than more than 500 of them helicopters more than 20000 pieces of equipment that nobody cared you know mr bush's case was a different administration baghdad with different views are both in russia and ukraine speaking of which i have over the last couple of weeks president a lengthy out of ukraine and he's officials have stopped the diet calls for that mission into nato they have never talk of talking about that so much and i wonder if this conflict is still about gone boss and its place where it belongs or whether it's more about the rest of your brain and whether it belongs on that made us umbrella. i think you're right it's not on the. bus of course the bus is the most evident place where the the and the god please be real conflict may start but

i. would. be trained here by the way trade me is more dangerous is much more dangerous because it's not just the mother recognized the the eskimo ganske republic it's russian federation so if there is a tradition in trade me and their response will be much more severe both don't see. that. may may 'd involve directly made the most remote not exactly americans but then. why is there so crazy here and black sciri chin is much much much more dangerous when i ask one question about don't bust because whatever the ukrainian leadership . its commitment to ukraine's territorial integrity it's pretty obvious to everybody that they don't need them boss at least at this point they don't want it to be reintegrated into ukraine because it's very expensive canonically it's very

risky politically etc i wonder if this recent round of tensions could be at least in part motivated by the man's calculation of actually losing don't box and gaining nato membership at the same time when that have solved many of these problems in just want to go. well maybe you're right of course 'd this is this possibility cannot be excluded although i am very skeptical about this nato made the membership or invitation made because 1st of all they cannot swallow ukraine to be a country of at least 7000000 people ruined economy militarily not so attractive by the way. so. remember bucharest 2008 when the trade bill in by george

a smaller country. still be because it was a position of the europeans and i think them today europeans will that was the best way and it's already rhetoric of the us administration now is not better offensive as it was in europe because some of you know remember combat in their eyes just should furious running around but they will say in bucharest in b.c. there really has to invite ukraine and georgia now going back to that call putin and by them you mentioned that be your brain and what's happening in ukraine might have played a role in. prompting that outrage from bottoms do you think that's a call that the fact of it having taken place a potential summit that was discussed between president biden do you think it will have any effect on the ukrainian front deep in the group expect some cooling down

there i think if if. a segment really pates place and not even in the forseeable future but as you know blinking yesterday mentioned in the coming weeks i do not exclude that possibility or course will definitely be made defuse the situation with him he may be convincing in explaining the situation that explaining russian motivation moreover americans know i'm like you create or i'd like selenski who doesn't control everything in the bus and mum all the forces in the bus with him controls everything and if he says the bye then ok i don't go he won't but that apart from putting having out more control of the events i think he's also more straightforward that he calls things by. that means various ukrainians as far as i can tell are trying to essentially be in

a position of the tail wagging the dog because if they are indeed try trying to game and made a membership they're essentially trying to lure the united states in to entrap and you know crossing on it with all be so close it sacrifices that ukraine did for the united states. and suddenly you're completely right and as far as and the stand americans know that the ukraine would like those who would like to well do americans in a very awkward situation either you or you help us know they're talking about us bad nuclear weapons it's a made matter for the american or the united states but back to the ukrainians. i mean that some talk of a bit of a bit very position the fissionables completely irresponsible complete play sponsors not the top in protected by them came on the shelves of another fire last publicized phone call based on between the chiefs of staff of the russian and the

american army and from what i heard from my sources it was a very polluted pro long and detailed discussion do you think there is any connection between these 2 you phone calls for of course it's their right to mention because they're american. and joint chiefs. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff here knows that it's not the 1st don't. we you're in your eyes and love and he knows that if he wants to know. the information from the from the original source. of your estimate and your estimates i think he explained everything he explained about the training period i'm sure and he explained maybe if the book was on the stand that maybe that sort of warning would be a premiums be careful because we're we are not there but we are but we have close now close to exactly why because i mean under normal circumstances it will be

diplomats who will be holding those talks but we are finding ourselves in a position when russia has already recalled its ambassador from. washington after outrageous statements by joe biden calling the president of this country. killer. we know that the foreign ministry a few days ago the russian prime minister came out with a statement saying that they consider an america an adversary not just a partner i mean. on the top of that the military to military contact are sensually the only line of contact the only a lot of communication between our precious what exactly does it say to you when basic military people and doing the job of the diplomats is that a sign of what. i would say that people are doing the jobs of the people and it was a no talking at all and yes people there just is just an exchange of information that

just i'm sure that you're i simply explain because he's going to be part of what russia is actually doing it what russia is actually meaning and when i say that we are close by then your estimate maybe maybe he said ok general we don't want war but if you create the ends with the start of the fence in front of people don't bust even irrespective of the fact that see somebody 1000 people with russian passports we have commitments to. give support to defend those people we'll respond and maybe he will explain it he explained to his counterpart in what way russia would respond. and they sent the end i think that was. that was taken seriously i'm sure by the joint chiefs and maybe there was the result when they canceled the. passage of there was ships to the black sea it will be some sort

of diffusion of situation by the ukrainians. although it will be shelling you know started talking that we are not going to any offensive and not going to solve this issue by milch i mean so then talk 'd is not there it's already. it is not bad it is not a bit aggressive well mr brzezinski we have to take a very short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments. is your media a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe.

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the peer center here in moscow mr bush and before the break we asked started our conversation about the so-called it's written and biden and it's interesting that the american president in that whole goal extra asked his intentions his country's intention to how quote stable and predictable a relationship with russia and i wonder what does stable and predictable mean in this day and age when the 2 countries are diametrically opposed on how they see the world or their and their respective places in it. well it's very difficult for me to say what the united states president means when he says that united states one wants stable and predictable relations me personally i don't believe in such relations as american presidents want wants them to be on the one hand we got very where we need on down because and we'll press your we definitely

as your we insult you and do everything we want i don't believe in such insight she said surely americans call it walking and chewing gum yes yes i do not believe in this working chewing gum i do not believe that such essential nations may be stable no i am sure they will well it's interesting because as the officials on both sides started preparing this potential summit we are also hearing american media reports about that and you round of sanctions that mr ation is considering including some restrictions against russia's so far and dad as well as the expulsions of the russian diplomats i wonder how far in. terms of sanctions the americans. of course it go before the idea of time it becomes a job it would be for what the russians cannot sustain it anymore oh well you see

it seems to me that well as one of my granda says in. the russian government told 'd me that. russian story is. tired to come and be in the packages of sanctions there are more than 7 there were and $75.00 to be or they can be already know the new package of sound sense or will be amounts maybe a little bit about expanding growth. sanctioning. when there are going to zation. some number of people and then again our summary of the sun sanctions about our summer and that. of course there will be there will be a response and as far as it was reported by 0 press yesterday you should offer assistance to the president he summoned the u.s. ambassador and warrant that if there are new sanctions the response will be. will

definitely be well as that increase thinking we cannot i mean this as russians we cannot that are for their you know response because. first of all i mean we have know that no instruments of leverage and got american story and that i mean that this is this is the most dangerous dangerous and damaging are the proposed new sanctions. bill and if that happens to pass do you think putin will have in and after him hence you sort of accept and towards negotiations i mean at the end the day they do isn't it ultimately a task what he chooses whether it's national pride or you know some some potential some promise although. probably not to dialogue with the united states well i'm sure that president putin wants pragmatic but where where are the limits

of his passion and he is. well and his desire. somehow somehow repairing the the the relations between our countries i don't know because the administration says that. there there there was very very very very very delicate they would say that if for the president but he said well here's the response will be. so the response. of the american you're saying says the response will be. whether off the bat be meeting or summit based place i'm not that's for the president to say now i've heard from some are russian diplomats from some russian officials that in the past while and i merican some russians were engaged in some sort of negotiations let's say on one and there are

a new nuclear issue moskowitz always sort of trying to sell its influence on or off for its influence on issues that are of interest to americans rather than straightforwardly pursuing its own if that summit indeed takes place do you think russia's negro or shading approach don't change or we will still be sort of try to accommodate because i've always walking and cheering because. i don't see so i think that. if something bakes plays it will be i think that we can build try to. really explain the relations to really explain maybe he will say one more go make a u.s. president believe for believe that there was no no russian in the fields because this cyber interference the. you know the attribution is the most is the most difficult issue they blame. our military intelligence i cannot

exclude everything but they don't get beyond say intelligence and is still involved in bin american elections previous or. over the last year mr brzezinski isn't really about trying to explain to them erica because i was just reading this recent book by william burns a former deputy secretary our state former american ambassador to russia and he makes it pretty clear that communication has never been an issue have been. russians and americans the russians have always communicated that position pretty clearly but that americans it sure that just chose to ignore those explanations so isn't really about you know explaining your point of view i rather be being snotty what you try to communicate with that's a pity because you see if you accuse anybody especially if you're

pews a state. of some just violations but accused of crimes you're going to present the evidence you're going to present as they say card then not just. reference that we know it was the best american but we know what we're doing trust us we know our intelligence says that there was a few minutes it's like the brits made their way screwball case no evidence not so it whatsoever well still highly likely russia is. is the bully this same way appear united states but it can't play devil's advocate here because the united states has such an overwhelming get back to when it costs you internet and digital technologies when it makes sense for russia to develop offensive cyber capabilities and sealab its partners know that it. has.

some tools in its pockets because at the end of the day we are all one a rebel to the american ah. hour in cyberspace into americans want to see just off to war they can possibly do that so rather than you know blaming each other we're going to make a better sense to look sad some sort of rules in cyberspace and think we've got to be can all play by them fully agree fully agree any bets what we can offer to. buy their way over a year ago let's sit down have some work out some rules some rules or be here in cyberspace because well it's recognized that russian. the best in the book by the way well the russian intelligence officers let's be honest with our audience they also have pretty good expertise and those who are well but. well i shouldn't say i mean that if they didn't that would be entertaining i do not see

any reasons why a russian military intelligence well in the fears of their elections or trying to interfering is one thing but having the capacity to interfere is another. the americans also have the capacity to interfere that yes a bit always if they fear but their logic is that we have to fear to make you good make you better if you if you are to make us worse i know this logic but it's good it's good for you and just for kitchen talk but not for state to state really since that's my strong belief well in any case the. plans for our bilateral summit in the 3rd country are on the cards and i don't know about you but if sounds me back to you the times of cold war well let's say gorbachev and reagan would meet and have a coffee or a shelf and count it with me in here and then trying to appraise and then you could

hear pocalypse do you think these kinds of comparisons historic comparisons applicable here because normally speaking in these danish leaders. with me in each other's countries they would not seek a neutral territory but here we are again looking for a country that would provide a neutral ground. absolutely i fully agree that historical peril is complete about 100 percent because a mono. saying bad situation no worse than they were in the period of reagan or in the period of. i didn't herself kennedy that was i have to the cuban missile crisis and the cuban missile we're going to listen we have no old soon or. maybe very close but very close very close because because in the incident. i didn't say they just want to finish then i strongly believe that any military confrontation between the united states and

russia could not become so cannot be controlled the escalation is even and its coalition nobody can afford to heat their bets up and that's obvious so either you've got to get my soul get my planes were shot down my warships were drowned but ok i agree let's stop it no that won't be d.d. it will be escalation bit more with the best of it so a bit better. too should be understandable now i want to specifically ask you about this latest summit and the latest heroism the latest on that gorbachev and reagan in the great cabinet because. it was notable on several grounds they didn't signing the major documents but that meeting was a ritual a good crowd were at the end of the cold war which was celebrated in the west that primarily because of the collapse of the soviet union that was

a major thing for them and the major positive thing for them about this summit is not do you think now the americans are mentally emotionally ready to go. deal with russia as it is why do you think they're still led by the side that they can't change a russia that liking and that russia that they know right now will sooner or later collapse and they can you know find you know better partner in its place you see. their mistake is there. as well at least i cannot speak for the for the whole american for the american public as a whole but this for their leadership especially. the president ministration leadership they saw your belief. be it be in big or ever think is president if we didn't do it everything will change be cheech all

for them it will be all over if you get it go to change russia and that's their mistake. i'm sure about. well mr brzezinski it's always a great pleasure talking to you we have to be there but thank you very much for sharing about thank you thank you it sounds crazy for watching hope to see you again next week here i don't want to part. by. industry pieces. of you you know the. daily beast is.

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to something wonderful and very often there are full effects of it up to something terrible. trying to medicate life itself i just think i was in like i was just scared me i was a scared little girl i was 24 and like. the didn't have to be so complicated. russia expels 20 czech and diplomats in a retaliatory move that is after prague accused moscow of being behind a huge explosion at an ammunition dump depot 7 years ago and through 18 russian diplomats out of the country. meanwhile in a week of strained international diplomacy moscow slaps the u.s. with sanctions in retaliation for washington imposing restrictions on russia

earlier in the week which came at the same time as call.