crania forces including heavy artillery and to miss our systems to the donbass that precipitate it current crisis over ukraine i do not believe that decision was actually made by the crimean authorities themselves i believe that they were instructed to deploy its forces to the donbass by washington and london after oh ever since the coup in ukraine in february 2014 the ukrainian government has been nothing but a collaborator to both the americans and the british so i have to ask myself the question why have the americans and also the british police about this crosses over ukraine is it because washington and london is opposed the state department the national security adviser divided our ignorance about the cultural and national security significance of ukraine to russia well i believe that when and ukraine

was part of the soviet union yes this state department would have been in many respects ignorance about the significance of ukraine to russia but i do not believe the state department has been ignorance about ukraine ever since the demise of the soviet union and especially since the coup in ukraine 7 years ago so therefore i have to conclude that the americans and the british instructed the lackeys sent here to deploy significant numbers of ukrainian troops and ukrainian military hardware to the donbass to test the response of the kremlin to test the readiness of the russian military the americans and the british were not relinquish ukraine easily they are absolutely adamant that ukraine who enter nato to encircle the outer on. western boots it's

a very dangerous policy the americans and the british are playing here but whilst i believe that the secretary of state in the national security adviser's appointed themselves our ignorance about russian history i don't believe the people in the russia desk in the state department and also in the foreign office are ignorance out just how important ukraine is to russia you know mark we did see a bit of a stand down i mean the exercises were going into the black sea were kind of put on hold maybe been canceled as somebody saying something here but i mean you look we look at the media narrative and his are really quite extraordinary they it's rt it's quoting what reacting to russian aggression is if you can be aggressive when you're moving troops within your own country that's never properly explained i don't understand it either because there's no logical answer towards it but i mean i think marcus is on something here and i think this is testing resolve and i think

they've got an answer there's a lot of resolve here the interesting thing for me is that the all the biggest loser in all of this is obviously ukraine but i guess the policymakers in washington in london don't care about that go ahead mark. yeah i think this is the basic problem is that. the western states have not really understood that this is all vitally important to russia and even if you take the completely negative view of russia's role since 2014 it still makes sense to just so what do we want out of this do we want to have a conflict with russia now it would be suicidal and. but also we can see if you're trying to have somebody using the game and they think it's matter of debts then you're going to find itself in a real punctual and i think fortunately perhaps without states and somewhat ships the black sea you know. they don't want to raise the stakes too high and then find themselves having to retreat you know or. more problematic still or just correct

you know once you know a discussion is but war school board and all trump us amateur predictable and so on in his foreign policy it turns out insofar as there is any continuity with its well they carry on with it almost it would also carry on with. this is all the more bizarre because. for them the national security was a union hall you posed yes including with a splinter back in the late ninety's so we we find ourselves innocent placing a puzzle these were supposed to be the people who return professionalism and predictability welded foreign policy and certainly in the months they behaved they all the kind of trump your rank how side is and is are weirdos that we were taught to think oh well the disaster behind trump for impulse so. i'm going to keep going to these new so what then you can say is if you will and not just in moscow beijing

but even if you're in paris. you have to also want to be signed on to with these people for fear that you within a few weeks over. the policy changed its response. to some. right here i mean the help azhar is it for you is that you know when there was the call between the russian and the in the american president we saw escalation on the nato side and there is a there sarah get in this case ukraine and after the phone call we're told maybe there could be a summit here i mean why when the world with the russians sit down for a summit after the antics that we have seen rubies of the ukraine for weeks now i mean we we have the cranium president talking with french media i mean basically throwing down the gauntlet and basically is also saying you know this is it's all or nothing i mean we're in. nato now irrespective of the rules in train the

alliance or if it is a catastrophic war i mean what kind of sarah get is that and what does it say exactly what mark was saying the kind of normal normalization of of policy and stability here i mean it's a mockery of all this is just one big mess that never should have happened in the 1st place marcus i'm of the opinion it's of that biden's proposal which in his telephone conversation with ericsson to ranger mates in it which the survey says can discuss ukraine was merely a propaganda or exercise i mean americans the americans and of course the british have project states so their respective audiences and to the rest of the world the coming crisis of ukraine was about why. a massive russian forces close to them with ukraine with the intense or invade in russia and of course the americans who are as we all know the guardians of peace in the world the guardians

of democracy trying to present it since a result of it now because that's nothing but a propaganda exercise but i must also say the. heats up i don't actually believe that i didn't actually backed down as some western commentators are same not i believe the americans knew what the response of the russians was going to be london and washington know very well russia is not going so when it comes to ukraine it is simply too personal for russia culturally and in terms of its national security i would also corroborate my argument i saying base firstly was the decision was taken to cancel the deployments of the 2 american warships to the black sea the americans are still going ahead in our great in the

ukrainian polls over desa nicholai of and logical to accommodate american warships secondly it is now being group who's in britain that at some point this may the who navy will be deploying warships of its own so the black sea so i don't think behind and back down i think it was a cop again directed science and as a center here in the program as in the readiness of the russian military you know where. the when when the americans and the bread is not about the new grain sovereignty i think that they have a very short memory or there is blaine's because. it was more of the february who in 2014 let's remember this year correct me if i'm wrong but look around been done eons in crimea was part of ukraine after the coup then the crimea and they voted with their feet quite literally and then the people of what we call the donbass were were the subject of

a military assault were up to 14000 people were killed so when they're talking about protecting ukraine's sovereignty i would think victoria nuland is probably the biggest agreed offender in. violator of ukraine's sovereignty great me if i'm wrong. but in 2014 the west. the russians are in a sense a retreat to moscow well $989.00 onwards and they would continue to do so. and also has to pretty in ukraine and be a big thing and therefore you could have a centrist small scale of people in 2000 people with the government and everybody else. and it turned out that wasn't the case and it was that russian state was not to see russian speakers are now subjected to people who were using the rhetoric i mean the russian language so russian. i think the problem with the west being that

we fail to think through not too much all rifle or promise but who are friends are . in fact in a situation knowing who your friends are knowing whether the people you are backing the same views the same produce that you think they will have the same policies muslim agenda you want is a really important question to go. and it may be that people in. this well public opinion is very much on the view that there's a plucky democratic ukraine placed to crash a criminal. and it fails to see whatever problems are in crimea there is no doubt which is those ukrainian nationalist home right forces that actually is in quote in trouble with russian group because they want to draw the west into. what i want you to hold this is not you're not going to heartbreak and that's about heartbreak in your discussion of american foreign policy state.

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welcome to cross top where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle this is the home edition and we're discussing american foreign policy. goes go back to mark an avs are you really we're going to the break i'd like you to finish your point go right ahead i think there is the risk with the title white dog let those ukrainians who essentially the best way to preserve inside ukraine and to assert themselves as through a conflict with russia will drag in the west and make them. come apart now this

if we're serious and i might but but but isn't that mean that if the thing is as i noticed in the geopolitical gambit because essentially. no matter what the outcome politically it's a it's bad to russia ok. if there if the donbass is attacked by ukrainian forces. russia will react is made it very clear this is a red line here ukrainian military will be damaged severely flawed annihilated ok but russia will be quote unquote dean the the aggressor ok so i mean it's kind of no matter what happens if there is a military outcome a initiative the outcome is a political defeat for russia but in between in that logic is a lot of ukrainians are could die as well here see and that's what i find really perplexing here i mean i think really willing to do that because it is the end skis standing wolf you will have lost a war he will be out ok and then you have this virulent nationalists will probably

take even a stronger position of marcus' what they you know want me to do my scenario does it make any sense to go to. the americans and the british can do nothing for ukraine insolvency like they can nothing for the wealthy. of the average ukrainian man and woman what they seek in ukraine is to enclose a loss on its western borders and in a so innocent javier where ukraine is a member of nato then the russian federation on its western buddhists on the old 6 c. so the black sea. and circles and neighed so eventually the dominance may fall in the black sea just take a map pounce and look at ukraine's coastline if ukraine was in nato or nato war ships from odessa all the way to the sea of azoff would be a menace in not just the russian black sea fleet but russian national security in

general what needs are going to notice and it's not let me jump in here because they were talking about and this is what speculate about ukraine in nato market what kind of ukraine i mean ukraine without the donbass ukraine without crimea i mean and then that is a violation of nato zone rules because a country cannot become a member of it has territorial disputes with its neighbors here nato is probably couldn't break its own rules and rewrite them in a it's i don't put that past them but if there is a military conflict it is not going to be the donbass the meat maybe it's all the way to cut off ok i mean because if you look at it from the russian side i mean if this is how you want to play then we're going to great we're going to look after our security interests of this look at what happened in in georgia in 2008 i mean said to you it was liberated then russian forces went all the way down to gori not to occupy it not to keep it but to knock out all of the sensitive and as

a quid and was there as an estimated worth a $1000000000.00 and if they have a real headache with that one there i mean what's the history does repeat itself at times and i see this here too so i mean what kind of ramps. state we're talking about when it comes to ukraine. the tragedy of ukraine is not just this infighting one wrong life is getting well. in full and so on. and so that's a big problem in the ukraine could have real debates internal system for instance maybe. didn't do we necessarily want but it's the holding to some other way also talked about there. is of course both western military equipment and western training. in situ in western ukraine but the problem is the bases with actually temp missiles and other weapons would almost certainly be the tone that's in a war between russia and ukraine so we heard nato personnel from.

the. crimea. borussia significant numbers of military trainers and so on and military equipment in ukraine that would be almost a nickel actually damage i'm not maybe all that would deter russia respond but i think since 2008 for instance over georgia. the idea of back russia who would be passive who conflict at any cost to be a mistake and so even if you take those of the most. nations and. you have to also ask them so what is the kremlin's base of interest that is to russia's treaty and to. make clear that it isn't that's going to. and then. and as a protector once you have a conflict the risk of escalation is the simple reality is that for russia it's like the issue absence of the cross korean government but it's not who are from the

official west nor parents. so what where does that leave us it leaves us in situation we might find ourselves provoking a major conflict and i want to back out of that is not always easy to do once you start a fight you can't then lay down the ground rules that's right that's why we call it the fog of war marcus i mean looking at it at secretaries they plane can and sullivan here are they ideologues in your mind are they opportunists do they think in geopolitical terms because you know we you know sullivan said he wanted to have a foreign policy for the middle class which if they wanted to get more close middle class they would end all these wars and stop killing young men and women in wasting all the money maybe put a little money into infrastructure i mean what do you make of these people because personally i just say it straight out i think these people are low octane thinkers go ahead marcus i agree with your analysis of the data and i also do not consider

them absolute so in selection i've been saying this for a number of years now that the caliber of politicians in america and in britain cannot be compared with the caliber in both countries from say 1st c. or 40 years ago and in regard to the current circuit your states are the guards of the commons national security advisor are they are ideologues well maybe in the sense that they believe in american blue supremacy they believe in american exceptionalism believe that the world is divided between good and bad and the good is the west. is is the east principly russia and i think on that basis they will because surely their policy which they have which they inherited from the trumpet ministration i say the trumpet ministers and i don't say drum which the trumpet ministration inherited from the obama administration which

there are of ministration inherited from the bush administration. and so on but i quickly want to say peter that in the gutter ukrainian membership of nato you're right you nato could bend its own rules to accommodate ukraine into the military bloc and i think it's far more likely ukrainian government could sit down with its masters in washington the london and decide that it's time to redraw the national borders we're not going to but they know they are not. they know they will not retrieve a 3rd of the net and the 1st of lugansk which is gone if they have to redraw their national borders then yes theoretically the road is open so then joining nato and i also want to say there is no tension between ukraine and russia there is tension between the ukrainian authorities and the russian government the only area of ukraine you will find really in abundance runs as he rushed consensus and is in

goal is the is in ivana frank is in turn a pole if you it's not just on the left ankle the mic where you find a very production of very close so if it's also on the right of the river beneath if you go to a better the people there largely speaking who say odessa is a russian poet which is historically accurate so there is no tension between the ukrainian people by and large and the russian people there is only tension between the ukrainian authorities and the russian authorities the ukrainian authorities are lackies they are willing to see the destruction of their own country which is an artificial one for the sake of the military boots they are receiving from russia wasn't and london you know marco one of the things that again i suppose i'm really perplexing is that if there is a complicated it is resolved in the way that marcus is just suggested here it doesn't mean tensions will go away why would anyone want to invest money in ukraine

when there are tensions still with one of its neighbors here in a. and of course russia is going to make it very very difficult for nato membership here i mean it seems to me it doesn't solve any of ukraine's problems whatsoever and i don't see the european union particularly interested in bringing you can train on board ok because of the governance issue it's a lot of agriculture i mean that really doesn't serve any purpose for the for the e.u. when it has its own structural problems right now i mean it and i'm just kind of mystified i mean i guess it's kind of like the saakashvili you know phenomenon you know that he believes all these really wonderful stories and the little trinkets they put in front of him but it didn't it didn't solve any of george's problems either i just again that's why as of these people ideologues of the opportunists how would you describe them go ahead well basic problem for the politically elites in here is that because it hasn't managed to revive the economy at all it is the whole depended heavily on western and by the way also on the u.s.

but as johnson aren't so also were also on and so you have a situation that will be more persistent which were serious or most improvement to before with your life or getting rid of corruption when it's all getting little siphon your money out into our bank accounts that are getting really arms and being put on the back and as you said this is not just the koreans trying to bret's documents or translate some of the republicans but seem to aspire to be on the leave you now so wait a minute do we really want to take on the burden of paying these countries to reach our standards but who typically when you have this irony of the british role pushing these countries to join the e.u. you are pushing for the e.u. . but the british would look at withdrawals from the you won't be paying into the budget so in fact the resources available to the what we want will be peace economic integration but. much depends on what we call it crisis the economic downturn. so we have this base which has such westby tissue which is the ability to

draw to go google schools military receive or also your moment all of what is in our interests what are our ideology and. ration and so we see this. term waving in the wind sometimes being very assertive in aggressive in all of them back you know straight minton's music and what would you say if you have you know it's like comments like i reassure you well i don't know you but we'll leave it. it's it's always the up a little sort of a not sort of. gentlemen that's all the time we have want to take my guest in london and in oxford and i want to thank our viewers from watching us here in r.t.c. you next time remember stockwell's. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation

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