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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter lavelle in the name of social justice and democracy is the u.s. becoming a police state and what is driving the west increasingly hysterical and paranoid policy towards russia what happened to engagement and diplomacy. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest who own these and he's an awesome he's a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as author of the new book great power politics in the 4th industrial revolution and in budapest be cross

to join semi well he is a pop caster at the gavel which can be found on you tube and rumple gentling process not rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i was appreciative when i was going to george 1st and in budapest george i mean the f.b.i. and the d.o.j. were really really active ok and this is the move for the advent of the administration of course and making reference to january 6th and on another front here we have rudy giuliani going to be the attorney for the former president president trump. having your house essentially raided for an electronic devices interestingly enough he was in possession of a hard drive with 100 items information on it they didn't seem particularly interested in it i mean what is going on here i mean they always say they do it in the name of security they want to see you know because you know apparently there's a lot of white racists and supremacists and their domestic terrorists i mean we're

told by the mainstream media i don't see evidence of it here so they're not taking any chances right i mean what explains this behavior well when asked to say it and i don't think that it's an exaggeration that america is gradually becoming a police state what's happening now with the bite of the station is that it's using the powers of government to destroy its political opponents i mean no one in his right mind can possibly believe that the reason that they raided 1 rudy giuliani's home and his office is that they were investigating why and they should come out of the foreign agents registration act a purely technical matter. and and no one really believes that rudy giuliani you know is a man of you know great integrity i mean he's been in public service for decades and people remember him as the great hero prosecutor of the 1980 s.

no one really believes that he has violated any laws so what's really going on yet they're obviously seeking information that they think is going to be damaging against donald trump and i think you use this information to bring some kind of criminal charges against all from all to use it to attack him and to discredit if that's what's behind all of this and this goes together with other things that are going on the d.o.j. is supposedly investigating cash to tell i guess that fellow maybe people don't know he worked for denny newness was instrumental in the famous dead in newness memo of 2018 then he went to work for donald trump so obviously this is somebody that here he had really want to get because they you know that that newness memo which exposed the fact that the pfizer warrant was a fraud based entirely on. christopher steele's dossier and that the

f.b.i. deceived the fi support about that document so obviously they want to get cash to tell. and it and then in the meantime there is still this sprawling investigation of everyone involved in january 6th i mean the other day the f.b.i. swarmed into the home or of a small business of a small spot owner in alaska suspecting them of having stolen nancy pelosi is wrapped up in this was based on nothing more than a blurry photograph and this is now going on and on and i mean anyone who looks. at twitter will see every day the f.b.i. is issuing notices have you seen this person and then there's some sweet granny you know with the. reading glasses who's apparently the most terrifying person in the united states and yours i mean they must be looking at people that committed arson and looted and all his other. areas i went crying's last

summer oh i guess they're not going to land let me go to you i mean you know george i'll get george and i ok this sounds like the nixon white house enemy lists this is what it sounds like the people they have to go out and primarily that their political opponents and donald trump is no longer president of the united states i mean my goodness ok i mean but they can't let it go it seems to mean that there are afraid they're terrified of zen own head. well that does some difference i mean back here nixon's they his was deemed to be highly moral have to step down this you know that this web purging position of most not deemed to be legitimate however what has been quite interesting united states is that the moral it is shifted a bit because who want us to notice it is a bit unique that this has been all this is up in united states because it's rather unique country in terms of its historical focus on individual this you know the

need to restrain government this is built into a demand there of the country which would imply that the country should almost. immune to the helping of police however what we've seen over time especially since nixon's days has been to shift tomorrow to previously you know individual is some limitation please stay on this or some are or else you know we see more a challenging authority is immoral an impish of it so you see more now on the left with this urging. decision and granting new powers and apologizing for his governments and their economic was a lie that is considered. openly and. through back to the nixon they say could all it's you know my consent is all have been well they're walking or scandal in the fall of the cia and infiltrated all the news network this was very immoral the american people stood up and said this is wrong well today the more ality has shifted intelligence agents are hired as an a-list and if you don't take their word

a face value is unpatriotic your your your americanness is challenged so nevermind that it's part of their jobs read this whole information to meet all of us on this a stenographer arse or foreign intelligence i think when you're really right in this it's a different moral compass you but i go back to george and good this is also very ideological isn't it i mean and this is what i think we fight a bewildering and very disturbing is that you know it's called the bedroll bureau of investigation. supposed to be investigating these things you're gonna you know overstep i mean they are determining when what is politically acceptable morally acceptable and they're in there they're informed by an ideology this would be very different than what we had with nixon had you are absolutely and if you remember that the point about the nixon years was that this was assaulted backchannel white house gratian that tried to get around the f.b.i.

and the cia because it really wasn't interested in in any kind of domestic spying operations what we have now is of the highest institutions of government the actual official intelligence agencies domestic and international that are actually actively involved in pullet politics and politically sabotaging those they deem their opponents in 20152016 the f.b.i. the cia they regard that trump as an existential threat and they cooked up this absolutely bogus fraudulent hoax of russia again and then they use this ridiculous stealed also the seared also it was not only used by the f.b.i. to get that warrant against the page and with that to go against all the drop people it was used by the cia when they presented that intelligence community assessment to 2017 that really launched russia gate they used it even though they

lied about it that they base this on the seal dossier which is just nothing and it was just you know complete. something that somebody invents a are over of drinks of the buff and so yeah this is what they're doing and now the biden administration is of the business of suggesting that like everybody who was against it all you who supported donald trump were white supremacists militia racists and that they pose a very serious. domestic terrorist threat to the united states and as you say peta no evidence is ever presented the one terrorist attack has been since january the 6th was actually somebody who was a member of the. of the nation of islam who ran his car against. the barrios of the capitol hill but nonetheless the media continued to spend this and now and we are talking by ministrations talking about bossing you to mistake

terrorism legislation and even if they don't pass that they're talking about signing executive orders to ban people from domestic flights and those they deem to be part of these white supremacist groups could just simply be said ok you're on the terrorist list no domestic flights for you at the minute so you know as i say it really is beginning to seem like i police state you know glenn you know we kind of harkens back to me the patriot acts ok because you know and because of the imminent threat to make terrorism 911 in all this and then we had this ridiculous exercise called the war on local war on terror. they actually caused a lot of terrorism but not in the way they intended and and now we have we're seeing another wave that was really in turn that was for the for the world now are having a set of laws being considered domestically and it always goes in one direction

because you know it's not like the threat is you know been about eliminated and then we we turn back the clock it never turns back you just get new clues more and more of your rights your rights are being your bar and and there's no recourse to speak jordan sent to me you know if you put out a no white list i mean how do you get off it where's the that office what are you talking there's no recourse that's what makes it very calm. on a serious talk of instances are people around some are authorities and the government. gets a business and. is concerning but i got to this new year america write them off a patriot i mean this was also the same concept but it's a government needed and has powers to act more without accountability and this was referred to pension systems so again this is the marlton up quite a candid honest correct all seemed. more and other serious now this ideological bent and turned against domestic so again if if that also broke into the capitol building. more listen sense there was also

a lot that is really on the whole the mess or it's an arms this domestic terrorist and once those labels are in place all you can all are going to see where this was heading which is now we need war on domestic terror and this is a matter of cost they're already linked to come all the conservatives all rights under the same brush being as sympathizer unpoliced so these people so now thinking that all of them are under suspicion you have new laws which are not good for the united states i mean this is the need to reconsider a lot of the scene i mean who would have thought i mean i can't even believe i'm about to say this but i mean who were hit not that loitering interest causing we put you in the category of a domestic terrorist george 30 seconds mission oh yes exactly and we what we've seen now is that these people who are below the genuine 6 and who are being locked up held without bail and being denied bail because prosecutors and judges say well

they're still questioning the authenticity of the november the election so apparently if you think the wrong things no freedom for you eves they imprison so yeah it is a really big i mean you know a matter of you go to prison if you don't think the right thing is it will know exactly what we're going to get a great break announcement would bring in your discussion of the brilliance same. thing. the pandemic no certainly no borders and just plotting to nationalities. has emerged on top of the we don't look like seeing the whole world needs to take.

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to do so suze. ok let's see how we did while we've got that and i still dream watch for max and for stacy old beautiful jewelry and how about. luxury automobile again for max you know what money is highly. much. welcome back to cross not where all things are considered labelle this is the home edition we're discussing some real news. go back to glendale slow. i need your help glenn i need someone to explain to me what's going on with the west approaches towards russia because on the one hand you know they're talking about a summit that would happen this summer in

a 3rd country obviously not in russia and i'm united states there's only one place in europe here and then at this at the same time on the other hand more sanctions are being applied we have diplomats being expelled back and forth so that it's a quid pro quo and then we have victoria nuland finally confirmed as the number 3 over in the state department which of course for her looking at her tenure in the obama administration the boston morton job she had she has some unfinished business to do and i suppose you can spell the word ukraine what's going on here. oh it can a bit confusing i guess with this assassins being living at the same time the south reset relations are this is our condition now because you need the word reset i mean the duty of premature non-o. then although i do not think there will be a reason to have a few articles on this because now i but only going to need that to be tough on russia this is the source of political legitimacy. but again there's

a reason why all of this happened that it will forget the. the way the public interprets a vent is largely through esoteric types as opposed to being a lot of your facts and recent now that the key problem we had since the cold war is need to really you know try to open new ideological dividing lines because during the cold war we had this very clear dividing lines and we were out to list them across these christians there were communists authoritarians and atheist so these days you whom you have a lot of the same scandals if you will the conspiracy theorist all in the same way so again if it were just look at the last few years remember you know the u.s. president was also a secret russian agent just fake you know of a 17 intelligence agencies saying that then the incident also be fake and. go on to also if a cross was not behind it you know the french election of her mother's power grid

you have recently the secret energy weapons against us occupation troops in syria on the mounting bed of there was food poisoning abilities enough 1. you know every now and then you have sweden was hunting for russian submarines and the tunnels were miming horrified and so there's always this opinion this narrative over and over again about all this it turns toward these little scandals because i mean distiller 1st of trump i mean ties to russia is common all this and russia interferes in our lives and is a genius threat to the west so i think even though they want to improve relations with russia you still have to maintain and there are. a smart family glad they want better relations with what russia a russia that doesn't exist i mean this is the problem you let me go over to georgia i mean those dastardly russians they they think they can each time it shows how devious they are. yet well clear what it is that they keep saying we want

better relations with russia even as they keep imposing the sack to remember we had evolved to wave off a wave of sanctions i mean we had the sanctions in 2014 that was a crane and we had the sanctions over interference in elections interference in the backs of interference and in all of political activities in europe. now we're getting sanctions over a number ali so you know you don't choose juries you're here you know choose your subject there's a recession and then it was it honorable we want constructive relationship we're russia we say we always say when russia retaliate so when russia this week retaliate by because larry 8. will close in on gras other than the 3 most senior figures in the e.u. issued a statement where russia clearly is not interested in a constructive relationship with the european union you know how dare they launched

this completely i'm the president of baseless act of banning e.u. people so they know that this isn't this is the rhetoric of the e.u. even as they go on about now follow me now numbers ever even explain how it is that the business of the valley is a bit any concern at all really iraq what is it got the ability russia is not a member of the e.u. you know if you're concerned about values which the e.u. proclaims that it's not about well dressed values and hope and dress and the problem of values within the e.u. same. those will be their line in this race are you worried about values address the problem of values within the united states. you know so relate to constructive relationship they want the russians help them out well or they get themselves into a mess and in the unites they've got it's all good unless iran you feel it's got

itself into a mess in afghanistan having growth in its commitments that the taliban not and now school was a withdrawal as an open result was out even as we demonize you even as. additional sanctions on any if clinton and it seems to me it's kind of like a teacher student parent under then they have to teach russia do behave and once they learn how to behave based on the teachers sanders all will be fine we can't run international relations that way maybe you can you know you can you know punch down a little countries because be countries have a long history of doing that but russia is not a small country and it has no reason to kowtow to what they think is pretty frivolous people in brussels and london and washington well you see also built into the language arts because a cost to respond on this you know south doesn't include all subjects russia's

political objects and the reason why we have conflict is not because we have competing security interests are our attentions rather it is the us and in social costs you know will never refer to russian policies regarding russian behavior so unless i choose i'm intend the future want so much as you know you are you trying to teach them how to behave well and take on the socialist rule and live you nato that are open and. you can sell a socialist or several similar russia and it doesn't survive has to be contained but the interview containers are super awesome to still come and it being a political subject so this is our own. the problem of the snap was russia which is why it used a lesser seen in contradictions i mean sanctions on russia and they're about boy but if you're correct their behavior then we can have good relations so again it's russia's responsibility to jimmy differently which means change your policies. and let's not address the computing security interests over again because with your

grand look this could be so we could recognize this and you create a security means russia differently politics supposing they go further apart on his orders and i'm not just as a security problem let's discuss what are those competing security interests i'm no . compromise the problem is everything's always refer values and socializing russia which means that no what we want to promote democracy is their friend of the ox if we just honest enough with sanctions they will learn to behave properly and this is politics also or an art and that's a mentality of 0 sum isn't so it's that i mean georgia is really interesting i mean if this is the paradigm you know symbolizing i mean who is the barbarians in the sea equation here is the countries that go around the world and they didn't bomb them they don't get united nations security council resolutions they unilaterally apply sanctions they intentionally impoverished yemen syria

venezuela as britain steals venezuela's gold under what is the basis under international law never explained who's to barberry and all of this go ahead exactly where you asked the question it was itself because of course whenever they list russia since. they you know none of them ever amounts to anything comparable to what the united states and the west don't i mean when is russia ever committed anything like the completely unprovoked unjustifiable invasion of iraq. when lesser than that when is russia ever done anything comparable to the bombing and he was love it you know when letters russia ever attempted to destroy a state by honoring jihad days as they did in syria and in libya that that's the way the west operates but what the west does and this is something we've

talked about a cloak is very redefining what reader is or is on the side of good. there's a problem of course they have with the u.n. security council and united say well international law is usually well you know if you go in accordance with the resolutions of the u.n. security council. well we don't we don't go along that but we have something called the rules based international order who knows exactly what it is but people suspect that it means we set the rules you have to abide by them but then we can change the rules when whenever they suit them but you still have to abide by those rules so that that's what equipment and what is now becoming clear is the russians in no room to put up with this i mean the the fact that they actually did this thing of asymmetric i mean usually it's razor was kind of symmetric reciprocity this time it was asymmetrical means russia just is there's no room for any more lectures any

more hypocrisy anywhere of this meddling in its internal press and i think he is making a big mistake in imagining that russia has the ball down on its knees. that then yeah it was about a year ago or 2 years ago i really love using the term to reimagine it in that term is so corrupted right now i mean and glenn were rapidly running out of time here i mean he was spoken very many times in this program amount to how when you press the issue or the paradigm of values it gets down to a moral call and then you you deem your interlocutor is aimed. moral so how can you as a moral person how can you have a constructive conversation with a immoral amoral interlocutor i mean in short circuits right away doesn't it yeah well this is also why russia doesn't change their behavior because of it whole argument is that name call but the problem is we have to have this through this

moral department so it's good for us and the problem and this is russia doesn't buy it costs that through this press some we might do the wrong thing the rest of who do for the right reasons and sometimes russia might do the right thing by the news for the wrong reasons so this matter on how to install is in the wrong but again if you won't see it through most schools chris and george mentioned iraq in the not the ninety's more than half a 1000000 children died from sanctions out of the invasion in 2003 a 1000000 more iraqis dead however most i'm for the russian olympic stand you are subject to sanctions and boycotting of their lympics because they have restrictions on credits is just for far for russia to see the moral high ground do not his states and its in this very difficult mission these things because you know your new terms like now are for us what the bulge is on the top. ocracy and i just you know appearing elsinore just so it's a very strange position to be in that you're always have the moral high ground cost business well yet nor all given time gentlemen you can't run the world that way the

world is what has sovereign states and they have interests and you have to negotiate them as all the time we have want to thank my guests in budapest and also to make our viewers there watching as the r.t.c. annex i remember. is you will be via reflection of reality. in a world transfer. what will make you feel safe from. the isolation community. are you going the right way or are you being led some. time with. what is true what is faith.

in a world corrupted you need to descend. to join us in the depths. for a mate in the shallows. so what males have tended to do and still do is is we tend to we certainly have empathy and all of that but we also tend to do nurture through aggression so we create things like like soccer and football and you know all of the various hundreds of games that involve aggression now women are aggressive and can play those games no doubt very well but when you go back to why they were created those games were created for males to nurture other males through aggression to teach them how to be empathic few aggression.