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lost in biden's pentagon boss he's been in israel declaring of. his absolute support for these early come. yes that's right i think what we're seeing is in fact there's something of a division within israel about what to do about this netanyahu has been stuck along on one track on iran by 20 years saying iran is only a few months away or 2 years away at most from a nuclear weapon and he's his policy is basically been one of containment compay forever containment not just containment but forever. and that policy is not working and hasn't been working and israeli officials have started to question it and for the 1st time we've heard explicit public pushback from senior security and intelligence officials saying you know actually we'd like to go back to the j.c.
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. and what's more we want to go back and we suggest we go back without adding anything to it no questions including missile or other aspects into the negotiation. never j p p o if we want to go back to that israel was safer at that time than it is now and these are senior officials former heads of must that i'm talking about it and i think it reflects something actually more substantial that's taken place in iraq and that is that you know we've been talking all the time about the nuclear issue being the real issue but actually tourists around it suddenly transform because actually it's not the big one in the main issue it's all the small ones that little while the smart cruise missiles swarm drones stretching from yemen through iraq iran syria and iran to a certain extent into gaza this is much more of a real threat and
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a real the carrots to screw up those missiles. hugely accurate the swarm drones are very affected we saw that in the attack on iran. last year where they were precisely what missiles what precisely thought. into their targets and so this is a different level of terrorist it's a new deterrence that iraq has is what i call the role of the oh the wramc overtax which was the group biggest spike in history i think on the oil price were from yemen iran very keen to distance itself from direct responsibility for that and if you are saying that former mossad people maybe you're in touch with the missing this then why the fact that mossad seem to be briefing presumably western intelligence agencies in the past few days that they were responsible for this hack of the natanz nuclear facility in his van province in iran. or this is you know
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really a reflection of the politicize ation increasing politicize the issue of intelligence everywhere whether it's in america or whether it's britain who all whether it's in israel. because you you had in the past people like me or their guy was the editor who i used to know why he was not dead but i mean he was very top where netanyahu originally wanted to take action against iran i mean he just said no and so did the head of the security service and they said absolutely not it would be a great mistake strategic mistake for israel to attack iran like a null saw what we have is your see co-owners you had. who's a great fan of netanyahu and you know is someone who wants to make his career out of actually in iran become an entry probably to put his hat in the ring to be prime
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minister of israel one day but it's basically a very politicized intelligence because mossad has been saying all along iran is on the brink of internal implosion and its collapsing its economy is almost in grew in and we all know now that's not true it's not the case and in fact now. iran is moving into a new europe of cooperation 1st ball with the china but also within russia not just on trade but on training intelligence sharing security issues joint exercises really really a very big change taking place that what we have we have made a post rex it gine a deal here in the u.k. i don't think probably just because because this hasn't obviously been covered in nato nation media at all. some people might be asking you what do you mean there's a been a massive trade deal between and the people's republic and the islamic republic.
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well it softer the talks that took place in anchorage. who which you were a corner a little earlier ago when the americans and the chinese sort of exchanged. criticisms each other quite vociferously. the secretary of state. to talk to them about their failings and shortly after that the chinese foreign minister came to kerala and he signed. an a memorandum of understanding a trade deal reputedly they don't disclose who gave tells of the economic aspect reputedly between $400000000.00 and $600000000.00. a big really 1000000000 dollars sorry not 1000000000000000 dollars i mean big exercise and this is something very important to china because what we're seeing is that this is going to front a really big shift in in the whole of the middle east and the greater your age it is about opening up the east west trade groups across the north of the middle
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east directly into europe the north south route which also passes through iran and goes down to the south that might by parcel as well where lines into pakistan looking pakistan into the road and belts. a whole exercise in expanding trade through infrastructure through pipelines through railway lines very soon will be a 4th cargo line are a rail line going straight from machine shown province in china through europe is the moment it's not a high speed but soon it will be high speed that will cut the cost of transport a shim are and will make it cheaper than actually using container ships for the transportation this part of the exercise in the old the expression of actually moving away from the rim or maritime. states on the atlantic and around
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the world which is where america and britain strengthens and to focus on a land based network from europe right through to china which of the 8 the need for all these choke points to pass through the checkpoints which basically the west mostly control bubble manda almost straight all of the straits which they controlled by the west for moving and aegean oil and gas and cargo and to turn it into an whole network and of course when you look at that network either way if you look at it is where china europe north south russia us down to the open waters in the south the persian gulf iran is right plum center in both and has been i mean since the last term still grows largely sorter evaporated
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in the 1500s but it was always a potion traders who were in command of those trade routes really in the centuries up to the 1500s when they went into so i mean they're really crucial to china crucial to to to russia not only in trade but in security and of course china or is expecting to have the return which is going to be iranian oil that's what it wants security of energy. and i think they've always had to tiptoe over the sanctions and 3rd party sanctions elements of the current nato nation regiment. we've actually been hearing about bob elmander straits problems in the context of ethiopia and eritrea bizarrely but given that you you personally have been involved in conflict resolution across the tables from conflicting parties. just before we get back to what we're talking about what do you do what did you make of that
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language meeting when the chinese finally came out on the world stage as it were and read the riot act to joe biden's administration about lectures on human rights . i think we'll look back on it in a few years time as a real turning point in history it really surprises me in a way because the chinese have been very cautious i mean i talked to chinese officials and they've been always very cautious and very cautious about what they said but i mean what was most significant after that was then there was a very important strategic meeting between the chinese foreign minister in about 2 days after the anchorage talks and and mr lavrov the russian foreign minister in which they discussed the yet closer arrangement between the 2 a strategic partnership association between the 2 countries but after that the chinese foreign minister went to saudi arabia and iran and interrupting he used
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language which went on a constantly hearing he recommended to the middle east a that they throw all 3 yoke of western hedging money including on civil rights and other issues. only they also told them to prize sovereignty autonomy and not to allow pressures from the west to influence their policy i mean this is a split this is the sort of language that used to come from the resistance from it was very striking to hear this coming from a chinese foreign minister and i think this does therefore that encourage the meeting with loughborough and then the visit to the middle east marks a real turning point in terms of chinese position china also said it once and nonproliferation for the entire middle east not just for iraq by implication
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including israel which of course would be an estimate of the united states in that way and he called for. he said very clearly that it was quite wrong that we should all use our efforts against western countries trying to pressure iran through sanctions and that they should be removed from it and then iran should be able to return to some form treatment on nuclear issues in the context of a complete denuclearizing of the middle east. why drag thanks to the chinese foreign minister to be saying well obviously israel very unclear about nuclear weapons we want to speak to mordechai vanunu he's not allowed to speak to the press to quote all stopping them or from the founder of conflicts forum after this break .
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change this obesity epidemic that industry has been influencing very deeply the medical and scientific establishment. some of what's driving the obesity epidemic it's called for profit. welcome back i'm still with alister group former m i 6 agent and the founder and director of conflicts for to avoid this sounding like we television station of choice of xi jinping and let me uproot him that could also mean that china was rattled other 3 stakes in this game that china and russia are a little weary of james jeffrey the former ambassador to syria told p.b.s. in the past few days al qaeda is a sin syria is an asset of the united states also there is israel this ironclad guarantee given in the past few days by biden's pentagon boss
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and and of course there are the troops on the ukraine russia border and the threat by the by the administration of retaliation military retaliation presumably against russia. well yes i think there's a real i really think sides no sense. if she likes privacy or and i think it was before the anchorage talks. the chinese were still hoping that could be a moment a modus vivendi achieved with biden ministration i think it was at the anchorage and what led up to anchorage all the threats than the new sanctions that were imposed and the statements coming out of the us that convinced them that there was another there are preparing and rush to i think with the sense that the opening of a clash sumps will between the united states and russia china and iran is
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almost inevitable and that this is something that is going to be the deciding the decisive moment in the future of geopolitics global geopolitics really then surely i'm not talking necessarily about a military war but i'm talking about a full spectrum crypto war financial war economic war trade war all of these things combine information or particularly demonizing china demonizing russia the sort of mobilize they should call a 6 element of it it is that is very crucial in all of this and these states are really and particularly putin and russia are very concerned that unless. it is very carefully handled this could slip into some sort of escalation which would be very dangerous. for everybody you mentioned ukraine i mean that is.
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an area that is an issue which could blow up very easily we still don't know what's going to happen. the reports that cargo planes arriving from the united states we don't know whether they carry weapons but very likely they do the russians got troops across or rather the border bella ruse this put it. closely the russians are doing a read in this case the butchery there are in power arming against the possibility that there are care will launch some sort of. attacking us and the law would happen that if there's any response from russia i mean major would not the united states and europe probably would. be very easily break. a lot or turkey would do in fairness to the nato they to grouping i just got to give a quick sidebar to this in case people think i'm speaking to you from london you're
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in rome and we haven't mentioned the european union at all and here we are talking about the future of the 21st century what is going on in the european union i mean syria is after all in the eastern mediterranean ukraine is the largest country in europe and we have a we have the european union's jews a borel of defacto foreign minister saying in a blog we will not stop imposing economic sanctions on syria there will be no normalization of any level we will never support reconstruction efforts that learn every european union of the state oriented media talking about the need for. defense against vladimir putin and she jinping. well i think syria is something that the the european union has sort of taken on not so much as a strategic interest but is about a reflection on the temp by the european union to highlight european values on
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human rights and other issues and as part of a ship we're seeing whereby. the europe is trying to redefine itself stroh's and to redefine it. with strategic autonomy and that strategic or ptolemy is to be defined by european civilize asian values unfortunately it comes just at the point where really the whole idea of universal human balance is rejected by most of the grow as you no longer appropriate and they say well we all have our other supplies they should chinese they are civilization with our use our harmony and community not individuals and not price and so it's quite difficult so they are they will make an effort yes on syria it will be like that ukraine is a much more problematic for the european union but i mean basically the european
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union has almost 0 or ations with russia now it's gone i mean it was not so long ago 10 years ago when it was thought in the europe and elsewhere that there would be a great a europe stretching from brought it. down to to lisbon and that if europe if russia was not part of the european union it would share everything but institution since i think the protein one stage mentioned and all of that has collapsed and now they're off. lever off the foreign minister since there are almost no relationships we have no relations with the institutions with brussels with the european union with. certain member states maybe but it's a very serious position in europe beer cold between these 2 big powers who are rivals united states was china russia are on the other europe's biggest trading
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partner is not china not the united states it was overtaken by that because of the strudel belt that i was describing with traders and trucks coming in with goods from china to europe the price of the earth and so we are. you're is in a very difficult position of trying to sort of. position itself and it needs of course investment and it needs trade ok well i mean if we can i just think if we discount. what comes out the b.b.c. about syria and u.s. stations than every nato nation really. one might then argue that the syrian family may be on the outskirts of it libya's going to be thinking you know we have a 70 percent extreme poverty in syria 60 percent unemployment. report. rebranding of isis and al qaeda in syria to
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kick off another war in syria it couldn't come too soon help from powers like china and russia and this was iran even while why are they being so-so. further north trying to not being slow i mean but the fact is that the united states and europe as sanctioned any effort to reconstruct syria and i mean let's be clear we're not talking about reconstructing the government all the state such we're talking about ordinary humanitarian reconstruction houses help you know with water supplies electricity is all that is being sanctioned by western states and the situation of ordinary syrians is deplorable it's a really mean beyond babbitts marin terrible. but neither russian where are billeted to to simply rebuild syria and if you rebuild
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syria i mean the lexica you see will be a tomahawk missile or a missile coming from somewhere we know not well which will destroy that structure the united states policy remains that they want to see and it's got stronger. by because you have people i mean if you ask me about someone like lincoln of course he was an odds with biden when he was vice pressed because he said there should be more done to get rid of more pressure more influence from your hardest to get rid of it must be ours get very very hard line in washington on it but national security adviser jake sullivan is known for e-mailing clinton hillary clinton like a 22 l. that al qaeda is on our side in syria and biden acknowledged that al qaeda was in alliance with the united states was
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a me the us and our allies i am without you just as it is being on the show we went to damascus and he said they're going to be elections this year presumably there can be no elections while the european union. well i don't know are they committing murder by these sanctions on syrian people and the united states continues to threaten syria and israel bombs damascus as it has in the muslim to do. yes i mean we do have. a extraordinary bad situation with turkey sponsoring jihadists in italy the maybe 2 or 3000000 people under the control of al qaida or had choppers if you like that i mean they're not very pleasant people to talk and then you have the north eastern side. turkey supporting a kurdish and america's 40 a sort of kurdish more autonomy and then you have the rest of the population most of the urban population but i think the will be elections held or it's possible to
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be held and they will be held in embassies outside syria who are those who are refugees if they're allowed i mean moved when they held elections here before i think i'm here to know something and in lebanon there were huge killings of syrians floating the embassy in beirut i don't know whether lebanon were allowed to do that again i don't know whether they'll be allowed to hold it in other places it won't be it'll be a very imperfect election and of course people who view it with very different lenses and others will say it's a farce that most of those and others say let's see how it goes and let's look at the sort of turnout took place within syria the turnout and who they voted for in outside syria yes and he said there will be more hotly disputed if no one will accept it at all cause i mean the president will be there will be multiple
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candidates because nobody's political parties are under sanctions as well from the european union and britain now it's actually 75 years since the independence of syria on saturday would what goes through your mind about how journalists fail to see the blowback after what we saw in afghanistan after what we see saw in. historically that they don't realize the dangers of as you call them had choppers coming to europe after this what seems to be continued brussels london washington support for what could harm brussels london and washington. well i remember some time ago a lot of best broke out going on a main channel on television in the u.k. and i said you know what you're seeing here is a concerted attempt to regime change in law using.
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jadis tool using extreme sunni radicals to bring us about and i was told oh well you know how do you not telling me the financial times is wrong that the economist chris wrong and the b.b.c. is wrong when they show these videos all the time and i said yes that is the case they are all these many of these idiots a lot of it use fake reviews has been and i think you had it exposed about the huge effort that has bee create a new commission. misinformation. amongst certain institutions funded by the british foreign office to present syria or was possible like it's very hot i mean. for all of your viewers it's impossible really to get to the bottom of the truth about syria it's just so much it the water
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is so mind it that details are so much it it's terrible i so really indictment of the west and all of us i mean what's happening because it's the syrian people it's not a you know it's not overthrow the government it's the syrian people who live in dire conditions and suffer terrible. infringements or they're very current. that if it were your favorite your velocity in we'll be back on the 12th of may with an end to the local additions and a brand new look over me dylan you know what you all are interviewed by for describing who you tube channel following us on for live for me. how should we interpret the recent f.b.i. raid on the home of former trump lawyer rudy giuliani a legitimate investigation into wrongdoing or
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