dition or masculinity as damaging to life isn't that a way of saying that the last i don't you mean it wasn't years of human evolution cultural evolution how dissension we reached outcome you're absolutely right what they're trying to do is they're part of this movement and they're and it's just a division of the american psychological association but they the the a.p.a. gave this division the power to write these rules and and of course i and many others said no no that that's that's not going to work. the core concept that i think they're trying to get at is that there are things that men do that are not good right and we would all agree with that you know i think there are things we do that are not good right absolutely so they're trying to get rid of those things but their approach is wrongheaded and nonscientific because what they're trying to do

is say that men do bad things let's say because their social construct masculinity is flawed and the things that are flawed in it they say are aggression which is actually not flawed aggression is fine violence is bad aggression is fine the other thing is still a system they don't like still is and they say well men you know should everyone everyone should always talk about everything they're feeling and actually the science shows that's a bad idea the more you ventilate your feelings the more depressed you get right but for them they've got this academic feminist approach or what they call pro-feminist approach that makes those things bad and they and they say those things are bad because the social construct created them. even though aggression and stoicism are actually biological too but i think they don't yet exist only in the realms i mean i actually was writing that that was. this is madness sometimes i

can be pretty aggressive about correct me if i'm wrong but from what i understand for psychology it's usually impossible to clearly separate the victim and an abuser especially in any suspense relationship because they tend to be both at the same time there is a symbiotic great reinforcing relational dynamic. even if we accept that the h.r.p. gave through our economic benefits so that we have been able to exist for solo 1st so many centuries for millenia in fact without the latter when men get something valuable out of it. yes it was a response to what we call the patriarchy which we can see well represented like in judeo christian you know the bible that's good really represents patriarchy you can absolutely see it women don't vote women are you know they are 2nd class when they get is they're protected right they get protection and they're provided for what

the men do is they seek to be alphas they seek to run things and what they get especially because they're worried and go to war is they get certain benefits that women don't yet and it was have higher chance of being killed i have to ask exactly right and then there are deficits for both absolutely and it was a logical response to population explosion because when we move from tribal into agricultural rights around 10000 years ago populations are to explode and we had all of these people they had to be organized the patriarchy gradually developed you know so the patriarchy has to a great extent outlived its usefulness to a great extent and women obviously are ascending and they don't need to have those deficits anymore and all of that is absolutely true but the toxic masculinity thing you know what what these folks try to do is they try to attach everything like

masculinity they try to attach it to patriarchy and then say well you see we know the patriarchy wasn't a good idea or if it was it's not anymore so therefore masculinity is a bad idea from a security imagine the way to go that pay sharky has its course and you know i don't from russia country i'm going to sort of create a large deficit of males because if or. aleutians fabens substance abuse like racing all those factors happen today if you can just see 4 or 5 generations of strong women who compete for man in iraq and. for that pay sharky is it common to dream i mean it's raining mad how lou bring it on they actually want more of a profit and. i wonder what it's all round it's a chart in the chart it could be any how many call it i know human archy human that's good i like it well you have just you have just expressed that in russia for

instance the patriarchy is sort of gun right women are running a lot now in terms of needing more men that's that's part of what we've got this problem with world wide in in as the world is sloughed off or much of the world decided that there are certain things about the past we didn't want anymore we also threw the baby out with the bathwater so the baby here was men and male development and we just said forget male development we're not going to do what males need to survive and thrive we're going to go ahead and you know they can go to war ok we'll let them die we'll put them in dangerous jobs and some men because they're very smart and strong will climb to the top some will who wouldn't right climb to the top very smart and strong but but tens of millions of men and tens of millions of boys were going to forget about it and that's what you know what the us is struggling with what rate you're saying russia struggling with and that's the thing

we now have to address and the middle ground is science based to me the middle ground is we take the politics out and we look at science we look at how the male brain develops we look at how the female brain develops we go deeper in to who we actually are and as we go deeper into who we actually are our societies will know how to help boys and girls service. and thrive rap group mr grig you coined this term gender indifference and i think it's very important you can try to standing and they are correct asian or biological differences between men and women it would be ideological negation of that which i think is the current standards in the west what are some of the ways in which e-mail and mail brains of different. yeah well i'll give you a few quick ones one is that males do words on the left primarily on the left and females do words on both sides of the brain and that means males are also only

males or behind females generally in reading writing and speaking just because we don't use as much of our brain for words but also we don't connect as many words to feelings as females do or words to emotions because females are doing that on both sides of the brain males are doing it on one side and connected to that is that females are using up to 10 times more white matter activity which is in the mylan and which spread signals throughout the brain instantaneously males are using more grave matter activity which happens in splotches in the brain. connected to that is females do much of their brain life is in the frontal lobe so all the different parts of the frontal and the frontal is impulse control executive decision making all of these things words studying all of that males do things further back in great matter areas so those are just some of the hundreds of profound differences that affect the way that how how do we educate boys and girls our teachers don't

know that we need them to know this or we lose a lot of boys in school you know etc and those are just 3 of hundreds i don't have here using a lot of brains and in your quest to show how different it wasn't girls imagine women. roces the same tasks and it's striking to me how their latest science or is that the most ancient ideas about masculinity and it's funny. that sanity being as there are so see if that brat into kalash and a masculine is you who are characterized by focus and nettle this commission says that our forbearers where able to be here is that out ringback long before i had the machines aren't bad i mean the machines for recognizing the difference in white matter in the great matter integrating. oh i agree so when i do talks you know when

i do lectures and so on i show i have a slide that i show that has a quote from a brain scientist and then right above it is from genesis you know and god created male and female and you can see way way back in everyone use common sense and they understood that there was a profound male female difference and what the brain scans are certain is doing are just as you said just saying ok now we can really understand all the differences and then that whole system understand how to set up our social systems so that they serve women and they serve men they serve boys they serve girls and everyone on the spectrum if we don't know this stuff now this is when we create social systems like school systems that don't support mainly males so that males are the ones that are struggling the most in school because none of the teachers were trained in this and so boys are getting in trouble for stuff that's just natural to them and that's actually ok and they're not able to do the words as well as females etc and so they

get d's and f.'s or low grades and they flunk out of. this school sister and their way to exist today in most countries is a product of its 20th century and it's for the most part of it so women dominate that women make up the majority of educators not stuff. but if i understand you correctly women that tends to project look even that values but that outweighs all being in this world on tuesday this whole next generation assuming that's the only way to be and already is a visible that in how boys and girls are relating to obviously the things that when i just talk more about the differences then drac empathy what schickel at russian nurturance. ok yeah so the female brain not only some brain differences that also the hormone ology females have more oxytocin which is a direct bonding chemical and that and the mirror neurons in the insula in the

middle you know where empathy happens in the female green mirror neurons last longer than in the male brain and so they have more and more direct empathy immediate and it lasts longer because they mirror the pain and someone else or even and they pick up facial cues and the person may not even be in pain but they see it as pain and they see it as you know and it's a beautiful thing is part of why civilization exists because women have that capacity truly males on the other hand are mirror neurons get killed off more quickly because of our testosterone so testosterone is an aggression chemical and so what males have tended to do and still do is is we tend to we certainly have empathy and all of that but we also tend to nurture through aggression so we create things like like soccer and football and you know all of the various hundreds of games that involve aggression now women are aggressive and can play those games no doubt very well but when you go back to why they were created those games were

created for males to nurture other males to aggression to teach them how to be empathic through aggression and how to use aggression and the same is true now rough and tumble play is one of the best ways to get more of the brain to work in the frontal lobe actually which is what we want rough and tumble play so i've called that aggression nurturance and males not every male but males in the aggregate tend more toward aggression nurturance females in the aggregate tend more toward direct empathy nurturance and the key is not to get rid of either of these the key is to have both so females do it their way males do it their way we cross over of course there's overlap and that's how we raise and educate really so good smart resilient kids we have to take care. very short break right now i will be back in a moment. we

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welcome back to worlds apart but psychotherapist so best knowing all right michael gurian is your guru. when we talk about. yes q initiate especially toxic restaurant getting it would be unfair that the subject of so many generous nationally toxic examiners yet i don't want to discuss it in moral terms more interested on what is it in women's and girls' biology and psychology is that me make them unpleasant or even toxic well

yeah anyone can be toxic and we always want to establish anyone understand what you're getting at we don't you know sometimes we popularly say girl drama or girls can be really nasty to each other women can be can smile at you know someone but really think something very nasty behind their back and undercut and and yeah women do stuff like that all the time i mean everyone that's what's so bizarre about the conversation that we are in we don't ever talk about toxics then and any we only talk about toxic masculinity when it would be better actually to i just think not use those terms and just say ok what is what is going on in women so if we look at what's going on in women that sometimes makes them self-destruct and harm others part of what's happening is they these rumination loops so the female brain takes in so much emotive deta so much more than males picks up so many more facial cues

so she takes all this in and she thinks things out and she's constantly processing 5 or 10 different things she may someone may roll her eyes at her like roll her eyes she could think about that for 2 days and that's a rumination loop and these these loops warm in women's brains and girls brains that last a long time and then are fed by the hormone ology and so then girls without realizing it they go out and they do some very mean things and often they have it's not causal like the person really was not being mean to them but they go. out and they you know undercut people they do cyber bullying they do all sorts of things that you're calling toxic they yeah that are and a lot of it goes back to how their brains work and people don't realize this about the female brain so so we will tend to say to females to girls will tend to say go ahead and express everything and really what we should be saying is we want to hear what you felt about that person rolling their eyes but then after that we need to

problem solve this and reality check this and where there is actual trauma that she's been put through you know sexual assault i mean there's so many traumas that a woman can go through ok then we really need to hear things for longer and get her therapy but we also need a reality check and stop the loops because those ruminations are really destructive to girls and women and then that's part of how they go out into the world and then they can even become violent. and i think for all those battles that are being waged has a pension of sort of spreading its value us around the world including gender barriers and by that i mean we're already what you call gender indifference but also there is a case about gender. how do you think other societies should that brooch. i guess i think scientifically are right now we're in a phase in the us of saying there's no male female anymore everything's fluid etc

but it doesn't really fit the science when we look at science and every culture can use the same science if they go to green institute dot com which is my our site for our our our work you can see thousands of studies that show that sex is binary sex is male female that's binary that's biological and body and brain right male brain female brain are different coming on the x. in the eye chromosome that's sex and sex on the brain that's a binary there are only 2 options male and female gender which is a social construct which is what you know what are you in russia what are they in saudi arabia what are we in the us what do what do we say socially about what we think masculine and feminine ought to be that's a social construct that is fluid because every society thinks something different and then some cultures inside a society think something different but if we stay with sexes binary gender is

fluid then we are covering every pace i think traditionally social institutional based on the day. that rather than gender that i descended and resurrections we should treat each other as human beings that we are but when you are trying to build or form asil institution christ said what degree of generalization you mentioned before that even right zeus asked this where i'm doing i have i really enjoy all of you know how commentating are sex differences i can't imagine how you can build this functional system or what is it like it more than that how different genders any approach just things socially he again i think is the temperament seems some of the west. sussex youth sexual differences that gen. the difference is an xterm there is that's right i think it's an incredible chance

i don't see how we young there is anything that will actually save our kids. and that's probably and. that really aren't that you know patience and concern for each form of. yeah we have to set them up for sex we have to set all of our systems up to take care of the sex of the child 1st which is and well let me use an example of schools we we we can't we can't say to schools ok we've decided not for ideological reasons that you no longer have to pay attention to the fact that that kids have male brains and female brains they're boys and girls they're going to all be they and we're not going to pay any attention to it all we will do if we do that is we will increase the number of boys and girls who fail out of school who don't succeed in life you know because as you've just said sex on the brain is one of the primary drivers of human experience so we 1st have to create the system to take

care of sex and then we can and then we can say to the system look you've we've got some exceptions who prove the rule in other words we have some folks who are gay right ok there are exceptions but the system can take care of them we don't have to say they don't exist the system can take care of them. and partially because the system takes care of male and female and being gay is inside male and female also trans if we take your male and female we can take care of the people who are trans around point 3 percent. that we can study with scans we can see are trans you know so transsexual transgender we can take care of those people because we've taken care of male and female so we 1st take care of male and female and then we add on that is the best way to run the social system well there's one more thing i want to trash and you know all of this is their concept of safe spaces. i find it highly ironic that as crime statistics for the united states is at record high there's so

much discussion about creating a safe space at which sites we ever reason to humor i thought real here i thought it was supposed to be safe i mean it wasn't ever supposed to be a safe human's outcry for all to real frustration for total safety and if we cannot create a safe space inside our own psyche i don't understand how we can get around that from other people. yes safe space started out certain gets are no good what it was was our family should be a safe space and a counseling office should be a safe space that's where the language came from because there is child abuse we're trying to get you know homes to be safe and then counseling offices people got to be safe to express their trauma and their feelings and we can't judge so that's where it came from it was the right thing but then what happened is the culture got ahold of it and said ok. we i have this idea so my idea is whatever

that person's ideas and then they said ok i need a safe space for that idea so now my university has to has to allow me to express that idea even if it's you know not a very good idea and no one should argue with me because i need a safe space for my idea that is nuts so we need to get say space me back to. home safe counseling office safe but other environments we should have great social arguments that mr griffin i seem to state that for me only because that will be very sad that you know i think this is it the only sliming in psychology that this country it seems even want me if i'm being extremely valuable or acts that i'm doing and developing here and so i mean i wonder if there is any difference between a doubt record levels of anxiety and depression in your office is that the generous

act of servants our societies are beside here to say for everything and you can go on to say prove him alive when you know that some degree of frustration related to the government your fear of being you know absolutely that's why i think the concept of aggression nurturance is so is actually such a good concept because and women can use aggression nurturance because what it says is actually if we want resilience if our goal is to build resilient children who can grow up to become resilient adults then they need to have more discomfort not abuse not abuse not rape not sexual assault none of that they should be safe from that but they need to have discomfort they need to have people push back and challenge them and be aggressive with them not violent that's something else but aggression nurturance and here's one of the best ways we know we're right is it used to be that we were told that no germs that note that children should never get germs and now we know loops actually that was wrong we need little children to be

exposed to these aggressive toxins which are germs we need them to be exposed to that aggression so that they develop the immune systems and the antibodies and the same thing is true of psychology we need to keep them safe from violence yes but not from challenge and not from discomfort they should have some frustration yes. great stuff it's been fascinating talking to you thank you very much for your travel all the way if you need you to thank you and thank you for watching and hope to syria last week a worlds apart. by .

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