mission of the program we explain why russians have an aversion to war contrary to what is said in the west and at the recent g 7 foreign ministers meeting russia was declared reckless and aggressive who is really reckless and aggressive. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest mark has bubbled up alyson london he's a historian analyst and author of the new book a rise rossiya return of russia to world politics and here in moscow we're joined by bob and she is political analyst and editor who knows me internet media project hi gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated on this go to marcus 1st in london well here we are again commemorating the end of the 2nd world war in europe the the destruction of fascism which of course is a truly profound holiday in russia though it's not the solid

a is not nearly recognised as much as it was at one time in the west as a matter of fact what really pains me and why we do a program every single year on this is that the distortions of history the false be cation of history and the and the attempt to deny russia its rightful place in destroying fascism in europe your thoughts on this day because this is one of the most important days if not the most important day on the calendar in russia. will be stuff i did on syria express my profound congratulations to the russian people answer all of the awful april so fall a soviet union such as the ukrainians and russians on victory day i would most secrets well faced which represents the soviet union's victory in both will sue and with its the preservation of the soviet smaller lands we must always remember some decent. fronts well both will suit was long and last wednesday van ox incurs 88

percent of its troops a wartime losses or was another way of every 5 german soldiers who died in world also fought died fighting against the red army the triumph the successes of the soviets in the 2nd model is one of the most remarkable episodes in shipment history because they hold seats and eventually annihilates it's a german war machine which in lessons theory is conquered most of europe and the van matts was in my estimation the most miserable 'd fighting machine in living history especially an offensive warfare and the red army the soviet people as a whole stop sights and buy something that they preserved mankind as a civilization a service people hate and an oil mess trust officially the fakers between 27 and

28000000 more than likely more than 30000000 soviet people perished that is another reason why the russian people as a whole were generally russian man and woman and the russian leadership have a profound a version to all lusha does not want war russia only wants to preserve its national security and that has been the case when russia was a wristband russia was communist and russia today so we must always remember the soviets war that you know game and that there is a concerted effort in the united talked about this on numerous occasions is to deny the the history and the facts that mark is just presented to us here there is this concerted effort to distort this of the soviet contribution to destroying fascism in europe why is that is it just the diligent in my eyes to today's russian rushes

legitimate national security interest. well interestingly if. bush's came out of the author us or. agency recently basically you made it clear as you sat he asked that question you know as life the more pragmatic mesa might dispute in defending you know their their contribution of the soviet union to defeat all the nazi germany a y.c. so insistent on people hearing the facts you know from the archives and then bitchiest he gave hans in his own article because if the soviet union was a model of the aggressor see in that war if the soviet union has the same responsibility for the you know what s the european parliament is now trying to convince us right then 'd the soviet union was not a legitimate state and the russian is not a legitimate state been

a success of the listserv you know and this kind of make it your history would give egypt you mice the very foundations all the wall daughter that we craft you know put in and russia are o'berry often now it's used by the west or you know just good to the stability you know denying the structures created off the wall what you we don't change in the borders well of course it was not a russia it was nato and the west they change the more distrust you know beginning with their unification of germany beginning with their separation of course from syria maybe all the wars but nevertheless they insist just on crane here and to end on the events in georgia where saakashvili try to require that their interest that seceded from germany from georgy in 1901 and that led to a war which you lost. but the western media your screen of that russia is there

are you know. well if we read that resolution of the european parliament and bought the plastic no in 2019 own then most area i think it was because of dangerous fear or their patrol more to act you know i was just creepy at this resolution recently and they fall so many a missions that you know for example based upon. there is a stress that the 2nd the war the war the most devastating war in europe history more start s. and he media result of the story is not to saw him or non-aggression or go to what wasn't yet 39 nor the whole truth where is the american dream and here it's simply a historical here let me go back to marcus i'm glad you brought this up here demon i mean it was the failure of the of the western structures security system of

europe it was munich when it technically in my mind the 2nd world war maybe didn't start but it was inevitable because it was the western powers that sold out the sovereign country when stalin's soviet union was always demanding for security protections to maintain the peace in europe that is completely forgotten and you don't have to love or hate stalin bennis is the fact go ahead learn took us why given it was a friend of the soviet union like him or. yes indeed following the coming to power of the national socialists in germany in january of 1973 and certainly if 1945 onwards. so collective security ritson and france but was securely intensive in the period from 1946 lines up and so the sum of 19 fancy 9 however london and paris has

a his sarah cool loathing of communism together with his son. very cool distrust and suspicion over russian motives which the british and the french always described as russian expansionism russian imperialistic objects is so they shunned stalin's attempt a collective security now i'm not going to sit here today patrons say that if the incident france and the soviet union has signs a concert of one another that words have to nazi germany because there is more than sufficient evidence to show that nazi germany was of the opinion that the soviets on me was not a particularly powerful force when it came to offensive warfare nonetheless the fact that the serviette union swords collective security we've risen and france is

a historical fact you cannot dispute sense and yet the british and the france also signs their own agreements of nazi germany than they laid out city infamous unique conference in which is this a basin lands of czechoslovakia was given away to hit that just encourage a less insatiable lust for territorial expansion and then the server union in the summer overnight in august of 1500 if all britain and france have done previously of germany they signed an agreement with nazi germany was not a pact so friendship that was both sides to fight for what they believed was going to be an inevitable conflict and would be frank about the lands that the red army apparently and next from poland valuables true did that was land which poland had taken from the service union during the polish soviet war there were no bullets fired from the red army ensign the eastern europe the eastern lands or opponent bay

was celebrated by both the bella. and the ukrainian yes because poland as a result of being base and announcing based boland became a failed state was no longer a functioning state demons were rapidly running out of here i think it's really important to me impress upon our viewers this aversion the russians. because that's not the message you get in western media all of that i remember very very clearly when putin gave a speech to the general assembly in the united nations i think it was in august of 2015 when he announced. based on the invitation of the syrian government that russian with the deployment of cherry personnel and hardware to fight terrorism i lived in this country your country for many many years and never saw people so we're going to war. no you're absolutely right and this is the reason

why x. your ra russia and before all the way soviet union no niched the fort for many injustices the company during the 2nd one what you know is more section of the soviet union the 1st oscar is an illusion you know also if oscar is illusion and unique in 9 condemning them or a freeman and it's all come up. this resolution has not been recalls you know the problem was the reaction on the west and especially or east european countries to our. desire to make peace strong desire to have bygones be bygones instead of off saying this is the terrible past you know the restart are the same nationalist movements that existed before the war and that our allies to he played during the war. started to rename all the places you know again this

resolution or that european parliament which continued to exist until in existence in public spaces in. some may embassies of more humans than memorial cost square streets glory find. there are no ops glorifying stalin or the so if you in and then who are not even know in the. in the ages or so in the 7 just there are arcs glorifying the soviet soul just who draw the germans away so am i france for example in poland he lived on the square named after the defense or study and grab the name was removed why this is terrible this is what makes os you know we can see into some of our concessions that we made in edge in 1990 you are out of. the us and i jump in here that's actually a thread you will get to be able to use the next part of our program here ok i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break discussion on some real news day.

the world is. shaped by. the day or thinks. we dare to ask. the problem with having money printing and also near 0 percent or 0 percent interest rates is that it destroys price signals in the economy because you're saying the underlying fundamental substance of the economy that is money money itself is the grol material of economics of capitalism you're saying it has a 0 value so therefore if you have a 0 value for the substance of your economy it's very very difficult to build

something that you can point to the sale of that has value and that one doesn't have any value because they're both equally value less. welcome back across not were all things considered on puter labelle this is the home edition to remind you we're discussing some real names. it is go back to london marcus we had the g. 7 foreign ministers meeting and we still have the secretary of state and i mean they can and he's on his. democracy versus a top prosy tour it would seem and and of course we come across as very familiar rhetoric of who is being reckless and who is being aggressive here but you know

that at the same time when when i look at statements coming from out of the u.k. out of united states when it comes to ukraine i have to ask the question who's being aggressive who's being reckless and i would say it is the creating government the u.s. government and the british government which remarkably is you know always the loudest part of barking dog in all of this i get maybe you can explain to our viewers why is the u.k. so directly anti russian they're the roosevelt b. is gone beyond reason go ahead. well if i may take the 1st points why is britain the services phobic for centuries now ever since diplomatic relations were established between london and moscow in the 1600s. has been in beijing it's racism in london to the russian people british policymakers alone with a british journalists as i said since the time that relations are established

between london and moscow hundreds of years ago have saved russia have to see the russian people as almost the devil incarnate when you have a look at how insults thrown the 1800s hindsight is the official code of the sessions in the house of commons the language that british parliamentarians used in the eighty's in concerts that's ascribes obvious lusha was almost identical to how british elements variance despite the soviet union and how british policy on a miniseries and describe in russia today in twin. c. $21.00 so there isn't a sense of anglo-saxon superiority in prison and was a sense that russia is from the ace russia represents the dock forces of the east which have historically france and the freedom and independence and civilization of the west and in syria the foreign the 7 foreign ministers meeting i read that statements there was nothing new there was nothing surprising they've kept so the

narrative burgles one word one what i refuse to describe statements in whole is inversion they talk about set them off receive us is was focus a they talk about woodstock received in russia they talk about it was talk of see in elevators but they don't refer to or talk to say in saudi arabia or the other gulf arab countries they don't talk about that because saudi arabia and other gulf countries are some of them most important friends and allies in the world and it should be said pizza that saudi arabia for instance is not just one of the most kids of countries in the uk it is the leading financier of islamist terrorism in the wells and when they talk about when the g. 74 are going to spoke about holding ukraine's independence and democracy well what's a bounce in the late c. files in france hate when american politicians including the los of john mccain

flew to care for an address their protest this on a might then encourage an ensuite over from the elected governments the elected president of ukraine at the time namely. that's was the ultimate affronts to ukrainian democracy so they can nothing about democracy what they do care about however is preserving western global as are many really russia's effect so that it's very easy that we hear all of this that this threat to to ukraine's sovereignty g.-man but. if it if the evil legal overthrow of the constitutional government hadn't happened in february of 2014 then well crimea and the dumb ass would still be part of ukraine so i mean it's the it's the the the spinelessness of the e.u. not keeping to its agreement of the power and transition of power in ukraine which you know covert you preach to and then of course

a tory newman with her cookies i mean they're done once the gist of it changed forever in my opinion ukraine's sovereignty so why is everybody pointing the finger and if at the end russia when it's a western powers broke up ukraine go ahead no it's it's a maze and you know what you just mentioned interview was the west seems to be how blind men talking about who claim that there is additional the european parliament against a deleterious regimes from 200-1000 at me called member conscious should fight historical revisionism and. not succumb or greet us insall e.u. member states well in ukraine there is a law that priests people including foreign us from insulting you know or investigate such organizations as the ukrainian insurgent army especially going to stations as going to say from your training nationalist organizations which ask

israel are responsible for the most variable atrocitus it is jewels against falls off all and end of course against russians entities ukrainians by the way to koreans who didn't agree with bonde there and other people who of course cooperated with the nazis some who are no go or if i can ukraine and the who doesn't notice if you know they g 7 foreign ministers don't know just have fun and of course they i do magick and i want you to continue the markets you know if it took germany and israel so we're pretty. simmonds alinsky in ukraine to our site only speak out or even mention the fact that there is a glorification of naziism in ukraine today in 2021 i don't yet see that and it's not you know history is so easily forgotten by these people and they talk about the famine in ukraine in the early vote just because of the cliff you may zation which is a fact but the white wash their extremist nationalism or western ukrainians

we hear about family from west ukrainian nationalists who are part of laurent and final burial and who of course didn't go through the famine in the early thirty's they were persecuted by the forty's government which was very right just very authoritarian and that is easier for women in the west but of course they didn't see the family and you know their regions of ukraine that suffered from the famine are now warm and destroyed by the ukrainian central government because these are considered to be brought russian regions but what you mentioned i think is very important you know the age if you're a bit if you go return to russia you know if we go even earlier than the diplomatic relations which mark was just gripe i think this is important i would table the table is actually a wrong transformation of his nickname he was rather i haven't the threatening are

the on the strong so i want the terrible wanted to marry the queen elizabeth in the 16th century actually addressed her a letter and she refused saying that the parliament doesn't allow her to do it she doesn't even in a poor christian jews in a democracy so the parliament of the outer mary i would be able and the funny thing is that i would the parable believe that of course it was not true which you know elizabeth the 2nd had full power in your country it was the previous council they just cited everything not a parliament but the. is this terrible and this very strange you know all. the rage in us all russians to believe you know that the west has the more it's just inevitable and it still continues in some parts of our society today i think that story is very important symbolically about democracy and focus it and fall final point on the same day when just sound was awesome this you know making these

speeches about russia has been rather clear sound aggressive saudia the guardian published an opinion poll conducted in 53 congress by a lot on a polling company and it turned out that 44 percent of the least 4 of us in the $53.00 congress or the world consider the united states as the main threat to their democracy that it was you know china was a distant 2nd with just 38 percent and russia was the warmest f. 28 percent so people of the wall do not conceive a russia or china threat to their democracy as they consider the united states and watch great threat and this is what paul show by the leads in the west especially and as you said that's so detached from their own populations that they keep feeding people the same story you know in the u.k. and they were asked as perpetrators of democracy in russia and china has a very very in congress and this is how did that i mean it doesn't reflect their

the mood in society you more nearly but marcus i mean these are the same people that talk democracy but if they can't force regime change they break international law left and right and the rules apply to everyone else but not ourselves i mean that is that's in that cell ok because it's power we have the power and we can see what we want to do that's essentially what it's all about. absolutely that's for america guys america and britain on the international stage it is. out power influence and wealth and that is why they are attempts sincere falsify history but out in the soviet union's role in world war search and that is why they are the pits in russia today as almost the devil incarnate it does not make sense for the american and british relates to on the one hand tell their respective papers that it was the soviet union which all the grunts of the vanoc and fools about the end

of nazi germany but on the other hand to then say boston today photos is a terrible friend to freedom and independence of america and britain so they have to keep in the pits in busta in an extremely negative way and at the same time falsified be history of hope also and limits for going about democracy in grayson well let's have a closer examination of that shall wait is the head of the british state's elected no she is the uk house of the british parliaments the house of lords elect is no better is not much them ocracy in britain democracy in britain is merely a facade and yet so many who donate british people on this street wraps it from the realities of the country begun and also the same applies to the american people and when it comes to falsifying history well if the american and british

elites who are i should say totally detached on the opinions of their respective publics if they are going to force a fight a simple human biology namely that is not just males and females they are genders out there is more of it easy for bands of folks a fight the true for outs or happened in ukraine over what happened in bell of those last year it is an extremely the presence state of affairs even more the present is extensively dangerous because. in the ministry of truth it's backed up by big check i mean that's their world and we're forced to live it all right gentlemen that's all the time we have i want to thank my guests in london and here in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at the scene next time and remember.

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