hello and welcome to crossfire her things are considered peter lavelle remembering war on this edition of the program we explain why russians have an aversion to war contrary to what is said in the west and at the recent g 7 foreign ministers meeting russia was declared reckless and aggressive who is really reckless and aggressive. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest mark has bubbled up with us and london he's a historian analyst and author of the new book a rise rossiya return of russia to world politics and here in moscow we're joined by me public she is political analyst and editor he knows me internet media project hi gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciate go to marcus 1st in london well here we are again

commemorating the end of the 2nd world war in europe the destruction of fascism which of course is a truly bro found holiday in russia though it's not the holiday is now nearly recognised as much as it was at one time in the west as a matter of fact what really pains me and why we do a program every single year on this is that the distortions of history the ball speak ation of history and being that and the attempt to deny russia its rightful place in destroying fascism in europe your thoughts on this day because this is one of the most important days if not the most important day on the calendar in russia . will be stuff i'm quite serious stress my profound congratulations to the russian people and so all of the off people so fool a soviet union such as the ukrainians and russians on. a most sacred oath taste which represents the soviet union's a victory. in both will sir and we've it's the preservation of the soviets

motherland we must always remember that it was on the eastern front well who also was one and last wed a van knox incurs 88 percent of its troops so wartime losses or was another way of every 5 german soldiers who died in world who also who fought died fighting against the red army the triumph the successes of the serviettes in the 2nd model is one of the most remarkable episodes in shipment history because they hold seats and eventually annihilates it's a german war machine which in lessons for years had conquered most of europe and the van matts was in my estimation the most miserable fighting machine in living history especially in offensive warfare and the red army the soviet people as a whole 'd stop sights and buy stuff and that they preserved mankind as

a civilization the soviet people pay for an enormous price officially the fate is between 27 and 28000000 more than likely more than 40000000 soviet people perished that is another reason why the russian people as a whole were generally russian man and woman and the russian leadership have a profound a version so war lusha does not want war russia only wants to preserve its national security and that has been the case when russia was just went russia was communist and russia today so we must always remember the soviets were this big you know team and that there is a concerted effort in the united talked about this on numerous occasions is to deny the the history and the facts that mark is just presented to us here there is this concerted effort to distort this the soviet contribution to destroying fascism in

europe why is that is it just a few deal illegitimate eyes to today's russian rushes legitimate national security interests ahead. well interestingly. i learned the sheets came out of the office or or bloomberg agency or recently basically you made it clear. he asked that question in their slightly more pragmatic makes why is putin defending you know there the contribution of the soviet union to defeat over nazi germany or why she's so insistent on people hearing the facts you know from the archives and then batiste gave answer in his own article because if the soviet union was one of the aggressor see in that war if the servant union has the same responsibility for the you know the what s the european parliament is now

trying to convince us right then the soviet union was not a legitimate state and russia is not a legitimate state been a successor to the soviet union and this kind of attitude to history would did it just reminds the very foundations or the water that we have you know which in and russia are very often now it's used by the west or for you know just good in the stability you know denial and the structures created after the war were to you know change in the borders well of course it was not a russia it was nato and the west it changed the borders 1st you know beginning with the unification of germany beginning with their separation of course from serbia maybe other wars but nevertheless they insist just on crane here and on the events in georgia over saakashvili tried to reconquer the territories that

seceded from germany soria from georgy in 1901 and that led to a war which he lost. but the western media keeps claiming that russia is their vision it's our year. well if we read that his edition of the european parliament a book that last no in 2019 own then most area i think it was because of dangerous fear all that. more to act you know i was i just created this resolution recently and they fall so many i'm missions that you know for example based upon. there is additional stress that the 2nd while the war the most devastating war in europe history was started at s. and he media result though that a tourist not to some of you g.t.a. or non-aggression or make you go to war with us thank you 39 more the full truth where is the american dream and here it's simply a historical here in the middle back to marcus i'm glad you brought this up here

jima i mean it was the failure of the of the western structures security system of europe it was munich when it technically in my mind the 2nd world war maybe didn't start but it was inevitable because it was the western powers that sold out the sovereign country when stalin's soviet union was always demanding for security protections to maintain the peace in europe that is completely forgotten and you don't have to love or hate stalin that is the fact to him and took us like you that he was a friend of the soviet union like of him you. yes indeed following the coming to power of the national socialists in germany in january of 1930 free and certainly if from 1945 on what's stalin's collective security we've both britain and france but it was particularly intensive in the period from

1946 right up until the summer of the 19th however london and paris has his sarah cool no moving of communism. with his son. very cool this trust and suspicion of russian motives which the british and the french always described as russian expansionism russian imperialistic objects is so they shunned stalin's attempts at collective security now i'm not going to sit here today basically say that if the incident france and the soviet union has signed a pact to one another that words have to nazi germany because there is more than sufficient evidence to show that nazi germany was of the opinion that the soviets army was not a particularly powerful force when it came to offensive warfare nonetheless the

fact that the survey unit sorts collective security we've risen and france is a historical fact you cannot dispute a sense and yet the british and the french also signed spec agreements of nazi germany than they laid out city infamous eunick conference in which the survey salon's of czechoslovakia was given away to hit back just encouraged hitler's insatiable lust for territorial expansion and then the survey union in the summer of night in august of 1000 votes none if what britain and france are done previously or germany based signed an agreement with nazi germany about was not a pats of friendship but was by both sides to fight for what they believed was going to be an inevitable conflict and would be frank about the lands the red army apparently annexed from poland that was true did that was

a land which poland had taken from the soviet union during the polish soviet war there were no bullets fired from the red army ensign the eastern europe or the eastern lands or opponent they were celebrated by both the bellamy. and the ukrainian yes because poland can be as a result of the end of days and announcing based boland became a failed state was no longer a functioning state your demons were rapidly running out of here i think it's really important to me and present our viewers this version the russians. because that's not the message you get in western media all of that i remember very very clearly when putin gave a speech to the general assembly united nations i think it was in august of 2015 when he announced. based on the invitation of the syrian government their russian with the deployment of the cherry personnel and hardware to fight terrorism i lived in this country your country for many many years and i saw i never saw people so

we're going to war terror by. oh well you're absolutely right and this is the reason why x. russia and before that wage soviet union norwich to the fort for many injustices the cap'n during their 2nd war you know it was actually the soviet union the 1st oss there is an illusion you know also if i'm an author is allusion in $1809.00 condemning the more frequent act and it's often. this resolution has not been recall you know the problem was the reaction on the west and especially or east european countries to our. desire to make peace store and desire to have bygones be bygones instead of off saying this is the terrible cost you know the restart are the same nationalist movements that existed

before the war and that's our allies to heath ledger in the war they started to rename all the places they gain this resolution oh they're european parliament they continue to exist until in existence in public spaces in. some member states of more humans and the morial box square streets glorifying the potato regimes there are no ox glorifying stalin or so if you seem in there who are not even though in the. in the ages of course or in the 7 just there are all glorifying the soviet soldiers who draw the germans away so and why france for example in poland he lived on the square named after the defense of study and the name was removed why this is terrible this is what makes us you know he can see into some of our concessions that we made in 1809 and united are out of the top of this anger

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well not to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter labelle this is the home edition to remind you we're discussing some where humans. it is go back to london marcus we had the g. 7 foreign ministers meeting and we still have the secretary of state and i mean plane can and he's on his. democracy versus a top prosy tour it would seem and and of course we come across as very familiar rhetoric of who is being reckless and who is being aggressive here but you know that at the same time when when i look at statements coming from out of the u.k. out of united states when it comes to ukraine i have to ask the question who's being aggressive who's being reckless and i would say it is the creating government

the u.s. government and the british government which remarkably is you know always the loudest barring a barking dog in all of this i get maybe you can explain to our viewers why is the u.k. so directly anti russian there there is a phobia has gone beyond reason. well if i may take the 1st point why is britain the services phobic for centuries now ever since diplomatic relations were established between london and moscow in the 1600s. has been in beijing it's racism in london to rules the russian people british policy makers along with a british journalists as i said since the time that relations were established between london and moscow hundreds of years ago have received russia have to say to russian people as almost the devil incarnate when you have

a look at how phony 1800 hindsight is the official a coincidence discussions in the house of commons the language that british parliamentarians used in asian concerts that ascribes obvious lusha then was almost identical to how british elements variance despite the soviet union and how british policy opponents for instance ascribe in russia today in twin. c. $21.00 so there isn't a sense of anglo-saxon superiority in prison and was of a sense that russia is from the east russia represents the dock forces of the east which have historically france and the freedom and independence and civilization of the west and in syria the foreign b.j. 74 mismated i write best statements of their is nothing new there is nothing surprising they have kept so the narrative political zwan was what i was used to describe statements in hope is in fashion they talk about democracy for us is we

talk to see they talk about woodstock received in russia they talk about it was obviously in elevators but they don't reference or want to talk crissy in a saudi arabia or they are go from arab countries they don't talk about that because saudi arabia and other gulf countries are some of them most important friends and allies in the world and it should be said pizza that saudi arabia for instance is not just one of the most kids off countries in the uk it is the leading financier of islamist terrorism in the wells and when they talk about when the g 7 foreign minister spoke about holding ukraine's independence and democracy well what's a bounce in the late c. files and 1st state when american politicians including the los i'm john mccain flew to care and addressed the protests this on the might then encouraging them sued over from the elected governments the elected president of ukraine at the time

namely nikolaevitch that's was the ultimate affront to ukrainian democracy so they can nothing about democracy what they do care about however is preserving western global engine money really that russia is a friend so that it's very easy that we hear all of this that this threat to to ukraine's sovereignty g.-man but. if it if the the legal overthrow of the constitutional government hadn't happened in february of 2014 then well crimea and the dumb ass would still be part of ukraine so i mean it's the it's the the the spinelessness of the e.u. not keeping to its agreement of a power transition of power in ukraine which you know what you preach to them and then of course a korean nuclear winter cookies i mean they're the ones the gist of it changed forever in my opinion ukraine sovereignty so why does everybody pointing the finger

at the if at the end russia when it's a western powers they broke up ukraine. is a maze and you know what you just mentioned before he was the west seems to be blind when talking about hearing that there is additional the european parliament against a deleterious regimes from 2011 equal member conti's should fight historical revisionism and. not succumb to reach us even some e.u. member states well in ukraine there is a law that received its people including foreign us from insulting you know or investigate such organizations as the ukrainian insurgent army especially going to zation says the organization of ukrainian nationalist organizations which ask israel are responsible for the more steerable atrocious it is draws against falls off all and end of course against russians entities ukrainians by the way if

you create us who didn't agree with bonde there and other people who of course cooperated with the nazis somewhat how we go or if i mean you're going and b. who doesn't know just if you know they g 7 foreign ministers don't know just that funny and of course they argument and i want you to continue the markets you know if it took germany and israel it's worth the price. since alinsky in ukraine to off site only speak out or even mention the fact that there is of glorification of naziism in ukraine today in 2021. yes he did it and it's not you know history is so easily forgotten by these people when they talk about the famine in ukraine in the early though just because of the cliff you may zation which is a fact bought the white warsh their extremist nationalism or western ukrainians we hear about family from west ukrainian nationalists who are part of the warrant

and finally. who of course didn't go through the famine in the early thirties they were persecuted by the poorest government which was very right just very authoritarian and there is easier for women in the west but of course they didn't see the famine you know their regions of ukraine that suffered from the famine are now warm and destroyed by the ukrainian central government because these are considered to be broad russian regions but oh what you mentioned i think is very important you know the agent your bet if you go return to russia you know if we go even earlier than the diplomatic relations which mark was just gripe i think this is important island the table the table is actually a wrong translation of his nickname he was rather ivan the threatening are that the strong so i want the terrible wanted to marry the queen elizabeth in the 16th century actually addressed her a letter and she refused saying that the parliament doesn't allow her to do it she

doesn't even in a poll christian she lives in a democracy so the parliament don't allow to marry i would be able and the funny thing is that i would that they will believe that of course it was not true which you know elizabeth the 2nd chance for power in your country it was the previous council they just cited everything not a part of it but. is this terrible and this is very strange you know all. the rage of us all russians to believe you know that the west has democracy it's just inevitable and it still continues in some parts of our society today i think that story is very important symbolically and how democracy have focused it and fall final point on the same day when just sound was awesome day as you know making these speeches about russia has been rather clear sound aggressive saudia the guardian published an opinion poll conducted in 53 congress by

a lot on appointing company and it turned out that 44 percent of the respondents in the 53 countries on the world can see the united states as the main threat to their democracy it was you know china was a distant 2nd with just 38 percent and russia was the warmest at 28 percent so people of the wall do not conceive the russia or china threat to their democracy as they consider the united states and watch great threat and this is what the ball show by the leads in the west especially and you said that's so detached from their own populations that they keep feeding people the same story you know they were ok and then you asked us perpetrators of democracy in russia in china so very very in congress and this is outdated it doesn't reflect the mood in society anymore nearly that marcus i mean these are the same people that top democracy but if they

can't force regime change they break international law left and right and if the rules apply to everyone else but not ourselves i mean that is that's in that shell ok because it's power we have the power and we will do what we want to do that's essentially what it's all about. absolutely that's for america to gaius america and britain on the international stage it is. about how our influence and wealth and dots is why they are exempt since their falsify history because in the soviet union's role in both will search and that is why they are depicting the day as almost the devil incarnate it does not make sense for the american and british relates suit on the one hand tell their respective papers that it will state soviet union which all the grunts of the van act and goes about the end of nazi germany but on the other hand so many say boston today photos is

a terrible friend to freedom and independence of america and britain so they have to keep in the pits in russia in an extremely negative way and the signs on falsified the history of mobile suit and a misfortune about democracy in britain well let's have a closer examination of that shall rate is the head of the british states elected no she is they are house of the british parliament the house of lords elect is no better is not much them ocracy in britain they're more crissy immigrants and is merely a facade and yet so many who donate british people on this street wraps it from the realities of the country behaving and also the same applies to the american people and when it comes to falsifying history well is the american and british elites who are i should say totally detached on the opinions of their respective publics if they're going to force a fight

a simple human biology namely that is not just males and females as other genders out there is more of it easy for them to falsify the true for outs or happened in ukraine or what happened in bella who's lost it is an extremely the presence state of affairs even more the present is exceptionally dangerous because. in the ministry of truth it is backed up by big jack i mean that's their world and we're forced to live it all right gentlemen that's all the time we have i want to thank my guests in london and here in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r.g.c. next time remember. when else seemed wrong. roles just don't call. me.

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