the problem with having money printing. near 0 percent or 0 percent interest rates is that it destroys price signals in the economy because you're saying the underlying fundamental substance of the economy that is money money itself is the grow material of economics of capitalism he sang it as a 0 value so therefore if you have a 0 value for the substance of your economy it's very very difficult to build something that you can point to say without has value now and doesn't have any value because they're both equally valued less. one else so it's seems wrong. when old rules just don't hold. any gold

yet to stamp out just the conflict that's occurring and engaged equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. hello and welcome across town where all things are considered on peter lavelle

remembering war on this edition of the program we explain why russians have an aversion to war contrary to what is said in the west and at the recent g 7 foreign ministers meeting russia was declared reckless and aggressive who is really reckless and aggressive. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest mark has popped up with us and london he's a historian analyst and author of the new book a rise rossiya return of russia to world politics and here in moscow we're joined by bob and she is a political analyst and editor who knows me internet media project hi gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated i was going to marcus 1st in london well here we are again commemorating the end of the 2nd world war in europe the the destruction of fascism

which of course is a truly profound holiday in russia though it's not this holiday is now nearly recognized as much as it was one time in the west as a matter of fact what really pains me and why we do a program every single year on this is that the distortions of history the false speak a short history and the that and the attempt to deny russia its rightful place in destroying fascism in europe your thoughts on this day because this is one of the most important days if not the most important day. on the counter in russia. well here's our iran syria express my profound congratulations to the russian people answer all of you have a pulls off for less soviet union such as the ukrainians and elevations on victory day a most sacred oath ace which represents the soviet union's a victory in both wars 3 and we've it's the preservation of the soviets motherland we must always remember that it was on the eastern front well who also was won and

lost a van knox incurs 88 percent of its troops a wartime losses or that's another way of every 5 german soldiers who died in world all sorry for died fighting against the red army the triumph the successes of the soviets in the 2nd model is one of the most marketable episodes in shipment history because the baby home states and eventually annihilates it's a german war machine which in lessons through years had conquered most of europe and the van that was in my estimation the most miserable fighting machine in living history especially an offensive warfare and the red army the soviet people as a whole stop that and by stopping that they preserved mankind as a civilization the soviet people pay for an enormous price officially the fate is

between 27 and 28000000 more than likely more than 30000000 soviet people perished vast is another reason why the russian people as a hope of equal unity muscle man and woman and the russian leadership have a profound version so war lusha does not want war russia only wants to preserve its national security and that has. being the case where russia will solve wristband russia was communist and russia so we must remember the soviets what it's you know de mint that there is a concerted effort and you know i have talked about this on numerous occasions is to deny the history and the facts that mark is just presented to us here there is this concerted effort to distort this the soviet contribution to destroying fascism in europe why is that is it just to deal with the legitimate eyes to today's

russian russia's legitimate national security interests. well interestingly if. bush is came out of the office or. agency recently basically you made it clear if you sat he asked that question you know as life a more pragmatic way said my dispute in defending you know their their contribution of the soviet union to defeat over nazi germany a y.c. so insistent on people hearing the facts you know from the archives and then bush used he gave hans a in his own logic will because if the soviet union was a model of the aggressor see in that war if the soviet union has the same responsibility for the you know what s. the european parliament is now trying to convince us right then 'd the soviet union

was not a legitimate state and the russian is not in egypt mid-state being a successor to the soviet union and this kind of make introduce history would give egypt you mice the very foundations all the wall daughter that we craft you know put in at rush hour obey often now accused by the west all of you know disturbing the stability you know denying that the structures created off the wall what you were you know changing the borders well of course it was not russia it was nato and the west they change the more dispersed you know beginning with their unification of germany beginning with their separation of course from syria maybe all the wars but nevertheless they insist just on crane here and to end on the events in georgia are saakashvili try to reconquer that their interests that seceded from germany from georgy in 1901 and that led to

a war which you lost. by the western media keeps claiming that russia is their revisionist are here. well if we read that resolution of the european parliament and bought the plot you know in 2019 own then most area i think it was because of dangerous fear all that. malta act you know i was just creepy had this resolution recently and they follow so many i'm missions that you know for example based upon. there is additional stress that the 2nd world war the most devastating war in europe history was started at s. and he media has although the tourist not to stop or non-aggression or make it go to walk a snake in 39 more the whole truth where is the american dream and here it's simply a historical here in the middle back to marcus i'm glad you brought this up here demon i mean it was the failure of the of the western structured security system of

europe it was munich when it had a cli in my mind the 2nd world war maybe didn't start but it was inevitable because it was the western powers that sold out the sovereign country when stalin's soviet union was always demanding for security protections to maintain the peace in europe that is completely forgotten and you don't have to love or hate stalin bennis is the fact go ahead mark just like you that he was a friend of the soviet union for him or. yes indeed following be coming to power of the national socialists in germany in january of 1973 and certainly if 0945 on what's stalin so collective security we've both britain and france that was securely intensive in the period from 1946 right up until the summer of 1939 however our london and paris has a his stare

a cool lovin of communism suggest up with this song. very cruel this trust and suspicion of russia not motives which the british and the french always described as russian expansionism russian imperialist it objects is so they shunned stalin's attempts i collect his security now i'm not going to sit here to date and say that if president france and the soviet union has signed a pact through one another but words have to nazi germany because there is more than sufficient evidence to show that nazi germany was of the opinion that the soviets army was not a particularly powerful force when it came to offensive warfare nonetheless the fact that the soviet union swords collective security we've risen and france is

a historical fact you cannot dispute that and yet the british and the france also signs their own agreements of nazi germany vendée laid out city infamous you nick conference in which the survey salons of czechoslovakia was given away to hit that just encourage hitler's insatiable lust but senatorial expansion and then the survey union in the summer of not in august of $1000.00 votes none if what britain and france are done previously or germany they signed an agreement with nazi germany about was not a pact so friendship that was by both sides to fight for what they believed was going to be an inevitable conflict and would be frank about the lands the red army apparently annexed from poland that was true did that was a land which poland had taken from the soviet union during the polish soviet war

there were no bullets fired from the red army ensign the eastern europe the eastern lands or opponent bay was celebrated by both the bella. and the ukrainian yes because poland as a result of the end days and announcing based bolen became a failed state was no longer a functioning state your demons were rapidly running out of here i think it's really important to me and. our viewers this immersion the russians. because that's not the message you get in western media all of that i remember very very clearly when putin gave a speech to the general assembly united nations i think it was in august of 2015 when he announced. based on the invitation of the syrian government that rushing with to deploy military personnel and hardware to fight terrorism i lived in this country your country for many many years and i saw i never saw people so we're going to war. no you're absolutely right and this is the reason why x.

russia and before the soviet union norwich to the fort for many injustices the company during the 2nd war you know it was actually the soviet union the 1st oss there is an illusion you know our so if i'm an author is allusion in 1909 condemning them or act and it's all come up. this resolution has not been recalls you know the problem was the reaction on the west and especially or east european countries to our. desire to make the story desirable have by going to be bygones instead of all saying ok this is the terrible cost you know the restart are the same nationalist movements that existed before the war and that's our allies to heat when you're going to war be to rename

all the places and i again this resolution oh that european parliament continue to exist until in existence in public spaces in. samei embassies of more human sunday morning box square street's glory find. there are no ox glorifying stalin or the so if you're in there who are not even though in the. in the ages or so in the 7 just there are all glory find the soviet soul just who draw the german so wait so am i france for example in poland he leave on the square named offer the defense or study abroad the name was removed why this is terrible this is what makes os you know he can see into some of our concessions that we made in 1999 are out of. the us and to jump in here that's actually a thread that we're going to be able to use the next part of our program here ok i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to

a short break and after that short break discussion on some real news day. when i was told small seemed wrong all my old clothes just don't call. me the old

days yet to shape out this day comes to educate and in games from an equal betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. welcome back to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle this is the home edition to remind you we're discussing some real names. it is go back to london the markets we had the g.

7 foreign ministers meeting and we still have the secretary of state and i mean blake and then he's on his. democracy versus a top procedure or it would seem and and of course we come across as very familiar rhetoric of who is being reckless and who is being aggressive here but you know that at the same time when when i look at statements coming from out of the u.k. and of united states when it comes to ukraine i have to ask the question who's being aggressive who's being reckless and i would say it is the reigning government the u.s. government and the british government which remarkably is you know always the loudest part barking dog in all of this i get maybe you can explain to our viewers why is the u.k. so directly anti russian they're the roosevelt b. is gone beyond reason go ahead. well if i may say this us point why is britain the services phobic for centuries now ever since diplomatic relations are

established between london and moscow in the 1600s. has been made it racism in london to rules the russian people british policy makers along with a british journalists as i said since the time that relations were established between london and moscow hundreds of years could have saved russia have to see the russian people as almost the devil incarnate when you have a look at how assad's phone the 1800s hindsight is the official record of discussions in the house of commons which the british tolerance variance used in asian concerts to describe czarist russia was almost identical to how british elements various despite the soviet union and how british policy on its hands and describing russia today in twin. see $21.00 so there isn't

a sense of anglo-saxon superiority in prison and was a sense that russia is from the ace russia represents the dark forces of the east which have historically france and the freedom and independence and civilization of the west turned in syria the foreign b.j. 7 foreign ministers meeting i read their statements there was nothing new there was nothing surprising they've kept so the narrative but of those one was. used to describe statements in ho is in fashion they talk about the office see for us is we talk received a talk about we talk received in russia they talk about it was talk of see in elevators but they don't reference or will talk crissy in saudi arabia or the other gulf arab countries they don't talk about ads because saudi arabia and other gulf countries are some of them most important friends and allies in the world and it should be said pizza that saudi arabia for instance is not just one of the most

kids of countries in the uk it is the laden finance of islamist terrorism in the wealth and when they win the g 7 foreign minister spoke about holding ukraine's independence and democracy well what's a bounce in the late c. files and friends say when american politicians including the los of john mccain flew to care for an address the protests this on the might that encourage an ensuite over from the elected governments the elected president of ukraine at the time namely unico that that's was the ultimate affronts to ukrainian democracy so they can nothing about their moccasins what they do care about however is preserving western global and germany really that russia is a friend so that it's very easy that we hear all of this that this threat to to ukraine's sovereignty g.-man but. if the legal overthrow of the

constitutional government hadn't happened in february of 2014 then well crimea and the dumb ass would still be part of ukraine so i mean it's the it's the east with the the spinelessness of the e.u. not keeping to its agreement of how a transition of power in ukraine is you know how it should reach you and then of course it tory newman with her cookies i mean there once the gist of it changed forever in my opinion ukraine sovereignty so why does everybody pointing the finger at the if at the end russia when it's a western powers they broke up ukraine oh you know it's it's a maze and you know horse you just mentioned before he was the west seems to be blind when talking about hillary that there is additional the european parliament against it and if they are in regimes from 2011 call member conti's should fight historical revisionism and. not succumb or greet us insall e.u.

member states well in ukraine there is no law that received its people including foreign us from insulting you know or investigate such organizations as the ukrainian insurgent army especially going to zation says the organization of ukrainian nationalist organizations which ask israel are responsible for the malls datable atrocious it is draws against falls off all and end of it was against russians entities to craniums by the way to koreans who didn't agree with bonde there and other people who of course cooperated with the nazis and who are now go or if i can ukraine and the who doesn't notice it you know they g 7 foreign ministers don't know just that funny and of course they argument and i want you to continue their markets you know it if you took germany and israel were. an insulin skin ukraine to off site only speak out or even mention the fact that there is

a glorification of naziism in ukraine today in 2021 i don't yet see that and it's not you know history is so easily forgotten by these people when they talk about the famine in ukraine in the early just because of the collective maze ation which is a fact but the white wash their extremist nationalism or western ukrainians we hear about family from west ukrainian nationalists who are part of laurent and finally at the time and who of course didn't go through the famine in the early thirty's they were persecuted by the polish government which was very right just very authoritarian and that is easier for women in the west but of course they didn't see the famine you know their regions of ukraine that suffered from the famine are now warm and destroyed by the ukrainian central government because these

are considered to be broad russian regions are and what you mentioned i think is very important you know the 18th you are back if you go return to russia you know if we go even earlier than the diplomatic relations which mark was just gripe i think this is important for ireland favorable to the table is actually a wrong frustration over his nickname he was rather i haven't the threatening are that are in the strong so i want the terrible wanted to marry the queen elizabeth in this century actually addressed her letter and she refused saying that the parliament doesn't allow her to because she doesn't even in a poll christian she lives in a democracy so the parliament on throughout and to marry i would be able and the fighting is that i would the terrible believe that of course it was not true which you know elizabeth the 2nd had full power in your country it was the previous council that just cited everything not a part of it but. is this terrible and this is very strange you know all. the

rage in us all russians to believe you know that the west has democracy it's just inevitable and it still continues in some parts of our society today and i think that story is very important symbolically about democracy and while final point on the same day when just sound was awesome the as you know making these speeches about russia has been rather clear sound aggressive south india the guardian published an opinion poll conducted in 53 congress by law teleporting company and it turned out that 44 percent of the least 4 of us in the $53.00 countries on the world conceive of the united states as the main threat to their democracy that it was you know china was a distant 2nd with just 38 percent and russia was the warmest f. $28.00 assam so people of the wall do not conceive the russia or china threat to

their democracy as they consider the united states and watch great threat and this is what the poor show but have the least in the west especially and as you said that's so detached from their own populations that they keep feeding people the same story you know they ok and then you ask us perpetrators of democracy in russia and china has a very very in contrast and this is outdated it doesn't reflect their mood in society more nearly that markets i mean these are the same people that talk democracy but if they can't force regime change they break international law left and right and the rules apply to everyone else but not ourselves i mean that is that's in that cell ok because it's power we have the power and we want to what we want to do that's essentially what it's all about. absolutely that's for america guys america and britain on the international stage it is. are out how are influence and wealth and dots is why they are exempt since they're falsify history

because in the soviet union's role in both will search and that is why they are kicked in the day as almost the devil incarnate it does not make sense for the american and british relates suit on the one hand tell their respective paper was that it will state soviet union which all the grunts of the vanoc and those are happy end of nazi germany but on the other hand to then say oz is a de fer poses a terrible friend to freedom and independence of america and britain so they have to keep on their picks in russia in an extremely negative way and at the same time falsified the history of mobile suit and the misfortune about democracy in britain well let's have a closer examination of that shall wait is the head of the british states elected no she is they are house of the british parliaments the house of lords elect is no

better is not much them ocracy in britain democracy in britain is merely a facade and yet so many would in a british people are distracted from the realities of the country and also the same applies to the american people and when it comes to falsifying history well if the american and british elites who are i should say totally detached from the opinions of their respective publics if they're going to force a fight a simple human biology namely that is not just males and females as other genders out there is more all that easy for them to force a fight the true for outs or happened in ukraine over what happened in both of those last year it is an extremely the presence state of affairs even more the present is exceptionally dangerous because. in the ministry of truth it's backed up

by big tax i mean well that's their world and we're forced to leave it right gentlemen that's all the time we have i want to thank my guests in london and here in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r.c.c. next time remember. the problem with having money printing. near 0 percent or 0 percent interest rates is that it destroys price signals in the economy because you're saying the underlying fundamental substance of the economy that is money money itself is the grow material economics of capitalism you're saying it has a 0 value so therefore if you have a 0 value for the substance of your economy it's very very difficult to build something that you can point to say well that has value and that one doesn't have any value because they're both equally valid you left.

the group hamas fires rockets. on this really cracked on on palestinian protesters the. injured israel has hit with her strikes and gals reportedly killing up to 9 people. also ahead on the program this hour a clash of ideas e.u. leaders pushed back against washington's plan to wave. a thankless job with no prospects new poll suggests 40 percent of french nurses want to change their profession.