we've seen in the u.k. . that significant control of firearms within a population. makes them or less available to a very significant degree if you have fewer firearms circulating then it's less likely that they're going to fall into the hands of somebody. who is one of the very very very few people that might consider doing something like this. and so it yes as part of play but it's not the it's not the end of it so at all peter dunne you listed here in moscow and clearly as you rightly say mental health will be. a priority and should quite rightly be the priority in these sorts of cases but just going back to the question of 4 hours this was a hot side escort shotgun turkish manufactured a forum that can certainly do a lot of damage in the hands of the wrong person especially in a close confined space like a school and nevertheless it was only glee by this attacker

a report saying he bought 250 rounds illegally at a gun shop in the days leading up to the attack do you think it will come as a surprise to many that this sort of weapon was a law as to a 19 year old and he passed the relevant checks in russia when russia was very strict with checks even on you know not lethal firearms people have to go for an interview with up with a psychiatrist through drugs checks etc will questions be arse as to how he managed to obtain this far on legally and if officials and specialists missed anything along the way. i mean regardless of the regime forearms licensing committees of possession of weapons of this sort of fatal capability. regardless of what the laws are in a particular state of course you have asked as to why this 19 year old has the firearm and where there are opportunities to raise red flags at some point during

that process. it beggars belief to be fair that weapons of this type are so readily available in some countries as you say oh my my understanding was that russia is quite strict in terms of access to legally health firearms in that context certainly questions will be asked. because i can't think of many reasons why a 19 year old would clean wanting a weapon like this. you had biggest belief and it certainly does coming from the perspective of someone in the united kingdom peter just want to pick up on something you said earlier about this being the sentiment more being needed to be done to address mental health issues and what is the cause of the problem that's something that you're thinking about is this part of the wider discussion because

presumably these incidents are only going to continue unless something is done to tackle the root problem but are they all 30 that large in different countries actually having this conversation and i think they are i'm not so the experts on exactly what's very interesting to about in various different countries but i pick up bits and pieces from the news channels and elsewhere about what different countries are doing and i think to a greater or lesser extent yes they are but those speaking from the perspective of the united kingdom where obviously i've got more or more extensive and deeper knowledge of what was going on i would say. these are things that subtly are taking place at the operational level school heads will see something like this and think what if what if it was more school was it who got him twice what the situation in relation to child and adolescent mental health is there something we could and should be doing and so the operational level yes it's talked about it could always

be talked about more in in a more systematic why but where i think it fails and i think it fails in pretty much every country is when it comes to the politicians and the politicians are there not asked to do something when we look at the whole example presents its of the world by the us i have got a death toll of their young people and children that is just unbelievable and they are doing nothing and why are they doing nothing this simple answer is because the firearms lobby politicians and politicians are therefore not willing to get involved in far as control not the only answer well as an answer to this problem that needs to be addressed and i think we see those issues elsewhere then it's not the same issue and you can hate but in the u.k. we see child's mental health had a lesson man so have talked about very widely within the school communities and

within the mental health professionals world but when it comes to the government spending money and systematically putting in place the services needed so that young people get the help they need when they need it and ideally it's only a stage when it's easier to correct. and deal with. sorry there is no money and all there is no political will there's no political gain there's no votes in next and almost by definition there's no votes finish from the people that need the help and support because i don't hate scene yet. and so it. it's the politicians that leave to go use the politicians that the peoples of the different countries needs to make gets a grip and make them know that there are votes in this and they won't be getting them unless they do what they need to do to try and how dress the situation peter i and appreciate your mental health expert informed police of

a bomb entity just to to get your opinion on this up i've spoken previously to a representative medical expert from world health organization who said because of this pandemic there is a tsunami of mental health problems coming the world's way. you know a fair proportion of those who are affected are going to be children who are struggling to deal with this very unusual world that we're living in at the moment potentially this could be a big problem potentially we might see an increase in in problems at schools i just wonder what what needs to be done now to stop that happening would you bring in extra security will it be fast enough if you say we need to talk more about mental health what i mean ideally how can you try and avoid the worst case scenario. i absolutely agree that there's a tsunami come in i've yet to hear any expert operates in this field say overwise there are going to be increases in charles' mental health issues and some

of those are going to develop into the source of situations that we've tragically seen to behave in russia how many i don't know more than we had before probably what needs to be done well who the hell it needs to be there now. around the world we're seeing things moving steadily and you know one step forward 2 steps back sort of way. to getting back to normality and that involves young people and children going back into schools and i've heard some commentary from teachers and from. college ists and such like about the situation in the u.k. and real problems for some young people in getting back into the socialization i guess is that so threat of actually meeting their peers face to face getting back involved in dealing with their peers in the indian regulate it's face of the

playground all right so i schools who are really having difficulty communicating again with their peers as human beings face to face interacting with them to having physical contact with them. and some. i'm a layman when it comes to psychiatric issues but something has to be wrong when people are saying there are young people who given the option of going to me and play with their mates would rather sit and play on a computer screen all the time yes of course computer screens have a part of play these days and it's far bigger than it is the power that was played in my day when computers were something that happen way way away from the old. repopulation book they're everywhere now so they can be avoided as well they shouldn't be used entirely instead of that interaction and where you see young people physically having difficulty with face to face reaction and disappearing

back into the safety of their. screen based interactions then we have got a real problem come in. if you ask me what what should be done if i was prime minister so morrow what would i do about this issue well i would employ full time psychiatric and psychological staff for every school for every school so they have got a resource on site sufficient for that school's needs so that children young people in need again assessed and supports it's right from the star of these things becoming a parent are simply not happen unfortunately. how difficult i mean it on the face of it obviously it is an extremely difficult situation for the police officers who are the 1st ones to appear on the scene they know that there's a fatal shooting as as occurred they don't know how many people they don't know the full details how difficult is it is it for them to deal with this scenario when the so much conflicting information so much confusion someone may even be thinking this

is still just a child who are dealing with here and we don't know what's fully happened just explain to us how delicate is the scenario when your responder. i mean it's usually difficult and as you rightly point out and we've seen the use of seen in some of the clips you've played the chaos and confusion mixed in with. the fear of terrorism. makes for an incredibly difficult situation for police officers or law enforcement or any sort of support to go into to deal with we only sort of situation police officers are used to going into a situation where information is low chaos and confusion and possibly threaten risks are high and then those 2 graphs sort of interact as things go on and you get more and more resources going up as the thing develops and more and more support arrives and at the same time you get the information going up as well so

the situation becomes better known you've got more of an idea about what was happened and where it's happened and what needs to be addressed now going forward so that information is coming in and things are getting better from that perspective. but right at the beginning you've got a low information low knowledge situation that is it is incredibly dangerous potentially and frequently actually. it's almost impossible for all officers to trying to do with that. yes you're specialist teams or swat teams if you like you know when they get called in but of course there isn't a swat team stationed around the corner from every school in the context we're talking and it takes time for them to get there and in the meantime it's the infantry if you like. the foot foot soldiers of altering local law enforcement that

are thrust into the. into the problem or into the spotlight of having to deal with this from an incredibly difficult no we. in situation to be honest. there's all sorts of complexities you've got dozens of people running away from a school situational trying to run away from school situational sheltering in place depending on what's happened and there's a concern that the x. akermanis have jettisoned their weapons and maybe even change their clothing and be hiding amongst the pupils and teachers that are escaping something like this so ideally you need to be carrying out some sort of screening of those leaving the scene now in that 99.9 percent of the time they'll be innocent victims trying to flee you'll have problems with it's hackers that booby trap places you have problems with attackers who are laying low and hiding you have problems with all sorts of things all of which require significant resources to deal with safely

properly thoroughly and efficiently resources that you simply haven't got the very 1st response to this incident just like every other incident on earth or happens it will probably be a couple of cops in a couple of cars where do you even start is incredibly difficult to do this. you talked about the problem with resources the issues that need to be tackled in terms of prevention but also the lack of resources in sort of dealing with matters when they come along. if i think back when you know when i was growing up it was a big thing if somebody smoked at school you had a local bobby one police officer covering quite a large region and villages were a stage now decades later where people are talking about schools and those places of education but as soft targets in terms of violent attacks do you see any way back to where we used to be or is this just an irreversible change in society now.

i think a bit of both there are certainly things that the governments and the law enforcement agencies could do you mention have in the local bobby not just in the context of the school in the context of each local community. and those are listening ears of law enforcement within communities part of local communities it is absolutely essential i'm not sure that in the u.k. context i'm not sure the victorians. understood the importance in a technical sort of way but they certainly understood the importance in iran this feels right this seems to be useful sort of why you find me a street scene of london or any place in the u.k. . taken at the at the birth of a photo you find mystery scene that hasn't got a copper copper standing in a direct in traffic or just lurking around at the back sort of want to be

a far graphs or feel to it sometimes it wasn't that they were in there just because a photograph would be in so you know they were that because if you looked at any busy story so you know any city in the u.k. in those days it was a culprit in somewhere and that simply isn't the case anymore and it won't be the case and so governments spend money to make it the case. if you could list any number of different parts of our society the have changed and have changed beyond recognition and that varies across the world and depending on the different sort of psychologies of the different countries we live in but one way or another things are degraded we have become. far less in such person only connected to it than we were and yet we are far more in contact with each other certainly virtually via social media and none of these things have been done with any sort of

involvement of expert consideration and review and academic systematic academic investigation of the impacts of these changes there are one doubt it we've been some good impacts lots of good impacts both there will have been some bad impacts some of which we start to see when incidents like this happen but unfortunately what tends to happen is there tends to be an official inquiry of some description and especially if the attacker is deceased here we don't have a situation where almost always is the case and we tend to have an inquiry we don't have the focus that an upcoming criminal trial will bring to the bank already in establishing all the evidence and testing all the evidence and so i'm not saying they wouldn't be for 3 people on the shelf and nobody will read them acad and they are certainly not in any. taken into account on

a wider scale they're not implemented systematically and what we need to ask why and why is our politicians and that is our civic society. we just don't get the lessons learned how how often do you hear that lessons will be learned to provide prevent this happening again in. in all sorts of cases in all sorts of situations and then. a year hopefully is down the line it's all happened again and again we hear the same lessons will be learned and you certainly want work and well a very best not always the case even for the thing it's very best what that actually means it practices that all for say in that area very. trying very much i've learned the lessons. of ensure that it will happen again within this generation will as time moves our organizational memories fade just as

individual memories fade and it will happen again if you 'd know it simply will happen again because we don't approach these things systematically overtown we tend to address them locally we tend to address them at this moment as now and come back in a decade and you'll be looking to find any trace whatsoever of lessons on bridge loan still viewed implemented it. would have been talking about the details of it and some of the larger issues relating to today's school shooting in cars and in central russia with peter kirk and all the police officer peter thanks so much for your time and your sense you just thank you. ok let's stay with this story because we just received footage of some of the children being evacuated from the school in question in because i'm with special forces police along with the teachers helping them to escape to safety.

and just to recap for you if you're just joining us here in our to internationalise afternoon our breaking news story coming out of design in central russia a school shooting at least 8 people have been killed including 7 children one teacher with at least is reported 16 other people injured one assailant who has now been apprehended by the local police will bring you continue coverage of this story throughout the day. americans love buying homes. this was a fundamental part of how our political leadership and our country a large understood the bargain you get

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of palestinians from land claimed by jewish settlers israel responded to rockets fired from the gaza strip launching a series of missile strikes against the palestinian militant group hamas a warning you may find the following images. of palestinian health ministries reporter those least 20 people dead following strikes on gaza 9 children are said to be among the victims earlier militants launched missiles against israel you'll see in a moment israel's iron dome defense system. it is intercepting rockets said to be from gaza israeli military said around $150.00 rockets were fired by militants monday and that 6 civilians were injured meanwhile more than $300.00 palestinians were hurt in clashes with israeli security forces in jerusalem on monday.

there are many that are happening people are finding a way to escape routes that can get made at a city a flare up in violence and this comes as people have broken the fast of ramadan people have finished praying and people have a teasing to disperse from the area it is a terrible station here it's time to start to have a fair so we're just going to move out of the way because we don't want to get pulled some next kind of low tech that is being sprayed over there and you can see that there are going off in the distance now here at around 6 o'clock local time for the 1st time in a long time the simon sounded here in jerusalem they were 45 rockets that were fired from gaza and israel was despondent almost immediately what a strike said it says the air force struck 3 have massed sites now we are hearing

that quite a number of kind of sting ends with children including children at the same time these weighty defense minister many guns has called for state of emergency within a 50 mile radius of the gaza strip now this comes as the international community responds to israel it is true tree critical amnesty international says it has people on the ground and quoted these ladies have been using excessive force of the same time you nice if says dozens of children have been. injured and the european union has also come on board and pointed fingers at the israelis we are deeply concerned over the recent clashes and violence it's clear that all sides it was called for you to respect the state to all of the holy sites should do a shoot with regard to evictions of palestinian families they want to repeat what we have already been saying such actions are the illegal human internationale military a law i'm always sure to fuel tensions underground now earlier on monday

it was peak annual planned to select day march there was discussion amongst the israeli security forces as to whether or not it should be canceled that means ready prime minister benjamin netanyahu said no as did right wing elements said that they would not give in. they would not give in to listin young provocations so the march went to his age when the sirens sounded though it march disbanded but people here came out onto the streets despite these scenes we have to be is mainly prime minister benjamin netanyahu saying that his security forces will continue to act this way and he will not give in all it's very giving to what he calls root elements and extremist elements here in jerusalem now there are signs that the violence which was in the last is escalating and spreading to other areas as you can see behind me the israeli police are firing stun grenades at protesters who

have been throwing bottles and glass at them at the same time the israeli army has brought in reinforcements to the west bank and just yesterday we saw a protest in the northern israeli town of haifa it certainly is spreading beyond jerusalem tonight is the 4th consecutive night that we've witnessed these kinds of 10 scenes. yes. there is some speculation that the violence could be reduced in the next 2 days as ramadan comes to an end but it's hard to tell what will happen if we just turn up here you can see them running and the stun grenades are now being fired the

israeli army and police are screaming and yelling so they say shouting at each other to come in the starvation basically want to clear the area are be the protesters the youngsters that has been here as we noticed the tickets have nice violence here in jerusalem point to syria t.v. jerusalem council for they saw it all from me for today our news coverage continues stick around my colleague recently should be coming in to bring you the latest headlines in just 3 minutes time. the problem with having money printing and also near 0 percent or 0 percent interest rates is that it destroys price signals in the economy because you're

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you should tell me. i'm breaking news this hour here with the international at least 7 children under the tree have been killed in a mass shooting at a school in the russian city of. going to stand at least 16 others have been injured some of them critically ill the shooter has been captured by police. many. people running away and it's time that made the city of atlanta. in the worse tension in years between israel and palestine dozens are killed and scores injured.