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i don't know what the little. i got. the. more i mean here we can you know images we can show you right now were captured by local residents who witnessed pupils leaping out of the windows in an effort to escape and some of them i think jumped from the 3rd floor and unfortunately 2 of them died after receiving severe injuries. and the sound of the explosion and gunshots were heard throughout the quiet a very quiet residential district where the school is located eyewitnesses spoke about how the entire incident unfolded. i saw a broken window and the children began to get out of there the teachers began to quickly take them out of the windows i saw

a boy trying to jump from the 3rd floor but then he climbed back someone else jumped from window i heard shots i don't know 5 or 7 times and then it became quiet and the police began to arrive and they started to climb onto the rooftop. i woke up abruptly from the explosion and the sound of breaking glass from my balcony and so the windows of the school blown out sort children fleeing apparently the teachers began to evacuate them through the windows someone was jumping from one window i also heard the muffled sounds of gunfire i think and traits immediately called the emergency services but it was busy apparently people had already started calling after about 10 minutes police and ambulances started arriving the students get out quickly and ran over to the school fence i heard about 5 to 7 shots then it was quiet and the police were there 2 of them were climbing up to the roof checking to see if the suspect was there after that other emergency services began to arrive then when the emergency services arrived and surrounded the site they began to

evacuate the classrooms people came out in shock stood there and could not do anything they were taken away i saw emergency workers carrying out the wounded on stretchers or the video of the shooter and hearing the school has now emerged online you can see it right here the stand sort of the picture the local investigative committee says it will launch a psychiatric review of the perpetrator as we understand as of yet no actual motive has been established and the police have already question the suspect in another video shot online the attacker claimed he realised he was a god 2 months ago and last summer he started hating everyone around him because he said that a monster i've woken inside of him however he stressed that he had reached that conclusion on his own no one made him think about way. we did hear from the neighbors over the sure to have a listen to this. we met this boy before he's our neighbor and i remember his face

i noticed that he had a very intelligent appearance he was a very tidy i've never seen him heading out with any dubious people he was a very quiet guy and i always saw him all by himself not with friends not with a girl he was a good boy and also always so quiet he also held me in the past with the tassel language i don't know why he became like this i don't know what happened to him i would never have thought it was him is a very good and well mannered family i only had the good at being in of him still but i was just sitting at home and heard some kind of explosion i looked out of the window everyone was running somewhere so i also went outside to look i went up to the school everyone was already carrying the children out everyone was covered in blood then i tried to go back to my house but they wouldn't let me i saw police coming in with dogs. and we discuss the implications of today's tragedy with a number of guest. it differs so much from country to country you know if we look

at the united states in some states you don't need any checks whatsoever before people can buy a firearm. or almost semiautomatic firearms through a supermarket whereas you come to the united kingdom which has got some of the most restrictive firearms laws where you will have background checks criminal record checks and your doctor will be after sign the firearms certificate application to make sure that there are no mental health conditions and you get everything in between exactly what the russian rules are i don't know what the listening to the commentary that's coming out from moscow and from what president putin are saying they have got checks and this and it's making sure that those checks could cover this eventuality however no matter how hard you check you're never going to be able to cover every eventuality what was it that motivated the individual copycat attack possibly but only if the individual was following

what was going on or reading about it and everything else copycat attacks tend to happen within the days weeks and months after a major incident so it's the police will be trying to do the got the individual secure it worked what his motivation was behind carrying out the attack and then trying to identify if there's any way that they could have put mechanisms in place or could still put mechanisms in this to transfer those motivations happening elsewhere and of course they will not be alert for other people potentially copycat attacks in other parts of the russian police counter-terror police or the quick reaction place like this are very highly trained they know that the confusion comes in so they go into a series of drills and then start to look at the information that they've got. you know if you get 3 reports from 3 different people saying they've heard 3 different shooting incidents from 3 different parts of the school lot of money. there's 10

potentially 3 different shooters there until they narrow that information down themselves and they know that this happens and that's part of the way they will approach dealing with the situation and yes it could have an impact on how quickly you can get medical services in it could have an impact on how many police are needed before they'll go on look at potentially assaulting buildings and all the rest of it but one of the 1st things that any security organization will do as it's going in to this is to confirm confirm what's going on clear the area of incidents cordon it off control what's going on and then react to what it is that there are going to get at the assume the worst they'll deal with it in a very professional way as professional as they can and they'll go through a series of drills you'll have practiced this time after time after time and certainly after the best attack in 2004 and the courage attack and 28 team the russian police. and their acquitted of the swat teams that we've seen going in here

we'll have practiced this again and again again against these different scenarios and against other scenarios the theme here frighteningly seems to be schools again you know you don't associate russia with these this type of incident we tend to think more the united states. it was a chance of the one individual in the room but it shows you that. when this incident happened the information comes out and misinformation you know we have to be very careful and i think it's quite right to look at what's inspired this individual to go on. to live and it doesn't matter what the causes of mean if you think it is it that's we look at the core is it political calls was it a religious inspired cause and so on. that legislation globally in defining to terrorism how very very similar legal definitions are those for the investigators who work for bush he certainly of what you do with the 4 people. it was

a he went into school with a goal and just killed school pupils and teachers so it's looking at what is it what was caused a breakdown here with the bill and many. other news to explore as you go because the motive behind this. you know and it's a difficult one i one of the investigations to try and ascertain what they will no doubt do is look at any other time devices or anything in this this individual's possession and try and see what the motives of those are you know because we have that many causes though because this can be had for the investigations which is a european country and there is for us fortunately it's very rare that we see this of the you know that are tighter gun controls with most european states you will always serve fine complete chaos whenever a terrorist attack or an incident like this happens and it's just then a matter of time that you do authorities trying to gain some control you mentioned

earlier about social media and the impact that has of course many years ago you'd never have that problem but now what we have is is more people coming to the scene because they've been told by their sons and daughters that this is going on to protect children and of course that just aids adds to the confusion the more people that come in the more chaos it's caused and the more people they can kill and you know that social media has a number of great benefits but when you've got an ongoing crisis like this what you want people to do is clear out the way and get our way as possible not to add to the confusion and of course become more targets and more people to interfere with the policing operation but schools are continuously being targeted now just a couple of days ago in kabul a school full of young girls who are were were were alone just girls in a school in couple were killed in a terrorist attack so schools really need to make sure that they have the plans in place as well and the more guns you have in a society the more likely you are to have these kind of incidents and of course

we've got an awful lot. people with mental illness of one form or another or they have extreme views and if you give these people guns you've got to expect at some stage of things are going to go wrong so you you know that the less comes in society the safer we all are it is no secret that you go on the internet you can find out what to do and how to do it and this is a this is a problem for all societies and that's why i say before the less guns you know the less likely codes that these sort of incidents are going to take place because of course we have an awful lot of people a with mental illness but also a lot of radicalized individuals as well who might want to go out and what they see is a blaze of glory if it is a radicalized individual it's stubbornness then you know you there is big issues across the world with that so with that problem if it's an individual that's just thrown a walk and decided to kill people then of course yes you could have other people as you call it copycats so policing have to deal with this but i think what should come from this really is to schools colleges universities understand that they have

a you know they have things to do to make sure that their peoples are safe and this campus act yes you can you can bring in security you can you can conduct searches you can do all these things but universities schools and campuses are meant to be meant to be inviting for their people so it's an almost impossible situation to protect and of course then you've got other sites as well that are just as easily you know so so this is a real difficult problem and in my opinion the only way to deal with that is trying to reduce the number of guns but in the meantime people need to have a understanding on how they should react. a little live now to dr gilbert doctorow independent political analyst joining us here live on r.t. international nice to see you today sorry it's under such a dark circumstances another incident in which a school has become a target as a doctor what is what's your reaction to these tragic events today. well you all

have learned simply want a couple hours of the initial discussion of this tragedy and put it in the context of terrorism or what has come else in the religiously each of the jew of. it here to the it after that meeting and not to have a chair was the motive or backing none of us if them raises before us rushes close attention to terrorism because of the general ones that took place in the past going back to the era or was in the game for us wait until it is a certain event the last one just them or we shouldn't carriage or a man who is forgotten today is also reminded of russia's explosion of both because it has a substantial muslim population and because of when it is directly it was quite significant that 2 days ago on the reviewing stand or the mustering of the raid

president putin had only one foreign guest not far and he asked who is the president what home what type of peace not we all know what one of the key reasons for that is what that syria guest was there was because of the role object is done as a. barrier to or on the border with with or going to stand or position usually comes all the most important considering where the we withdraw all of us little forces them so russia resident official watching this is very conscious of terrorism and of susceptibility to or tertian from the organizations of individuals outsiders borders would like to wreak havoc were the only good thing one can say about today's events is that it does not seem to have any relation to such jit little brother threats to russians as. but they still keep happening though these

issues of these mass school shootings we often hear about them in america we've certainly had a few here in russia and in the past several years but i guess part of the question would be what's affecting the youth of today where you have someone to a man a young man 19 years old the 1st year university student his neighbors described him as a studious quiet type what is affecting the younger people today do you think. just an only effect in europe who was also at middle age the. deranged individual. from time to time to perpetrate a. tragedy. not only the one. or the issues or excess ability of weapons the existence of. all the schools are as you know commentators legend

schools or natural target audience of far as though. there's no way that you can completely america. against such so it's not. evil doers so the schools are natural and the only ones. decisive. ages are the secondary activity for this kind but will it take more than just a change of gun laws to stop such events you think well that's of this nature. can be. or. modified they can be a deviated by strict enforcement of groans whenever the united kingdom which was raised earlier in the program isn't a perfect example even absent of firearms age range from the good you all

committed terrorists to create havoc just a just war with oneness so the possibility of completely excluding or completely safeguard the general public from such madness and such acts of terrorism is very strictly limited they will always to us whatever we do know whether it doesn't prevent us from taking one so proportions if the russians of the excellent job in limitation on the spread of weapons and i think that in the coming period when they're concerned about possible infiltrations once or southern once the. neighboring relatively speaking they're doing it once i think there will be it eternity to 2 weapons. now we've been showing footage here analyse international mr doctorow about showing her parents rushing into the school when they heard an explosion they heard some some gunshots they didn't know what was going on at the time. it's

a very very difficult position not just for the parents but for the children as well when you think about a shooting such as this it happened so quickly in less than an hour all this carnage occurs and yet for the children who were there at the school who survived this mass shooting it will live on in their minds for the rest of their lives don't you think or just drawn occasional. want to watch. children or more usual needs. just. watches or their experience. it's sad to see them. or wind in or jump in. with the trauma changed or. now we understand this shooter 19 years old he went through the full assessment he went through through all these

exams and investigations from the authorities to to understand is this is this 19 year old deserving of a lethal weapon such as this and he passed all the tests g.g. you think there's some sort of loophole in the assessment of an individual who was applying for a license to get a weapon like this some sort of a loophole that enables someone like this a quiet studious type to get his hands on such a lethal weapon and to create such can. there is no all. or psychological war says he is giving one change sure if you watch mad men has a baby. there always will be such that. they are worth more news look at the project regime while still years by trade is that your. if they have to. control or there will always want to take more or.

wants and watch making the regulations reputation or the raptors. so that it works. which is asian or none of us or shins of the rational war or people such incidents on. which is very diverse. and so they are subject to things were lost in europe to change among individuals from various minority groups particularly germany who are their homes or personal social injury or war there is one unavoidable or you can do you want to war. well i want to ask you about are about the parents about the parents in the situation here obviously your we are talking about the number of dead in the number of injured so far and there are going to be some extremely distraught and

traumatized parents deeply affected by this and there is going to be some of them at least are going to going to be looking to apportion some blame some where and apart from this shooter going on the rampage mr doctorow is there any other place where a bereaved parent can place the blame for something like this being in essence allowed to happen today. well history. or world in action the unification of oration or in the creation. and if we can even. imagine what if. she just inches from. religious or ethnic or motivation. or arrogance. when it's harder or or or. or anger it

was this particular war. in the war room individual range person and so the only thing. judy is the parents is effective in picking ministration. more. projects who understand or mediate the. what about alleviating their worries and concerns for the future g.g. do you think mr doctorow that the school in question now will will implement tougher security to make it harder for anyone with with such intentions to get into the school because now there are going to be parents who is going to be saying well you know i don't want my olga or my alexander to stay at a school which has been well subjected to this to this carnage today. all we needed states. where it was all more serious. against country war

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international we appreciate your time thank you very much like engine thank you and . i thank you for joining us here on our international a quick recap now of our breaking news from the russian city of cazan at least 9 people including 7 children and one teacher have been killed 16 others injured in a mass shooting at a school that's according to the press service off the top start republic of course cousin is the capital city is located around 800 kilometers east of moscow where the suspect has been arrested it's a 19 year old former pupil the boy who according to reports had legally registered the gun in his name here on r.t. international and of course r.t. dot com we will keep you posted on this very fluid breaking news situation here on this channel we'll have more for you in just about 3 and a half minutes. but

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day or thinks. we dare to ask. you should tell me. breaking news this hour here on aussie international at least 9 people including 7 children have been killed in a mass shooting at a school in the russian city of. at least 21 of those have been injured some of them critically while the shooter has been captured by police a feeling that i knew it i don't know what is below 0000000000000000000000 i don't think the president was a 19 year old suspect used a registered gun having received his license just weeks ago investigators will be conducting a psychiatric assessment while neighbors say they would never have expected anything like this you had.