i'm after accounting here watching a brand new season of going underground as reports of hundreds of palestinians killed or wounded from jerusalem to gaza reach a london and washington mandating hundreds of millions of dollars of military sales to his rail in but who will talk to the former director of britain's opposition labor party about electoral defeat and zionism post corbin amidst the opening of parliament here but now let's go straight to jerusalem to speak to the leader of palestine party dr mustafa barghouti thank you so much worse of a for coming on 1st of all your take on the events of the past 72 out. well it's a very. happy you issue have to leave because we have seen still issues should . we have seen exchanges between as are. the people in gaza

what sort of there is a substantial number of palestinians been. children and one of their children was this 'd is this is he was killed under this mother was cute and the most of that outside happy that used civilian areas is there eat leaves turkey houses more than most people. well israel says it is targeting its war plane the aerial bombardment of communists of gaza and sent a using the rubber coated steel bullets and he's merely responding as you as you know to hamas rocket fire what do you think about the fact that britain has arming israel to the tune of maybe half a $1000000000.00 worth of weapons think the queen's speech in the past 24 hours she said the government will uphold democracy and human rights what do you think of british arms sales to israel is

a serious violation of international law that silly in. a country that by. the israeli military occupation has lasted 6040 years already at least that is not to count the 74 years its new clues that happened palestine. actually was the conditions provided by the dish mandate at the time clinician so britain has a responsibility for the palestinian suffering and it is unacceptable that the support that this with the military. that he supports when they they all support it with words i shot the foreign secretary nominee crabbe said they condemn the rocket attacks by palestinians from gaza and that that is the real issue. there is not a balance position here because what you see is them they are ignoring the problem

here and that would problems that israel is paying us in 64 years and more of them that israel has transformed this occupation little assistance racial discrimination and a part time according to human rights work choices i hate it is fact that human rights and these issues and even israeli the moderates and the resistant itself and they're more serious is that has established a system of racial discrimination and which is considered by international who as a war crime and not only don't that israel has established a system of the seclusion which is also another. criminal act sought to in my open you supported as a and with ponds and staying sane and some of their crimes that it is a mix of them and to me also remind you that you don't the last month what we have is saying i don't have to people who are trying to put me in the mosques some myself africa as well as those soldiers that they have tax people for noise or that

i believe in them out of the most difficulty to go sponsor inside the mosque they use metallic lever cords of bullets which have caused order to so many in your book and the other wasn't available in the people from their homes and the sure he survived. and by a lawyer this will be the 2nd time people out its nuclear cleansed from their homes because these syrian people were is nuclear by israel in the. well britain says it has a robust townhomes export policy has regard perhaps any british politics we use it has for what you witnessed off gandelman and then he had his spokesperson said extremist palestinians planned well in advance to carry out riots at the l.x. mosque. well well. i was there a little extremist for israeli official line that if i was in you see that at the

excuse of it this is a system which the only look at that is where these illegal israeli settlers who are settling according to the national league. and who are trying to cause the consulate give illegal alex alex issue the ok by piece to lose a limb and they are the ones who are that side was good sense people were just in play in fent well in fairness to britain the united states and france from the european union they all signed up to those un resolutions that is the context you referred to we saw pictures as well as the horrific video emerging on social media of palestinian youths throwing rocks against the the arms supplied by western countries isn't the fault of all of this the failure of the palestinian leadership mahmoud abbas is called off elections he's technically

a dictator look his role as democracy that's what the western president ling us these clashes that we see the use the word clashes here in nato nation media this is the fault of mahmoud abbas and. well listen i am not in love city i am leader of an opposition democratic party and we object to mr ambassador cancelling the elections but the argument that mr ambassador was providing bogus which declared that it will not allow palestinians to have elections and he still isn't and is denying us that i thought were going to use the market forces into those and we all know the new well know where or how you know york i know you are you know people saying you will cross the electoral threshold if there were elections but you can organize some kind of election you can use a mobile phone or some other method of doing you don't count on the elections we know. that's our point we said. that our bus was discussing

it we said we should not i but with israelis do we should challenge and conduct elections in east jerusalem without the us by nicking their elections inside was only an act of nonviolent resistance and the even provided a full plan was distributed $160.00 and so this isn't new boots and so on do each books will come in a sort of the whole world will see those of those soldiers they haven't purchased and use them casting their votes i think we could have done it and the fact that it was an imposed on you would have shown fantastic model of peaceful nonviolent resistance is a proof that we could conduct elections even without as there. i mean isn't the point that the violence we have seen is in part then because of the palestinian authority the youth of palestine feel that there is no alternative. literally

between a rock the dome of the rock and hard place they can't they can't vote for as is rumored hamas and so on was expected to democratically win again certainly in gaza. well certainly in gaza only opinion polls show a must win. not according to all the results in the previous elections have found where i am as were the majority of seats in that have come in good actions all polls have shown the new house not effect that will be able to get them as an e.q. of the seats as a matter of fact there will be many groups like us local herbalist a new national initiative who would be a force inside the council and there will be a democratic bloc that will house and such which is really useful and that hansie and that will create a system of law to listen and that's exactly what we that's exactly what we want but to get to that point we need to find out we are stopping this is there you have

texan people in the loser we need to find oh we are stopping this israeli violence that is practiced by armed soldiers and is he's peaceful and. civilians i don't think anybody in the world can clean up we don't have that i have to protest against occupation or else the system of social discrimination and update but if we lose all those are those good gloomy love the other victims and in my opinion the world has to stand up to its sponsibility and stab soon too as there is nothing you cannot be in punitive the international law and israel cannot be allowed to be of international it has to be a count of the like it is the other currency look look at any other country in the war look if there were only a democratic ads or in practice violence that is the population you will see sanctions taken place in having a seat and yes clearly against russia gets china but when it comes to israel nobody

gets the bills so why has he said there is no democracy in the heard of our example a stone had high her and israel claims that it always targeting military targets presumably not when it was attacking the worshippers of the al aqsa mosque. kettler fatah and hamas not jointly hold a press conference come out there and back rocket attacks from gaza on military targets because as far as i've seen from the video footage the rockets fired from gaza are not attacking military targets they're heading straight into the occupied territories or settlers homes well i don't have a full detail of how many looked at still where there was a root problem which solves ingles which will solve all the problems and stop this is coalition would be that is the. issue and i'll be honest uselessly they are all defendants the palestinians have accepted

a very painful compromise of having us here only 22 percent of the palestinians. yet israel is not doing that and israel is killing the chances for peace it really . what is just who is fully here is either is there a will allow us to stoop of our own and the 2 state solution as the world speaks or we should be allowed to live in one state was full democracy corrects to tell you it's do you have to choose either one solution or another but one thing they should know and the world that we as people will never accept to be slaves of the patient and updates. while as you know nato nation media certainly doesn't countenance a one state solution where. where a palestinian christians and muslims and israeli jews can all live together just one final question as the carnage appears to continue in gaza have

joined this coronavirus pandemic israel has obviously been bombing syria as well and there was an attack by syria and legibly near the dimona nuclear plant israel denies it has you clear weapons well what do you make of the why did ages in the middle east could could we see a nuclear. explosion in your region given the given the sharp increase in in conflict. i don't know but everybody knows that is there is like says that there's an hour we must have maybe more of them on the clearance but. who sues those who don't get action but talking about schools and. unfortunately that's why this is a city of almost the whole issue. of solution. more duty as an occupying power and they deny us the night to have the scenes so

practically clear that what i call milliken are part and the result of that is that in the west bank 750000. receipt of c. and point 1000000 pounds to be used. and that's why you shouldn't do it. while it was. the 1st listen but israel says it is being fair when it comes to vaccinations some palestinians have been vaccinated nokomis of a gritty thank you after the break the electrically failing british labor party's problem with palestine the poor and the dispossessed. they've been saying now for years and all this money printing would cause a place where we don't really see it at the level of the c.p.i. consumer price index well because the c.p.i.

doesn't reflect the actual prices of stuff that people you stay typically quote prices are stuff that people don't use and they don't include housing or health care her education for example. they now work for a while but now it's really hard to hide the fact that the money printing is causing a lot of inflation as new would expect sell now the big question is do we take the word of a cycle banco a saying that it's transitory and that this is a sugar high and that things are not going to last in this way or do we. i think that this might be a structural beginning. it's a story period possibly a period of stagflation because the economy could be stagnant.

welcome back it was perhaps to be expected that the electorally failing british labor party should not call any press conferences about the mass killing of palestinians in the past 72 hours given its leaders are linked to donations from those who support israel the new novel by the party's director of strategy under german corbin suggests there are members who disagree with the new party line it's a good start steve howe whose new thriller collateral damage deals with the secret state joins me now from well school in the u.k. thanks so much steve for coming back on we just spoke to mr for barghouti the protagonist of your new novel a palestinian i know they're talking here in britain is about the queen's speech and elections failing for the for the labor party i mean the given in this thriller is sympathies should be with the palestinians how do you see the context of this novel in terms of labor policy which is to well the shadow foreign secretary saying it's anti semitic to condemn israeli atrocities. well there was

some music criticism from len david yesterday senator nothing it's the usual sort of even handed we must end the violence of israel must do something about this kind of thing because labor policy as it is for a long history really defined his logic for us to be imposing sanctions on some countries not imposing sanctions on israel when they clearly in breach of international law they don't get behind the palestinian territories illegally says 19 $67.00 the west bank gaza or east you go and and that's the fundamental roots of the whole thing. yes research we like to see the labor party being much more clear in what he says and how cracks how can they i mean starmer in fairness did tweet something about it how can they have their bankrolled by repeated

israel lobby with and. and in fact the gears cameron is a campaign to be leader of the labor but he refused to tell the b.b. thing where the money was coming from it we now know it was from people who are sympathetic to israel which of course that it is for the present. yes not as the founding of his leadership kind of guy he did a lot of that serious leadership can i relate to for example his 10 trenches so there's no reason why now that he's a leader he should free him self from. any promises he's made to people who support this country because he's not kept really any of the promises to the membership that he made. certain he should he should act on. principle of the principle of the say is that israel is in breach of its national will east jerusalem is illegally occupied east hostilities shouldn't be that they exist and it israel should we

through from jerusalem period ok well. i presume labor still supports that as you say it is policy but tell me about collateral damage i. mean female character i asked writing about the 1980 s. i but it does have. it does have echoes perhaps in the queen's speech here because of the continuing covert action intelligence sources bill going through parliament which initially stomach wanted to abstain. yes i mean brooke i don't still she was really returns this is a story of a of activists who come up against the british states and the british foreign office to securely and a stance with excessive night state he said and as he stated precisely this is alice in ian han and has been sending a conference in tripoli on the 1st anniversary of the us army of trickery and

986 and and he's on ice and he's found dead on the beach and she goes to tripoli raise with a solicitor who's a friend of the friends and they try to get the consul when they get there they find that the death hasn't been probably investigated the libyan authorities are huge embarrassed about the whole thing because this was events where they revised peace activists to support and simple them in the face of the u.s. attack and the foreign office is and form of his representatives and he's busy trying to come. about i sure is suspicious that on a city heresy you mention is suspicious. of a a sort of this cover up and when they go to and they find themselves throughout it at every turn and in trying to get citizen of this it has the it has more recent

relevance obviously because boris johnson. of david cameron who bombed libya destroying what was once africa's richest. country i mean if you give in the book to. i don't know the new challenge of the rachel reeves who accused by some of speaking cia talking points on venezuela although in fairness they were didn't support the bombing of libya. yeah well i mean they did the the whole regime change war policy really in my day and in terms of the middle east at least i mean not in america is another matter gundotra landay and i'm not sure they're not this is that in terms of the middle east i think you can trace the regime change change strategy of the united states to the 19860 he of libya which was. the 1st time u.s.

pomus had taken off from britain to bomb i and our country and. in fact it's the 1st time they've taken off from british air bases in combat since the end of the 2nd world war so you have strikes in 1000 a 6 were and i sent regime change they were drafted sent to assassinate gadhafi i meant that there were 987 through the event that the book now uses as a premise the conference that. my character goes to an end ends up dead and vice chairman states die while i was then in and some mysterious accident or something no one's ever got the balls and the time now mind my stories that it sends to the mind of reconstructs walks that was all about it he's just using us as a premise to to the end and i think if you take another story

a purely invented story food but i went to gadhafi compound in 1987 and it had been heavily bombed and so this was an assassination and in the bond other parts of tripoli and killed lots of civilians but it was it was primarily that sense assassinated laughing and since lighting a sentence was we seeing a succession of regime change wools with iraq and and with and then ultimately also going back to libya in polling. only country to. country or i'm sure all the commanders and all the aryan race is now used by the united states here would say you know the assassination is not occurring because of planes flown from britain these days i mean cite you know that peter mandelson tony blair as a concierge repeatedly been advising sickie as dumb the reason failure is labor's elections people have said it's because of the kind of thing you're telling me now

about foreign policy that is alienating the working class voters of the north here we've had deborah battens and scarce thomas new director of strategy or replacement as director of strategy when you were of course with coleman you got it to within 2000 votes of jericho and becoming prime minister what would you say to deborah balance and by the relevance of foreign policy ideas when it comes to the labor party trying to win power. i do think this is the general that they you can trace neighbors natural problems in service the country particularly the noles of the union back to the early the early to thousands and they recently connected and to to to to iraq and to other things than going on i mean i don't think it's just to do with iraq it was also to do with other policy policies that would dispute and encouraging outsourcing privatization and not

investing and publicly using public investment to help those pass a country or recover from the saturday years so there were a whole number of factors but i don't think there's any down that the regime change rules for the answer because you can see that in the fact you can see that in the fact that neither france for example you know jumped on an underwriting of of opposing regime change was a noun highly cynical about it because of who he is or what he stands for and his regions that ultra us are nonetheless advantage if an assault from perth foreign interventions as well. a valid especially in the united states because of course thousands of people's innocence of young americans went over there in science and there was this you know there was this mismatch between the sense in the east distant countries and to fight wars that they didn't really believe and then coming home to find their infrastructure in their economy in you know midwestern rust belt

states. was was a resolute jobs for certain and here we didn't have a crazy night stream way but we certainly had hundreds of people dying in these regime change and then they come home and find the the country back here is not offering an jokes an opportunity ok much better course of the written and less of a contradiction we have a britain's largest many factories b.a. systems and the israelis may well be using the a systems component right now to bomb palace vein in the novel the activist don't seem to realize that there are jobs in killing and we should or they start his top advisers are former private healthcare lobbyist if they were to the right of birth johnson. it's like it's a right once it certainly hasn't happened it hasn't found any in how

it will actually it and hasn't found any thing to say. not particularly not secure election because it's of the left because it's a very much it's all related labor policy as a cause is unquestionably asked for all of the jurors in terms of the policies that we have as accounts. just a moment it's not talking about any of the labor party polls because he hasn't had a conference yet to reverse that so you know you can't say sic that are directly contradictory decisions that they labor party's agrees as is obvious answers will be interesting to see what he says the next 3 weeks is he says he's going to unveil his agenda but he's got a lot of his agenda i suspect it's going to be years olds with all those means he's going to have to go to a conference and actually reversed posts which i think he's going to find rather difficult to do the thing the lines the reforms on the edges of after

a covert perhaps ok we're just. finally when you came within a heartbeat of putting jeremy corbyn in downing street the 2000 vote you did the labor policy of id cards because it was a cause of labor to have id cards for everyone. in the context of the new normal do you want drama not only to oppose the reputed photo id voting system the don't want to bring in let alone to much more strenuously and muscularly oppose spy cops bills that they're bringing in here i should say of course the government has brought in a bill which allows rape and murder by the thick resurfaces in the further international security. yes well i mean the dislike of still if you refer to should be at completely opposed to particularly the cool thing in it which is this idea of

giving police officers it when they're working undercover immunity from prosecution regardless of what they do i mean our i mean this is not so that wouldn't solve the fun that place offices when you're operating undercover actually access actual provoke exams and this is now coming out in the undercover policing inquiry they they do things that you know they they they actually courage and heinous to do things and do things and sends the wrong lawful in order to discredit those particular campaigns that was the not of course you know they cannot relationships with women under false pretenses which arguably. you know can be regarded as as as right because consent is being given on the false premise mostar isn't isn't posting it and it's real as i see counseling the evidence is that in the use of frontal id for elections is from history this is going to be

a very interesting political act and i think there's every chance of defeating it on grounds of racial discrimination. thank you can laugh about it is out now and after the show will be back on saturday will not quit day the day walking catastrophe of about civilians when 700000 were forced to flee like israel until then watch any of our interviews. and following the for the losses will be. the world is driven by shaped by. the day or thinks. we dare to ask.

the all. the deadly conflict between israel and palestinian militants shows no sign of letting the mosque in the i.d.f. exchanging as strong as confrontations continue on the ground. also ahead is a day of mourning in the russian republic of towns a stand off to its capital was left reeling from a devastating school shooting that killed at least 9 people including 7 children and left more than 20 others injured. and with a guy who ran into that classroom and started shooting people sort of teacher covered in blood getting pulled out of school.