the events of the past 72 out really it's a very. happy situation actually because we have seen still issue. we have seen exchanges of the lizard. people in gaza but certainly that is. substantial number of palestinians include children and one of their children this is this is he was killed on his mother was cute and most of the attacks not happy news civilly and it is very pleasing houses normal people well israel says it is targeting its warplane the aerial bombardment of communists of gaza and he's in the rubber coated steel bullets and he's merely responding as he has you know to hamas rocket fire what do you think about the fact that britain is arming israel to the tune of maybe half

a $1000000000.00 worth of weapons think the queen's speech in the past 24 hours she said the government will uphold democracy and human rights what do you think of british arms sales to his row. it's a serious violation of international law that the syrian military equipment to a country that is occupying another country the israeli military occupation has lasted for 24 years already against palestinians not to count the 74 seventh's the as though it's new clues in that what happened in palestine actually was the conditions provided by the dismantling of the time constant inclusion so britain has a responsibility for and the palestinian suffering and it is unacceptable that the supporting the agnus that with the military and military support well they also

border with words i share their foreign secretary on a crab said and they condemn the attacks by palestinians from gaza and that that is the real issue. that is not a valid position here because what you see is that they are ignoring the problem you have and the problems that israel is occupying us in 60 fortieth's and more of them that israel has transformed this occupation littler system with racial discrimination and a part time according to human rights word choices i had a district that human rights organization and even israeli human rights of the resistant itself and they were syrian of theirs that has established a system of racial discrimination and which is considered by international who as a war crime and not only don't that israel has established a system of persecution which is also another of. criminal act saw in my open you supported as are and were pons and staying silent some of their

crimes that the next of them and to me also remind you that you would in the last months what we have is the only item you have taken people who are trained to carry in the mosques you analysis on the scale my sense of it was well known as those ones as the yeah attack people for no reason that i believe in them out of the mosque there is little tear gas bombs inside the mosque they use metallic whatever quarter bullets which have caused order to sell millions of books and it was sort of a political people from their homes and the sherpas of a hit area and by a lawyer this will be the 2nd time people out its nuclear clones them their homes because these syrian people were is nuclear by israel in 1988 well britain says it has a robust townhomes export policy has regard for happening any british politics we use it has for what you witnessed off again domino netanyahu spoke wasn't an

extremist palestinians planned well in advance to carry out riots at the l.x. a mosque. well well. i was there a little 64 israeli official live but if i was in you see that at the store that mixed up of the group that this is a racist up roots in the only help of the papers where these illegal israeli settlers who are settling according to the national who illegally. and who are trying to close the consulate get their illegal alex alex issued by piece to the limb and yeah you know and that. was good sense people were just playing in fairly well in fairness to britain the united states and france from the european union they all signed up to those u.n. resolutions that is the context to refer to we saw pictures as well as the horrific

video emerging on social media all of palestinian youths throwing rocks against the the arms supplied by western countries isn't the fault of all of this the failure of the palestinian leadership moment of us called off elections he's technically a dictator look israel has democracy that's what the western president lingers these clashes that we see the use the word clashes here in nato nation media this is the fault of mahmoud abbas and. well listen i am not in love city i am leader of the opposition democratic party and we object to the tunes that i am best decision of cancelling the elections but the argument mr ambassador was provided by which the clear that it will not allow the listing used to have elections and used them and is denying us that i thought again as the market forces

into this and we all know the new. york i know you are you know people are saying you will cross the electoral threshold if there were elections with you can organize some kind of election you can use mobile phones or some other method of doing you don't count on the elections we know. and that's precisely our point we said. that outburst was discussing that we said we should not i but with the israelis do we should challenge and conduct elections in is theirs alone without the us by nicking their elections inside was only an act of nonviolent resistance and the even provided a full plan was distributed $165.00 and say this i don't know but hoods and so on do each box with superman kind of sort of the whole world would see those of those soldiers they haven't but just use them casting their votes i think we could have done it and the fact that it was an imposed on you would have shown fantastic model of peaceful nonviolent resistance is

a proof that we could conduct elections even without as there you know. i mean isn't the point that the violence we have seen is in part then because of the palestinian authority the youth of palestine feel that there is no alternative. literally between a rock the dome of the rock and hard place they can't they can't vote for as is room and hamas and so on was expected to democratically win a game certainly in gaza. but certainly in gaza only opinion polls show obama would win. not according to all the results in the previous elections have and where i am asked the majority of seats in that have coming elections all polls have shown that new house not a factor will be able to get them as a beauty of the seats as a matter of fact there will be many hoops no kos local herbalist in your national

initiative who will get votes and so the council and there will be a democratic block between hamas and fatah which is only useful and that hansie and that will create a system of law to listen and that's exactly what we are that's exactly what we want but to get to that point we need to find out we'll stop do this is there you have tax and people in the loser we need to say no we are stopping this israeli violence that is practiced by armed soldiers against peaceful and peaceful and. civilians and i don't think anybody in the world can clear that we don't have that act of protest against occupation or against the system of social discrimination and update but if we will solve those are those keep gloomy love the out of victims and in my opinion the world has to stand up to its sponsibility and stab soon too as there is nothing you cannot be in punitive to international law and israel cannot be allowed to be above international it has to be

a count of the like it is the other county look look at any other country in the war look if there are only a democratic debates or a practice well as it is that will be lucia you will see sanctions you can let us in have you see it and you have squarely against russia gets china but when it comes to israel nobody decibels so why has it there is no democracy in has heard about a imbalance then have high her and israel claims that it always targeting military targets presumably not when it was attacking the washers of the al aqsa mosque. kettler fattah and hamas not jointly hold a press conference come out there and back rocket attacks from gaza on military targets because as far as i've seen from the video footage the rockets fired from gaza are not attacking military targets they're heading straight into the occupied territories or settlers homes well i don't have

a full detail of how many looked at so who were there who problem which solves ingles which will solve all the problems and stop this is coalition would be that is the. issue and i'll post uselessly there all dependent state palestinians have accepted a very painful compromise of having yes the only 22 percent of the palestinians. yet israel is not doing that and israel is killing the chances for peace. what is what is do is fully it is either is there will allow us the state of our. 2 state solution as the world speaks or we should be allowed to live in munster it was full democratic rights to tell you it's you have to choose one solution or another but one thing they should know and the world. as well as the new people will never accept to be slaves. as you know nato nation media

certainly doesn't countenance a one state solution where. where a palestinian christians and muslims and israeli jews can all live together just one final question as the carnage appears to continue in gaza. during this coronavirus pandemic israel has obviously been bombing syria as well and there was an attack by syria allegedly near the dimona nuclear plant israel denies it has do clear weapons what do you make of the why did the engines in the middle east could could we see a nuclear. explosion in your region given the given the shop increase in in conflict. i hope not but everybody knows that is there it is like says that it doesn't have the power we must do or that they have been one of them on that clear it's but. who sues those who are in their direction

but talking about schools and 19 by the leader unfortunately it is that's why this is a man who's diversity of almost the whole issue eligibles of solution completely ignore their duty as an occupying power and deny us the night to have the proceeds so practically created will have equal milliken up our time and the result of that is that in the west bank $750000.00 either so that he sees the sea and city point 1000000 palestinians. now and that's why usually though it does as well as it is it's the best. israel says that it is being fair when it comes to vaccinations some palestinians have been vaccinated doctor must have a pretty thank you after the break the electric failing british labor party's problem with palestine the poor and the dispossessed.

for years and all this money. but we didn't really see it at the level of the c.p.i. consumer price index well because the c.p.i. doesn't reflect the actual prices of stuff the people you state typically quote

prices of stuff that people don't use and they don't include housing or care or education for example. and that worked for a while but it's really hard to hide the fact that the money printing is causing a lot of inflation as you would expect the big question is do we take the word. transitory and that this is sugar and that things are. this way or do we think that this might be a structural beginning. period possibly a period of stagflation because the economy could be stagnant. welcome back it was perhaps to be expected that the electorally failing british labor party should not call any press conferences about the mass killing of palestinians in the past 72 hours given its lead is a link to donations from those who support israel then you know who by the parties

director of strategy on the german cool been suggests they're all members who disagree with the new party lines because stoma steve howe whose new thriller collateral damage deals with the secret state joins me now from welshpool in the u.k. thanks so much steve for coming back on we just spoke to mr for. the protagonist of your new novel a palestinian i knew the talk here in britain is about the queen's speech and elections failing for the for the labor party i mean the given in this thriller is sympathies should be with the palestinians how do you see the context of this noble in terms of labor policy which is to well the shadow foreign secretary saying it's anti semitic to condemn israeli atrocities. well there was some music criticism from len david yesterday senator nothing it's the usual sort of even handed we must end the violence of israel must do something about this kind of

thing because labor's policy as it is for not restrained really defined is logic for us today imposing sanctions on some countries not imposing sanctions on israel when they clearly in breach of international law they don't get behind the palestinian territories legally society 67 the west bank gaza research. and and that's the fundamental roots of the whole thing and yes research we like to see the labor party being much more clear in what he says and how pat how can they i mean stammer in fairness to tweet something about about how can they have their bankrolled by repeated israel lobby with and. and in fact the his nominee is campaign to be leader of the labor body refused to tell the b.b. thing where the money was coming from it we now know it was from people who are sympathetic

to israel which of course says it's a mouthful the president violent. yes not as the founding of his leadership kind of guy he did a lot of securing his leadership can i see now and we nato for example has 10 trenches so there's no reason why now that he's a leader he should be free in self from. any promises he's made to people who support this company because he's not kept really any of the promises to the membership that he made. certain he should he should act on on the principle of the principle of the say is that israel has it reached its national will east jerusalem is illegally occupied hostilities shouldn't be if they exist and if we through from recent jerusalem period ok well. i presume labor still supports that as you say it is is policy tell me about collateral damage i. mean female

character i asked writing about the 1980 s. and but it does have. it does have echoes perhaps in the queen's speech here because of the continuing covert action intelligence sources bill going through parliament which initially star wanted to abstain. yes i mean brooke i don't see much she was really returns this is a story of an eye of activists who come up against the british state and the british foreign office to securely and a stance with a sense of not state he said and as he say to chris i can this is alice to me and. tom has been sending a conference in tripoli on the 1st anniversary of the us army of tripoli and $986.00 and and he's on ice and he's found dead on the beach and she goes to tripoli with with a solicitor who's a friend of the friends and they try to get the consul when they get it and they

find that the death hasn't been properly investigated the libyan authorities are huge embarrassed about the whole thing because this was events where they revised the peace activists to support them and simple them in the face of the u.s. attack and the foreign office is and from of his representatives and he's busy trying to come. about i sure is suspicious that on a city heresy you mention is suspicious. of i have heard of this coverage and when they come out actual and they find themselves throughout it at every turn and in trying to get that listen of this it has the it has more recent relevance obviously because boris johnson. of david cameron who bombed libya destroying what was once africa's richest. country i've given the book to. i don't

know the news coverage of the rachel reeves who accused by some of speaking cia talking points on venezuela although in fairness they were didn't support the bombing of libya. yeah well i mean they did the the whole regime change war policy really iranian in terms of the middle east at least i mean not in america is another matter gargantuan then i'm not sure they're not but is that in terms of the middle east i think you can trace the regime change strategy of the united states to the 1986 omi of libya which was. the 1st time u.s. owners had taken off from britain to bomb i and our country and. in fact is the 1st time they've taken off from british air bases in combat since the end of the 2nd world war so yes strikes in 986 were an extensive regime

change they were directed sent to assassinate gadhafi i'm into that era $987.00 for the event that the book now uses as a premise the conference. that my character goes to an end ends up dead and vice chair in the state so i while i was then some serious accident or something nobody's ever got the balls and the time now mind my stories that it's had. a mind of reconstruct walks that was all about it he's just using us as a premise to to the end and i think if you take another story purely invented story food and i went to get an office 'd compound in 1987 and it had been heavily bombed and so this was an assassination and in a bond other parts of tripoli and killed lots of civilians but it was it was

primarily that sense assassinate gadhafi and since lighting a sentence was we seeing a succession of regime change wolf with iraq and and with and then ultimately also going back to libya and combing. only country to. country i'm sure all the commanders and all the aryan race is now used by the united states he would say you know the assassination is not occurring because of planes flown from britain these days i mean cite you know that peter mandelson tony blair as a concierge repeatedly been advising sickie as dumb then reason failure to labor's elections people have said it's because of the kind of thing you're telling me now about foreign policy that is alienating the working class voters of the north here we've had deborah battens and scarce thomas new director of strategy your replacement as director of strategy when you were of course with corbin you got it

to within 2000 votes of jeremy coburn becoming prime minister what would you say to deborah madden's and by the relevance of foreign policy ideas when it comes to the labor party trying to win power. i do think this is a huge amount that they you can trace neighbors and natural problems in certain parts the country can see clearly the knolls of the indian box to the early era to thousands and they were certainly connected and to to to iraq and to other things than going on i mean i don't think it's just to do with iraq it was also to do with other policy policies that were pursued encouraging outsourcing privatization and not investing and publicly using public investment to help those pass a country or recover from the saturday years so there were a whole number of factors but i don't think there's any down that the regime change

rules for the answer because you can see that in the fact you can see that in the fact that neither france for example and you know gentlemen underwriting of of opposing regime change was a noun highly cynical about because of who he is or what he stands for and his regions that ultra us nonetheless advantage if an adult from perth foreign interventions as well. of our the special united states because of course thousands of people citizens of young americans went over there in time and there was this you know there was this mismatch between being sense at least distant countries as a fight who they didn't really believe and then coming home to find their infrastructure and their economy in you know midwestern rust belt states. was it was a resolute jobs for certain and here we didn't have a crazy night stream way but we certainly had hundreds of people dying in these

regime change and then they come home and find that the the country back here is not offering and johnson opportunities ok much better course of the britons as a contradiction that we have a britain's largest manufactories be a systems and that the israelis may well be using be a systems component right now to bomb palestine in the normal the activist don't seem to realize that there are jobs in killing and we should or the taste of home is a top adviser for private health care lobbyist if they were to the right of boris johnson . like it's a right well certainly has found it hasn't found any in how it will it and hasn't found any thing to say. it's not particularly not secure election that consists of the left portions because it's a very much it's all. labor policy as a concept is on question asked are all of the jurors in terms of the policies

that we have as a council. just a moment it's not talking about any of the labor party polls because he hasn't had a conference yet to reverse that so he knows he can't say sic the directly contradictory decisions they like because he's agrees it's obvious and this is really interesting to see what he says the next 3 weeks is he says he's going to on time his agenda but he's got a lot of his agenda i suspect it's going to be as old as without cause it's not means he's going to have to go to a conference and actually reversed posts which i think is going to find rather difficult to do their thing the lives they were formed on the edges of after a covert perhaps ok with just finally when you came within a heartbeat of putting jeremy corbyn in downing street the 2000 vote you did the

labor policy of id cards because it was a cause of labor to have id cards for everyone. in the context of the new normal you want your terminology to oppose the reputed photo id voting system the don't want to bring in let alone to much more strenuously and muscularly oppose spy cops bills that they're bringing in here i should say of course the government has brought in a bill which allows rape and murder by the thick resurfaces in the further international security. yes really does dislike and still it you refer to should be at completely opposed to particularly the cool thing in it which is this idea of giving police officers it when they're working undercover immunity from prosecution regardless of what they did a month ago i mean this is not evidence of the fact that police officers when they're operating under cover actually acts as actual provoking turns and this is

now coming out in the undercover placing inquiry that they they do things that you know they they they actually courage and heinous to do things and do things and sense their own lawful in order to discredit those particular campaigns that was the not of course you know they cannot relationships with women under false pretenses which arguably. you know can be regarded as as as right because consent is being given on the false premise mostar isn't isn't housing it and it's real as i see counseling the evidence is that in the use of frontal id for elections is this from history this is going to be a very interesting political act and i think there's every chance of defeating it on grounds of racial discrimination. well thank you collateral damage is out of the show will be. catastrophe for both unions when 700000 were forced to flee like

israel and over. the years but for a while before that for the us will be. americans of. this was a fundamental part of how our political leadership and our country at large understood the bargain you get a hope and then you know rebel right as the things you don't revolt if you have a stake in the system. be really interesting to dial it back and think about the longer deeper history housings man in the united states not just that question of the american dream the bigger question if you dream is for.

'd israeli warplanes bombed gaza as palestinian militants fired. rockets into israel the u.n. says the conflict is sliding into all out war with $48.00 palestinians and 5 israelis killed. also ahead for you in this program it's a day of mourning in the russian republic. reeling from a school shooting that killed at least 9 people including 7 kids. ran into the classroom and started shooting people covered in blood.