turns artsy america will be there to find our. hey folks next up on dennis miller plus one we're going to talk to kate mulgrew she said a couple nice and new to gigs over the years captain janeway on star trek voyager then over to orange is the new black has a new thing now called mr mercedes that i'm less acquainted with it streams on the peak of network show and valid to us right after this kate mulgrew and dennis miller plus what. it's. like folks welcome to dennis miller plus one nice to welcome kate mulgrew to the show she is best known of course as cate mom but then again having said that captain change red resident cop she starts out as mary ryan as

a mirror type gotham and those 3 months lead to some interesting street scenes with fans because people so heavily i.d.d. with the star trek character it's orange or the new black has its new double taze and of course the soaps well there are those are fans non-parallel she now stars in the 3rd season of the crime drama mr rhys sadie's which is on the peacock network it's also reprising a role as captain janeway in the upcoming animated series star trek prodigy which will premiere on. plus paramount plus sorry later this year hecate aria. very well how are you going to it's. fine thank you you know i'm reading a book pretty fascinating right now but barbara's on hotel and i'm not saying you stay there but i'm trying to think about a 17 year old iowa girl and i don't i go to europe. but it's not the barbizon it's not the barbarism it's i know what you're talking about i just read

the article myself i stayed there is it the barbus on yes that's a book i'm reading i don't know there might be another one but i'm reading one about the barbizon hotel and as i said i didn't even think you stayed i'm just thinking about a 17 year old girl coming to new york all of a sudden you're in the conservatory. and you get a so for most of the last in fool this miss margaret was that felt like the whole world was your oyster well you can imagine i mean i was at joyful to say the least but it was my objective and this i mean i left to be a guy with a very strong goal in mind and that was to never go back to my father's house and to seek his care. and i went into the world with a strong if not fierce objective and so when i teach these 2 things simultaneously both a soap opera i tape during the day and a car would come and take it to stratford that night when i performed in our town

at the american shakespeare festival it was it was sort of absolutely unfettered joy and i remember it to this day and there have been many days since then. as the most completely and tainted happiness of my entire life. now when i when i read all the components in that i thought boy what a young girl who longs to act and i didn't even know about of the thorton wilder ever stick his head in or. i'm well i think i'm down here to let a router have left us by then but in the play with me we're fred quinn and geraldine fitzgerald and i live the right eileen heckert so it's a coming of age unparalleled i think i was the lucky lucky kid and i knew that i was like. i'm trying to think the jew who at that point was a stellar like

a marital status or was she actor you actually on the boots on the ground teaching at that point did you were you in a class with ms outlook i was it's a wonderful question i was her last master class i had the less tolerant stella adler employed did she let me into shape i remember she grabbed my hair when she pulled me to the floor and then some ghastly monologue and i deserved it but nonetheless i was frightened and i think i was stunned and she said i'm going to knock out of you if it's the last thing i do. it or level that i don't think she achieved it quite but she did her level best she formed me i don't know if you've had such a great laugh in your life as to have a mentor of that kind of size and dimension she was epic stella and i think she she gave me that more than anything else and i've been ridiculed because of it and i've been lauded because of it but i'll tell you this there's nothing like an epic

teacher a teacher who loves the outsize there's nothing like someone who exalts passion for a young mind that's what you need i mean she was the enemy of indifference and that's a chance still to meet with. just to just to know that brenda was a gobsmacked buyer always boggles my mind he seemed i don't know impenetrable in a completely open way to me whenever i read about him but the fact that he found her so i don't know exotic 11 sometimes thinks she must've been a force of nature i don't think you say i think i think he found her enthralling and there's still some debate about whether or not it was a love affair i know that he had an affair with jealous daughter ellen because i knew ellen she died a couple of years ago he did that but he would often just go over it stay at stella's apartment and just watch or sort of dial this devotion no i think she i

think brando too was attracted to to the epic and he saw us crystallized in her. whoever she touched she touched with a magic that's certain. i think she had such a stranglehold on the human condition i would imagine she knew she could possess brando in a much deeper way than they have to love and she held that in abeyance to something to create i think arundel one seek wos it was a lot of the next thing so if you wanted him and perpetuity you probably best not give him that that's very wise of you and you know that happened with his acting as well nicholas and you know i think he just lost it fresh and i rather admire it but i haven't seen it often i think he just sort of lost his mojo and he just this is no longer not only companionable but i don't buy it i think it's all and he just

walked. up to play it at 500 pounds but he walked away. listen i think when sure that one shirt or pulling the sword from the stone like nobody else and you watch him in the man and stuff like that and you think my god this guy's the continental divide of acting waters falling the other way now when i watch him i think that's got to be a scary place in a weird way i know everybody's coming up to you and you're trying to get away with bongos a fight with grips in the alley between shows at some point you must think boy i've grabbed some they hear how me only one out here and this is pretty weirdly scary in a way. yeah but i wonder what that is you know it haunts those of us who are not blessed with a chair a gift if you want to call it a gift you're calling it a demonic gift and i suppose you're right. i think 6 it must be a thing of chemistry it must be a thing of natural charisma it must be but he had such an intelligence which is what i was talking to you about these of your own intelligence i think that he he

just he just transcended. what acting seems to present itself to be to most actors he had a deep understanding of deep sort of care less nests which is what we dig and i want to find out from somebody before i die why we did it so much we want the inaccessible we want the actor who doesn't care we want it why do we want it you think it go for the opposite but you don't you want that and that was brenda well if there's one thing more intoxicating than genius it's genius with a nice base coat of insouciance of if when somebody is throwing away something that's unattainable for the rest of us that is an aphrodisiac in my book why i had to pick her brain about brenda come on she studied with stella adler she said the last master class that i know she is an actor through and through we're talking to

kate mulgrew and i to just be candid with you there are so many things that are streaming right now i need a perm or on mr mercedes which are appearing in now on the on the peacock network tell me about it tell me about your part. well tell you that it's based on the trilogy written by stephen king but stephen king did not in fact write this character of. david kelly wrote the character of alma lane in the 3rd season of mr mercedes starring the incomparable brandon gleason and i am the bad girl which is the only thing to be at this stage the game you know what i'm talking about don't you know that it's good to be bad and she is all bad i won't say deliciously bad because she's too much of a psychopath she's too much of a narcissist but she's not well classes she reads she writes she paints on a high level she's a wild bibliophile which is what it's all about she once had a big affair with a with a writer whose books have now been kidnapped by the young boy that she is sleeping

with and i obviously took this little kid who is now 30 and i am mr age under my wing some years ago and he is my my thing he is my creature and he does what i devise and i devise no end of sort of absolutely unspeakable horrors. i might have to wrap this interview early so i could start streaming the show because if anybody just said a hawk is for her to watch except for you're dead right there i always think how do i separate these shows out that pitch right there that's me watching this later today. yes you're like me whenever anybody says go to the dark side and that's when i say i'm already there it's great but i want to say this about mr savings it wasn't a thing of kismet for me because i hit the trifecta david kelly writing absolutely superb and then we had stephen king as the mastermind and jack bender as the

showrunner and if you've ever had a show right here and i'm sure you've had a few in your time. inspire you immediately and sort of unthinkingly and sort of. wildly it would be jack bender. i just got him he got me and in the middle of the scene where i'm sitting the kid and i'm getting the thing i'm going to chop off somebody said and i'm going to do this scream from 3 rooms away drink the wine in stroud against the law and they're adamant strolled out on the benefit cut is a member group and i just do whatever you want. it great fun. the most actors i've encountered in my life with a bridle and direction when it's incipient or when it's from somebody who they think is not as emotionally vested in the project as they are when they run across somebody like let's say a gag because they have their so they may run to the advice from them they want

somebody to put the bridle on and they want to work they want to agree with them that's part of the joy of it right right but it doesn't happen it just it happens so rarely but you put it beautifully i mean it is about trust and it's about. somebody just sort of saying what i tell you this i'm telling you this because not only do i know that you can do it but i know you can do it like it's never been done before and we're going to do this thing together and it's just a feeling week liberation i mean i really think he's one of the finest show writers and directors in the business and david kelly of course a sensor past in his writing ability. i'm always blown away at his workload when i hear about him sitting down and in a very i as per michelle pfeiffer anything you hear bottom varying non-rhotic away i mean it's not like you're in the room with the tennessee work i'm sponsoring

awful lot he sits down he does the product you read the lines and you say this is anything but workman like this is imbued with some sort of inside knowledge of the human condition but he can do it without causing him so such great pain it seems to me i think that that's it but that was his his gift you know i met him only once and he was a very self-effacing i thought i thought even diffidence. upon meeting but i think what happened when he sat down to write was a kind of ownership again i have to go back to intelligence because everything is intelligence times i mean let's face it this part winds will out and david kelly just sits down in the end just stands that authorship is everything in this business television is a very mediocre business and to elevate the mediocre to the sublime within minutes sometimes seconds at the stroke of the pen is someone who absolutely understands language and more importantly how language can work its magic. through care so he

does it with if there are 10 of his making the heart of poloi sometimes when people talk about the employee they get heavy handed with it but i find he has a nice for a zone of being able to mouth breathe with character but he breathes with characters through the rough readers and not either and ite them or make them look sad but not be of that mean just as 'd he wrote it i think we're saying the same think he has nuance he understands subtlety and he does it all with an intellectual suppleness that very few writers in television. i think we're talking to kate mulgrew and it's fascinating i don't know if i've ever missed the james lipton episode but this is a woman a mr lipton would have only half the brought half a jenga tower a 4 by 6 cards because she can talk or took a stuff about her craft i want to talk to a little about star trek when we come back orange is the new black to get mr

mercedes now streaming on peacock and it's into its 3rd season and i think they've got an upcoming animated series of star trek and will pick her brain about that group right after that side dennis miller plus one. i'm just one term as governor of minnesota i was on the front lines against the political bloc strangles american politics i'm still in the white question. dear thank you for finally changing your understand you're tired of networks learn a new view. of the end of the. day. no matter what. the you know me 'd i'm famous for my views. yours truly. ready.

thanks folks we're back with the delightful kate mulgrew and we've been talking about mr mercedes which is a crime drama now are entering its 3rd season on peacock got if you went back and told sarnoff that eventually one day people would be watching. now for coffee and cock problems these reviewers as they were can't here but they are beyond. that exactly. let's target live your tender on the star check now when i go back i'm i'm a so enamored of roddenberry's originally thought was i can't say i've kept up with it over the years but i think why is this lasted forever and i almost find it like a credit going away and in a pretty insightful way for

a way back when i think he saw things coming down the road or beyond phasers and all that i think he saw the growing empathy in the world i will do it what is it about roddenberry the resonates to this day he captured which is why the fanbase is so strong and so devoted. and so enduring he captured the idea that we as a species homo sapiens reflect nothing more or less than a ship that is lost in space meaning infinite unknowable ness and what do we do when we are captured this is called the life span how do we make it worthwhile what do we exercise that makes us lift us above the rest and indeed it is your word of it is empathy it is what he called beautifully by the way i use it all the time the prime directive 1st do no harm approach each species meaning each man with the same guilelessness and honesty and warmth and disaffection that you would

anyone else. never use cruelty as a strength. you science as your as your guiding light and hope as the permanent objective and i think you can't beat it you can't beat it for it's value i mean everybody is besotted with star trek i have the 1st clue dennis when i got it i had the 1st clue and i never would have gotten the part had i known about it or the size of it the dimension of it but i didn't i said what is it what is that i understood science fiction as if from afar it's not my thing and then i was told boy you're an idiot because this thing is vast and very very important in the culture and i would but i didn't know that when i went in for the for the audition and i think it was that inner it's stood me in good stead i laughed with the way whom i had created as

a captain i laughed and i wait in the room and i see was saucy she was sassy she was warm she was worried she was vulnerable and i think even a little funny so it won the day. did you did you blunder any admiral ridgeway into it at some point one has to assume the bridge can fetch i was always a narrative shot or because he made it made the easy passage from sort of walking through doors and being somewhat the galactically insouciance bonus time the man the bridge i always hoped he stood as ilene didn't do it very scary and there's an interesting person you should interview bill shatner a man who is an area of. oh good well made then you know that the life is absolutely extraordinary and his energy he's the guy is indefatigable i've never seen anything like it i mean i've got a lot of energy it's nothing to build chatters and i've often said 2 words come

from where does it spring from it can't just be egoistic it must be based on something constitutional chemical where'd you get it are i just love life i love people but i don't really believe that but i think that he has some kind of supernatural thing but as for captain janeway and sitting in the captain seat as the 1st female to helm a starship. it changed my life utterly changed my relatives and rick berman who was then the carrier of the franchise told me that it would and i left inside who yeah they all say it's going to change or as a change is the moment it changes the moment this change should change the fabric of my life the very substance of it in fact it was huge huge and there's a lot of mileage going. it gets a lot worse than not. i listen i always like the show because you get into it for

a reason and if you get any sort of recognition the reason i got into it is i thought i had to tell my own jokes now if i follow that thread i should be happy doing that of course you get the attendant favors bestowed apply to you and if you ever manage to hook into the collective consciousness in any way i always knew it is completely gravy i'm fascinated when i hear people run for it as a matter of fact i think bill used to divert too much chilled power to this you know he fancied himself for the barone ial guy who would gallop in on his appaloosa to knock off a little absent in the park with joe papp and everybody knew him as the guy who flew the spaceship so when he made peace with that i always thought that will be better off for it and i think any hooks a good one can emit in a weird one. by a great but it was quite a chapter you called it a 10 year earlier and that's exactly what it was it was 7 years in

a very. unique foxhole and i made lifelong friendships in that foxhole and i learned a lot of things about myself some of them not so admirable but most of them are actually quite good. i learned how to stand up for 18 hours a day and it could do remind myself that excellence was the moment and they had to be exercised at every turn i think i learned a kind of. extraordinary discipline during those years i was raising still little children by myself and those days were very long get us as weeks were very long and i just said to myself the only thing you could possibly do. to make this right with your children is to do is to not get out of the park as best you possibly can and i think for young women in science i may have had i may have done that a little bit and the bit and that alone was gratifying you know.

process certainly syndication puts the pay and live long and prosper and let's put it that way so it's always nice to carve out how 11 gig that feeds all the artistic choices one wants to make of life i think. and continues to do so i mean it is the good if it keeps on giving it this it is likely that's the prodigy this cartoon that we're doing which is borne out it only magination. well this came through a phone call when i was doing mr mercedes from alex kurtzman who may or may not know is now in charge of the entire franchise in all things star trek related but long to alex kurtzman credibly smart guy really astute understands the culture understands where kids are understands the mentality in a way i just don't and the only demographic that star trek is missing are the young

ones i think kids. you know it really has appeal to the 20 to 35 year old males but in prodigy which is the name of this animated series 5 kids are incarcerated on an r. on a planet and obscure planet in an uncharted part of the galaxy and they escape from their imprisonment and race across the planet to find a defunct starship buried in the sand of the of the planet's surface and they go in and of course the prison guards are coming after them and they can't get it up in the shields won't run of the thing and suddenly somebody hits about and who. hello kids i see her who stuck you're going to help you out and it's captain janeway. in a holographic form so yeah holographic form so it's really really i think going to

capture the imagination of the kids and if they can sit with their mothers who watched me in live action and their fathers who loved. arguably the other guys and we've got an family affair and that that will bring it full circle to rethink. we're talking to kate mulgrew one of the few guests that anybody will ever interview that will tweak holographic into hologram magic in the space of a 2nd so that's a that's a good catch in her brain for the vernacular so we've been talking about. star trek a little we talked in the 1st segment about the. the crime drama mr mercedes one peacock i just wanted to ask in closing could because it has so many fans of your tenure is red. or just the new black red the person i least want to send my meal back to the kitchen on in the history of the planet. or you know better than. the way i said it was a game changer she was

a game changer at a very interesting point in the game and i think the change of color who wrote it wanted a russian actor is because of this jim daly wanted somebody to bring all of that lever and all of that stuff to it and they couldn't find it they could find a voice they could find the look but they couldn't find a combination of what they really needed strength and vulnerability and combat in that era or in the whole thing so when i went in for the audition they gave me a tiniest little slip of paper on which it said. we want do not hit this with a hammer the mirror is suggestion of a russian accent and background just she's fully assimilated without but when i opened my mouth this is what came out that it was so rough and it was so right there and i was that i was in it from the moment and i guess it worked because i got it it opened up to a whole new group of fans and it's been

a nice hand off over the course of that career from the soap to that and all the artistic work in between i thought when i was reading about you of you and your mom the bill going to her fanning you know blowing on the embers of a young girl's dream i don't know if you still have your mother but you must be very proud that are girl went to the big city and lived a life filled or stuck it's every parent's scream i don't know if she was i think she was proud but i know she was interested interested enough to say to me at every possible juncture along the way whatever you do don't be mediocre thank you mother we tricked. great advice well listen you're anything but you're fascinating it's good to talk to it's nice to finally meet you and as i said look for season 3 of mr mercedes on the peacock network and captains of the bridge kate mulgrew dennis miller plus one thank you.

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