shouldn't let it be an arms race is on all sides be very dramatic i develop the only way i'm going to exist i don't see how that's right it's a visits us very critical darren time to sit down and talk. welcome to alex salmond sue from scotland now last week's elections across the u.k. threw up some interesting contrast thing results in scotland did i think people were so intense and wales labor won well i didn't go into almost all of england orders johnson's tories reigned supreme now i guess the traditional has

a particular interest in the political fix this of boris johnson because he's written a book about the prime minister called the assault on truth as a former journalistic colleague peter oborne is in a strong position to explain the rise and rise of boris johnson and as a patent ability to try to any personal scandal to actual success how does peter oborne assess border's johnson's ability to walk on political water and i think will come might try well with alex and peter to discuss people though both of them your recent book the assault on cruised you pointed out the strained relationship that borders johnson has with that our city mo just a few weeks after that damning indictment he spoke of the walk master of all the surveys he's laid the labor party law in england what is going on. well 1st of all i think our next we have to say this is

a very huge political achievement in angel and for the british prime minister i mean they were speeding at a moment when the only ought to be to inquire well as an incredibly bad actually. what is going on in terms of the truth the british people has made all the english critical wunsch and sam made a really quite interesting decision they have a good reason to suppose that he's very sleazy in the sense that there's one inquiry after another and see his personal misconduct in dining streets and as prime minister i know decided it's it doesn't matter and this is a new thing in british politics we have and i mean it's my lifetime if not a simple explanation if you look at the results from the free masons maté for wales nicholas stubbs in winning in scotland bala's does not willing and england isn't

the public just commenting on that the handling of well the vaccination program in particular isn't this just a thank you to the 3 political leaders who've taken the country through the pandemic. yes and he's not just the bad ass a nation there is in times of emergency international crisis like right at the mic there's a national disaster people to look towards that their leaders and in the case of mr mr johnson he's considered sort of done well i don't think he did at all if he you know we know that he completely failed state council here and didn't turn the 1st strike over meetings on this emergency measure total nonsense and the. early stages and i and you have been there in general facts that indicate in times of the night and see people vote for their leaders and like them even then don't deserve the support at school or perhaps

a disconnect thought between political journalism and their public attitudes and in the last 2 weeks of these election campaigns they totally party were under great pressure because of the activities of mr johnson and it did has paid assess a list of common about lobbying scandals and this sort of thing but the public don't seem to care one iota about that sort of stuff without the a correct reading of the situation. the reading wish you just described is the one which is being conned now by mr johnson's allies in dining straits and beyond in other words we are we are now the master of mr johnson's lying and he is chasing and so on and these very sad and the and he is relationship with tory jonas and concerning the the regeneration of downing street then of the masses of voices spoken and i think it is true to the extent that. you know we heard

phrases free day by day to better on the masses on the doorstep covais but on the other hand that is not a reason not sitting tara get in for this our g.a.c. not sit to interrogate what mr johnson's how he spends his money and die history who's giving him money alone even money this is all proper questions for journalists to us it is the westminster and polish issue is the not some soft of the spinet between what journalists and newspapers believe to be important and what their general public vote on as important. that's a very profound question because it is true that most journalists politicians policy makers in general civil servants tends to live in the great metropolises whereas most is a scattered everywhere and they may have

a difference especially among the other hand i think hurts the average race and may discover that mr johnson has been lying to them and the brass it hasn't meanness wonderful economic triumph for which he sentenced to project. and there's going to come a moment when reality and the world created by johnson which he projects very effectively it particularly in northern areas a good part company and people are already seeing him sort of pull barriers that can but the press it promises across england job destroying our businesses so we are living in a sort of fantasy world that many were made many ways of a moment how long that will assist i know. the peril but you've been noted for your command of of sweeping views of politics one of the most influential thoughts than early 20th century the political developments of england was the strains death of

liberal england as it was called can you explain though this strange death of the labor party in all of that what an f. is going on. the book you refer to that george dangerfield strange death of brit liberal england's. suggested and britain was heading to for some form of revolution before in 1948 and they only escaped from this revolution by every traipsing off to the great tragedy of world war one and it was going to be a working class revolutions and labor party suffragettes were causing my hand and i forget what the 1st leg of darkness that does suggest i do recommend the book wonderful rate. the strange jeff toobin labor party. breaks it as being the problem for the labor party and so if you look up people which was a safe later seat. the races went souther 1st of all they voted graphs it and i

remember many of them were labor and the night they've all got almost unanimously to the consensus that's the immediate problem the longer problem i think is tony blair mr blair can prime minister advised by that political genius peter mandelson in 1970 and the basic strategy was that you completely no want your base voters the working class you've devoted your strategy to appealing to a relatively small number of middle class folk who is swing the election in your direction. and that's what took tony blair did very successfully but in the medium term the effectiveness was to betray the working class of the trail call vote and many of those voters felt despise and for the time being they ended up with joe mr johnson's concerns you are see they've abandoned labor and that is not something you can blame on kish or jeremy called in or in media dan and i are his

a direct result of the very cynical strategy adopted by tony blair and now that mr johnston has a man's triumphant over the labor party in much of a ruined is he now going to turn his sights to the last the doubt of labour's a little wales and what about scotland where the independents and the s.n.p. are reception how his list of johnson going to the deal with these up starts and the celtic nations you keep on asking really difficult questions. and it probably too vague too difficult to be certain but it feels like mr johnson by mistake in some ways has ended our leading a sort of english nationalist movement. and so that being the case he is the biggest possible gift you would have to be independence movement in wales and

indeed in scotland the way he talks about the union you know the olsen foursome is flippant it doesn't i mean it's strong unionists but it is flippant it doesn't pay it pay proper respect sad things through the historic nature of the union and what it needs and news follows clever ideas and he doesn't have a proper sense of what the union is. so would you trust contrast then between the unionism of what say david cameron and the universal love brought us johnson yes i think david cameron for all of his faults and a genuine commitment enormous commitment and belief to the tree union boris johnson is a more opportunistic politician the one example involves our actually not so. not scholarly ac theresa may when she was trying to miss. structured home to deal

because you realize that she couldn't do any damage than to try to agree and she really respect to make sure the union in northern ireland boris johnson smashed that did mrs or mrs maggs and the reason he did that was opportunistic create things in order to dismantle her leadership she did have respect for the union which you can see johnson in that sense so would just say that what was done to the has passed no culpability for the instability that we've seen no in northern ireland and is there any awareness and don't the state that he might bear that responsibility there's no sense this is another thing which makes johnson unusual in manohar known but unusual in my mum on british prime minister is he there's no sense of shame. and really no sense of responsibility he uses

is a brilliant use of language when he uses it for one's haskell shorts and after another and when events to find out as he predicted also they would he's moving along so fast the train is moving such a clattering pass that everybody forgets the promises and pledges decisions he made use of the limits he's a loss and all he surprised this is a brilliant political technique is the most awful prime minister since tony blair in you know me to the iraq war yes a sort of dominance one thing which we haven't mentioned is the press that should play to the british media interest which is played a major role in cementing this situation and projecting mr johnson's or not questioning is lies and not exposing his cronyism

and sleeps it's. a bit but that is the moment you cannot it is prodigious my slate is as powerful as may have shown once again he said remember also that great betray all of the latter after 2001. join us after the break where alex continue says this question with top journalist peter oborne with you that. no one has ever cruised around the globe in an inflatable catamaran before. you know you stop. because you see him but. it is such a cruise you need a solid crew people you can share folks home with so to speak.

you do it with your home was the one. who was not the mother you were the well let me get out ski i took it yes but i made up my for direct hit the floor with much of the new model for me what do you need for gas if you need stuff you've got the money for you don't you maybe you know when you're. welcome back to this you were alex continues his discussion with peta over. so let's reflect more generally peter roebuck can you identify the softer of techniques that you phone store fence of the late lies the manipulation of the of the media is that something new in

politics or is it just something that's got modern techniques to make all the more pernicious politics has been invested by very rich man who are bought the political parties and have started to control to buy he used politics as a form of. of investment and getting for selfish greedy reasons to get contracts to get a reward sit in the house of lords to get owners and support of texas but it can't be captured by greet that association i think crew for the rise of near liberalism but it's not the same thing. george osborne made this remarkable statement are sure to hear david cameron these little modernising faction became gain control of the conservative party in 2005 as was it i think how

easy it would be to take over the conservative party as it was him to hear him can chart so they haven't taken over and that sense of honor and service and just vanished with that remark and the modernizers attracts it's these vulgar unscrupulous backers who were in politics in order to in some cases to skew that pollute ideological agenda and other cases to just make money when contractors receive not it's enormous number of tory donors who treat given contracts the picture above if you talk as if this is a new development with a go back to the days of monday gregory who was busy selling orders and pillages from lloyd jobs unsteadily bolden i was convicted of a lot was a way back in the 1920 s. so far as different no compared to then. or tell you one difference i'm not going

to name any contemporary names you'll be relieved to know for legal reasons but he was convicted of murder if he's chosen to say that frighten center. and nobody even raises an eyebrow. and more generally i think it's the that the youth of the standards of integrity which prevailed post were watered particular when the cabinet secretary was a formidable figure in the that you process the civil service process was very strong. that you really can't point to many instances of corruption and those that there were well punished like pools and for instance the property development case or. profumo who lives parliaments and then you know resigned and went into charity where there's a much higher code of public on a and and

a political party as well not in the hands of very rich men but where they are now the part of the rise of the party don't. it is been one of the most maligned features of my public life in this assault on truth you meticulously detail there the cases where the privacy of those does there's been a variance with the actuality but it's just really again something a start to abolish dunson of women when you suddenly a critical of a tony blair has been dr alice to kumble i mean isn't this just a continuation of a plan as opposed to something which is perfect lee johnson esque. you know to make a very good points about tony blair 90 write a book by mr blair and his entourage in the end and nothing is going to ever be as terrible as the law abiding weapons of mass destruction which was used to justify

an illegal war should be said mr blatt the nice of the statement that when he was lying about that he was simply he would say misinformed by the intelligence services i think that's what he says but us to bill blair episode. with other gordon brown and david cameron theresa may you didn't get this kind of like i was a fellow blair. and johnson is a different thing altogether he just fabricates all the time it's very like trump in that way almost of radiation in a joint you know there's lots of examples of making things up for the fun of it and . he i think this is a new scale. hardly care a public lying and. yes i think that has a real problem here because it can last for so long but at the end of the day the

who did it will become obvious to everybody that there is a large gap incredible treat truth and and reality but of course that one of your better know ours that was dominic cummings while control of our 1st spend them in the pill ation and only state no there has been a huge parting of the ways between the choice of coming with mr johnson and indeed it was generally thought mr cummings was busy sticking the knife and before the elections it does the electoral results settled mr cummings hasse's well you know this is a perry interesting point do you raise because mr cummings is being blamed not least by mr johnson himself through wentz of the lengths of ringing up newspaper editors a few weeks ago and saying that the source of the beast story about him and by cecil paper and that sort of thing or was was mr cummings and of course now this he's had this election trying mr johnson his allies are already will now say that

will paper thing all those the militias episodes the standards inquiry announced that they into his holiday mistakes alas that man cummings is in bases there tension to him and that is a way to try to divert attention from the fact that the integrity of the prime minister is and has i mean territorial fashion and that's a real importance doesn't matter who says these things that has arisen over will quite right there's going to be a real a chance to say certain british journalists and sued the world at large that somehow mr johnson is behind a paint ticket virus by the by the elections. no uniform of colleague of the prime minister did above highly complimentary about the skills as a as a journalist so you know him better than morse spotless does in the sort of man who

goes home to downing street and has a good laugh about the day's events or is a someone who who pours over what might be in there in the social media of the or the next day's headlines is here what they are or is he devil may care on the basis of the johnson i knew at the spectator when i worked for him as i was his little correspondent and he was the editor you were in character i mean it's one of the greats redeeming features of the prime minister is that he wasn't over consumed by a source of personal vendettas or you know when it was written of a segment of papers all he will go back home and and be very good company i mean nice that is just now i know. where the he's still the case in downing street i couldn't possibly say because i graduated from you i have had an invitation. are you surprised big greatly didn't ask you peter over us to convince unionist to

do something which is very out of character i wanted to give some advice to nicholas stubbs at and who has had a similar substantial election victory in scotland and this he sizes up bothers thompson and wonders how to take them on on the issue of the constitutional future scotland what advice would you give to mr. well mr aujali has got a very natural course of action which is to to undermine boris johnson by pointing out the very same are the very arguments he used for breasts this are the arguments which of course undermine his own unionist case. and the 2nd thing she has in her. armory is that mr johnson's and this is something which justice that is a union's is that mr johnson's well documented record of lying not least about the s.n.p.

. means that we're in recess in merry juicer referendum campaigns kerry 0 whites so let's move more generally again peter oborne do you see a telling point in politics when you have well disclaimed good the solution that with some of these techniques of crept into politics how the parties have become and the ownership of the big dollars. that has the line development across politics that do you think there's going to be a tumbling point the people of a mostly say though are well fed up with this they're going to let the clean government party or be if they were on the road to perdition to answer your question you have to understand what has happened to the conservative party is shaped change in being a pragmatic sensible new party union when you were never very you know broadly in place party to be something which is quite. quite

a very right wing it's moved it into words the old writes is that to use the jargon sense it just says that the republicans have died in the united states. a dedicated to waging a series of cultural wars economically it's shifted dramatically of course to the left. and. if all is remind you very much of all abound in hungary it is of plantar listing political leader which is to say he identifies supporters and warns them and then wade uses something very approaching hate speech to marginalize minorities is prior frightening new form of politics we have that it. in britain ever. and the question is what is going to stand up against it. and that is the problem which cash umma has because i think because i'm

a close decent man and he's an author so far suggests everything he's done since he's a very poor politician is not and you can't form a broadly based party which does stand up for decency and does the liver on its promises. that will be very important favorite the moment mr johnson's unique brand of conservatism and i wouldn't even call it conservatism because for me the conservative party was the budget process in the clouds speech scrupulous and honest mr johnson's conservatism is temporarily the new dominance new momentum of forever nothing ever is. and finally then peter overton where is the opposition going to come from is it going to come from the opposition parties at westminster is it going to become from or a revived press for the perhaps for the the social media is it going to come from the civic society is a going to come from the celtic nations and who is finally going to say enough is

enough we're putting a stop to this what i hear so i hope that the celtic nations are too successful in their own opposition i do think it's some point those games have be a break between mr johnson's to say should cease because he has a traditional tory heartland secured a pragmatic middle of the road brutally low tax people of the home counties the shires arts of london and at the same time he's got a new constituency which is the former labor voting class which wants for massive public spending and quite likes mr johnson's brand of exhibitionists and can those 2 parts of the coalition remain together. obviously not and also no point for us is that was mr johnson is never going to be able to rescue our

triple or i mean mike or all the hard nipples are our it just isn't it isn't possible peter oborne thank you so much for being such an insightful and entertaining guest on the alex salmon show that was always a pleasure thank you alex. peter oldham has provided a pile of full critique of the techniques of lot of government and indeed above his johnson's government in particular have of the prime minister's continued electoral success but it's a solid to the mind that the political scandal often fascinates the mainstream media is no substitute for the long term trends which dominate at the ballot box at some point real estate can see this opposition to johnson well the maps will it be for a lot of by the opposition that westminster will it be from the celtic nations will it be from the on like media will it be from civic society but nature of whole is

a political vacuum that opens and will about just what it does at the johnson train may well help the buffalo's and so for now from to speed on the self and all of the show it's good bye for now keep staying safe and we'll see again next week. thanks guys or survival guide do you think you want to start. there are you going to pass. back to. let me know. this is a repatriation look at the rest in 7 years. philip the sad times are hard.

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