exists i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. welcomed on contact today we will discuss the clashes between the israelis and palestinians with the palestinian activist dr sami al-arian we we put every child when they die and for every man and woman when they are insured and when they are being targeted but there is no other recourse i mean the word has failed us has betrayed the palestinians for 28 years he told the palestinians come recognize israel and within 5 years you're going to have your rights and that was back and guess at 28 years later and even worse than it's ever been so i think the police inquiries are no longer no longer believe in such flawed processes the united states has to step up to the plate it's this as as much responsible for the

suffering of the palestinians as israelis are because they are enabling them to do what they want the are financing them there and giving them all the ammunitions every bullet the palestinians was short of was made in my state every plane was made in the message every bomb was was was was financed and imported and 8 for and delivered to israel by the united states and united states they test to come to. realize that it is part of the problem and unless they do major correction it's going to continue to suffer in this part of the where people do not hate america because they of their democracy or because of of their freedom people who are the policies of the next states because it is not just the try to punish the palestinians so that they can please that is for us. nearly all the words and phrases used by the democrats republicans on the talking heads on the media to describe the unrest inside israel and the heaviest israeli assault against the

palestinians since the 2014 attacks on gaza which lasted $51.00 days and killed more than 2000. 200 palestinians including 551 children our ally israel by employing its military machine against an occupied population that does not have mechanized units an air force navy missiles heavy artillery and command and control not to mention a u.s. commitment to provide $38000000000.00 in defense aid to israel over the next decade is not exercising the right to defend itself it is carrying out mass murder it is a war crime. israel has made it clear it is ready to destroy and kill as wantonly now as it was in 2014 israel's defense minister benny gantz who was the chief of staff during the murderous assault on gaza in 2014 has vowed that if

hamas in his words does not stop the violence the strike of 2021 will be harder and more painful than that of 2014 these current attacks have already targeted residential high rises including the obliteration of a dozen international and local news agencies government buildings roads public facilities agricultural lands 2 schools and a mosque joining me to discuss the conflict with the palestinian political activist dr sami al-arian director of the center for islam and global affairs in istanbul so sami let's talk about what's happening there is a kind of pattern where the israelis will call it mo in the lawn where the palestinians erupt. israel uses draco nian overwhelming

force to inflict heavy civilian casualties and we should add destroy the infrastructure which is the not repaired making life even more difficult especially in places and gaza is this a repetition of that pattern. yes it's great to be with you chris when we have to put what's happening today in the occupied territories particularly wasn't jerusalem in the context of this think didn't happen vacuum didn't happen just overnight for several weeks the israelis have been trying to fix that a stimulus from their homes that they lived for over 50 s and this other in jerusalem across very close to there lots of mosques and then in addition in the holiest month of the year for muslims in jerusalem where thousands tens of thousands go and trade at the luxor mosque one of the holiest shrines in islam in the history of this time a question and they try to impose new restrictions on people going into locks

a mosque and pray and then they were trying to impose a demonstration and what they call jerusalem day by bringing thousands of settlers inside a house inside the the holiest shrine why people of pray and when people resisted that and they refuse and rejected these assaults then they came in force fully equipped in military style invasions and they bombed you know using using tear gas and using clubs and using rubber bullets hundreds of palestinians in a way to intimidate them and in the words of the police chief in order to us to to assert who is dominant who is in charge here so it was all intimidations and with the attempt to judea as a dice jerusalem in the occupied territories interested in tight if it but his demands there was of course an outrage and a response and that response escalated to what we are seeing today in gaza

including obviously the bombing of major areas or incidents from in gaza and the response by the resistance groups by sending rockets across. the palestinian areas . that were employed by them 48. and but how is this different from 2014 if it is because there is this belief within the israeli military that you pound the palestinians especially in gaza into submission they are quiet for a while they rise up you pound them again. the whole cell violence is quite massive on the day that the trumpet ministration move the embassy from tel aviv the american embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem again a violation of international law i think there were 60 palestinians shot dead in protest on that very day not a word from the administration are we just seeing the pattern or is this are we are is this new. you know it's

a pattern certainly it happened 20082920122014 now we're seeing it today as well and of course this theater of moving it along or getting a haircut has been popularized by this famous saying of the israeli general in which they think that whenever the resistance movements get strength in terms of their ability to strike at is a when they have to come and pound them and to teach them a lesson i think this time around there was also a massive response from the other side hundreds of rockets rained on israel this it is as far as to leviev and jerusalem and all is between a shield us to land and the many settlements around gaza so it's not it's not free right as it used to be i mean leader member you remember you covered the 1982 and. lebanon invasion of israel and and how the lebanese were able to deter israel today is wasn't there to strike

a lebanon because of the resistance in south lebanon and now the sense of hezbollah and i think what's happening is similar obviously with the vast difference that you guys as much closer and much weaker. but at the same time today there are as there are more rockets and more devastating impact of the use of these rockets than it used to be in 2040 and i think as long as this won't. continue to bleed and unless and you know as long as occupation continues these kind of clashes are inevitable and i don't think i think the palestinians have thought the is or it is the listen that regardless of the pounding regardless of the suffering that they insist on resisting and under storing their rights and i don't think they're going to succeed in fact today you can see with this massive military militarized state where they i mean you and you numerated the power they have the military they've got the assistance they have. the diplomatic cover they got from the united states

yes they are today still suffering i mean this massive balance of power difference between the palestinians and israel and yet they're still head to head fighting the palestinians have most of the suffering for sure but i think they're also teaching the israelis a lesson that when people are determined to resist and determined to get back their rights they don't give up and eventually they would get them back there are 2 things that struck me as different from 2014 and one obviously the range of the rockets that hamas is firing they're also firing them in very large birth which allows them to not to be shot down and israel's iron dome. project the other thing of course is the unrest inside israel among israeli palestinians and load and other places which did take place during the intifada as but i'd like you to speak about that unrest inside the borders of israel proper. i

think that's a major development in the conflict what israel wanted to do for a long time and they were successful. in some of these times is to divide the palestinians into those who are up in 140 what is called behind the green line and the palestinians in the the west bank in jerusalem and gaza and of course in that they ask for a and you have 5 different communities and they are not united and they're not able to resist and then they can deal with each faction with each community separately what we see today is a major shift in that policy that the palestinians inside the green light in the $140.00 areas has erupted and have become part of resisting that colonial sense of a project called is or is today and what we see today i think has shaken the israeli political establishment and i think that there will be consequences for this palestinians now see themselves as well. people resisting this this project

that is trying to depopulate expel them from the lands take their lands away steal it basically like what's happening to shift iraq it's a pubes stealing their their property and their position and i think that is going to have major consequences and i think it puts the international community not us particularly people into my states i think people have seen now all the rules all the different narratives that they use against the palestinians have now been exposed and cover and people see isn't it for what it is it's a settler colonialist project in the heart of the arab world in palestine when they were trying to expand the palestinians replace people and put someone else in their place and that hasn't succeeded because simply the use of the word today the overwhelming majority have not adhere to this call of zionists or the they stopped at 6000000 where that was probably about 16000000 around the world and palestinians refused to leave even those 700000 of them were kicked out 148 their descendants

today number about 7000000 yet you also have the people depressing and people incite palestine proper inside all of this historic palestine or more today than the jews themselves that's image of a problem for the for the for the for isn't already going to do with these people i mean either they will have to incorporate that in which the nature of the zionist project will dissolve or they will have to impose an apartheid right redeem not only on palestinians under occupation but also throughout because laws that are passed in the knesset which is the israeli. parliament are designed to give advantage privileges to jews rather than arabs even if you're citizen of the country you don't you're not treated the same and this kind of a system is a bygone era this is what we used to fight back you know in the last century here particularly in the eighty's against apartheid south africa and that's what's being what's happening today in. this way they try to cover it and they try to to to make

it sound that this is the only democracy in the middle east but i think people know better now particularly the youth we see that this is a total rejection of this state today across the globe the only holding. country right now and probably would be the united states and not even the whole united states just these political elites that are trying to. argue what is an argument since its foundation that it's a democracy but that's a mockery of what actually what's actually happening on the grounds great when we come back we'll continue our conversation about the dispute between the palestinians and the israelis with the palestinian political activist dr sami al-arian.

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welcome back on contact we continue our conversation about the disputes between the palestinians and the israelis with the palestinian activist dr sami al-arian so sami i want to talk about a couple things i want to focus on this very right wing shift within the israeli society something that i witnessed 1st went to israel lived in roussillon in the late eighty's it's a very different country but before we talk about that the biden ministration has been completely tone deaf there's no daylight between the kinds of statements that nancy pelosi or the secretary of state are making about what's happening

especially in gaza and the far right of the republican party does that surprise you . not at all i mean i've lived in the nexus of for decades of seen the stranglehold that scientists organizations particularly its lobby groups have on politicians i would. experience that firsthand when i was lobbying against the use of secretiveness in congress within the administration so we understand all that yet we see today that there is a crack major crack in that support yes the old is you know by them closely and others are since. still hostages basically to the israeli lobby but there are of many other politicians within congress with very few in the senate much fewer in the senate but also across the united states where this is in everything has been exposed and been rejected and we see even within the jewish communities a massive resistance to the interactive to this. cold that israel is

a democracy defending it's of this is no longer really no longer people believe this if they have any kind of an objective read of what's actually happening on the ground what they're doing is simply supporting an up or fight like regime and history tells us that this is that you know this is not going to continue because people would know better particularly now with with the with the with the there is no monopoly of information anymore when i came to an ice age and this is 1975 and beyond there were only 30 minutes of news at 630 you know a.b.c. n.b.c. c.b.s. that is no longer the case people are getting their information now from everywhere 247 and i don't think you can hide what the what is or is doing to the palestinians any more and if people would like to be on the side of repression in the sight of colonials settlers in the in the on the side of people who actually target and murder children then b.s. but one day or another they have to be called into account and that's what's going to happen i mean we see today that even people within congress that was unheard of

who come on the halls of congress in the well of the congress and criticize israeli behavior and call them the administration to be even handed least to call. a spade a spade and to talk about the because with these and the killing of children by israel by by american bombs i mean that put that that makes america coca-cola what's going on it's part of the problem not part of the solution and i think at one point or another the united states would be held to account and they would come and correct that particular position on the issue of the israeli right yes this has been going on that since 1977 slowly but surely and now for the past 15 years or so we see that the israeli right has now a total control of the israeli body politic the only difference is that the within themselves it's either the right or the of the extreme right or the ultra right it's not so there is no sense of anymore there is no left anymore and that's why they cannot form a government because everybody is competing within that camp to become the next

prime minister now they had 4 elections and they're probably going to end up with a 5th one because they can't decide who would be leading the israeli right and the israelis this road towards establishing greater israel but i think they will have a surprise is that you know we were thinking that they have already sort of the conflict by that and the palestinians have given up and i think we're back now to square one where they see that there are all the different 4 lines within that society not only they can form a government but they also cannot even have the palestinians. being totally dominated in a way that they can impose their will they can't impose their will in what i think the resistance is going to increase not decrease and i think within even the israeli society today they have been determined response of the men towards the rights of the palestinians. what has shocked me our 1st move to dru sloman 1988 i knew you had soccer being covered him he was of course assassinated

by a far right settler is the way these right wing settlers what is about a half 1000000 of whom now live in occupied territory have really seized control along with the most retrograde elements the former ca party which was outlawed but has been resurrected in. the. and then you have these right wing soccer hooligans and the hava movement which calls for the total expulsion of all palestinians inside israel in the occupied territories to neighboring arab states these have moved to the center of political power which was unthinkable before rabin's assassination and and of course we've now had 11 years of this with bibi netanyahu close ally of trump has built relationships

with other right wing governments in brazil and hungary and poland and everywhere else but i think that that shift that political shift is important to note because when i lived in israel the peace movement whatever its faults was was vibrant and its pen extinguished virtually and that makes israel in many ways a different country can you address that. absolutely i mean what you see today is a manifestation obviously of 12 years of an attempt to in polls israel and palestinians and work towards greater israel by drinking through a flawed process called oslo settlements throughout the years when also was signed back in 9394 there were 100 hardly 150000 settlers inside the occupied territories particular the west bank and jerusalem today the number over 800000 including east jerusalem which makes any kind of political settlement impossible now keep in mind

that much of these settler movements have been financed directly by u. s. the extremist jewish extremist particularly not sheldon adelson who who died few months ago who was actually the chief financier of the settlements around jerusalem today the problem in shamrock which is a district in jerusalem the the the the claim that these these buildings belong to a settler movement at least these movements are being financed by extreme of mit's within the united states in the united states and you know i'm getting even tax free at the tax free status so he did us has been part and parcel of this problem the extremist right has been part at the center of this and also the extreme the extremists in the in the united states you know those who actually financed both the lobbying in the us as well as the settlement movement in palestine israel now

in terms of israeli policies that they are singing the same tune of netanyahu and his right wing groups it in has been in power now for 12 years and he's quoted in 2001 right before he became a prime minister is that his main task is going to be to delay the raid and make sure that peace process is never cut does there's never succeed because his aim and that's his quote it's the internet anybody can google it. and hear him saying that in hebrew but they're also there is it was translation he said that he would make damn sure that there would be most of them and that is it will retain the properties and the west bank in jerusalem and throughout and now the fruition of this if you want to see the blueprint of how netanyahu thinks or what you have to do is go and read the so-called you know the century state of the century i call it in which you know they were trying to impose their will on the palestinians by creating pockets of can 2 months in the in the in the where in the language of

south african apartheid for palestinians was done isn't bridges an underground in which israel will have sovereignty throughout the police interests of his which is basically the total domination of one group over the other the classical definition of what colonialists at a project is that's what they are offering and the palestinians refuse and resist and that's going to continue that's not going to stop and when when the united states stops funding these attempts to impose a racial honey arche in terms of jewish supremacy the way whites of premises are trying to impose their will in their states over other. other races like blacks and latinos and others this is what we are confronted with and this is what needs to be this is what the struggle is all about and i think the history is on the side of those who fight for justice and fight for equality i can't see i can imagine that when the people when people in the united states get all the facts that they will side with use of premises or zionists or israelis are trying to impose their

will and take all the land from the river to the sea i think the end result is going to be the dismantlement of such a system that the ending of racial hierarchy the ending of a sense of claudius' the project and eventually that's going to take a lot of suffering a lot of blood a lot of. victims but that's the nature of sacrifices and in lieu week for every child when they die for every man and woman when they are insure than when they are being targeted but there is no other recourse i mean the word has failed us has betrayed the palestinians for 28 years because the palestinians come recognize is right and within 5 years you're going to have your rights in the west bank and gaza 28 years later it's even worse than it's ever been so i think the police in this are no longer no longer believe in such flawed processes the united states has to step up to the plate it's this as as much responsible to the suffering of the

palestinians as israelis are because they are enabling them to do what they want they are financing them to and giving them all the ammunitions every pull it that producing it was short of was made in the night states every plane was made in the message every bomb was was was was financed and imported and paid for and delivered to israel by the united states and united states that has to come to. realize that it is part of the problem and unless they do make a connection it's going to continue to suffer in this part of the where people do not hate america because they of their democracy or because of of their freedom people up. who are the policies of the next states because it is not just they try to punish the palestinians so that they can please the israelis i remember being in gaza after a bombing strike and picking up fragments from a bomb and a piece of it had made in dayton ohio i think that you would agree that the moment the united states pulls the plug that's why i support the boycott divestment and

sanctions movement that corny or sour project is not viable sak racked absolutely absolutely right i think this is a major part of the you know if if is a loses the support of the united states that will be the end of a project called apartheid israel we're going to have a new face in new era in which you could actually finally find peace in the middle east because then israel cannot on israel that we know today as an aggressive apartheid resist such a state would no longer be the case and i think that's when you actually see a major difference but that's a big if because it needs a lot of struggle not only against that system in palestine but also within the united states and that puts a lot of. focus on the movements now coming in the us to ask for equality and to ask for the end of the support of america to to israel whether it's through b.d.s.

or other means but the goal is clear and the goal is to end up parties in palestine israel and also to call for the full restoration of palestinian rights after so much suffering great thank you that was palestinian political activist dr sami al-arian. oh you. should.

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