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the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan sent me well, we in budapest, he is a podcast at the gaggle, which can be found on youtube rumble and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor it, you know, it's me internet media project. i gentlemen crossed our rules and the fact that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to george 1st in budapest, george, you know, the, it used to be when we were coming up as it were, sanctions were something that were done very selectively with a very poignant, directed, targeted outcome. it was a very specific surgical instrument if we can use that german in regards to diplomacy. now it says belong to objects be swinging it around to see what they can destroy, what they can impact what they can change. it's always changing behavior,
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which is a very, very arrogant way of defining politics. why is it become that? because is it just because it's a substitute for solutions to substitute for diplomacy because it's implications. are quite amazing. we'll talk about later about how it's changing the world and it's not working for the people that sanction go ahead. george. exactly right. if you look at what international law states, it's spelled out in the un charter. i mean this article, 51. you have a right to self defense, therefore you have a right to resort to sanctions against somebody who is conducting aggressive actions toward you. and as the sanctions that can be imposed by the un security council. but only a very specific circumstance of which is that the security council can only because it is the target the state in some way, violating international law if it is
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a threat to international peace. what is now happening is that the european union, and of course, the united states is using sanctions in and ignoring the united nations and ignoring even the minimum that they would have to go. which is, is there a threat to peace? is anyone threatened? if you look at the russia now found the how is anything that's happening, you do not need any kind of a business of any other state low threat to international peace? no threatened to national or the i looked at the just the when this, what happened this week is with that arose. if you look at the international water, the passengers will all lead out and permitted to go and head towards the waiting as it was supposed to do. the only person who was arrested was a bela citizen. now we can argue about the rights and wrongs of that,
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but in no way was the international community affected by. so that was what the us and the you were saying, no basis after all an engine. even on top of that, the use of sanctions under international law can be deemed as an act of war. so in that sense, it is disturbing the piece that it's supposed to be maintaining. it's kind of contradictory here in a game of the rush is, is on the receiving end of a lot of sanctions, other countries around his way. after all this my entire lifetime, cuba is still under sanctioned by the united states, but it's not yielding results. i mean, if it's hunter, if it's pon panama, if it's a weak country in africa, you might have a little bit more luck. but i mean, if a country has resource and, and resolve, it can usually find these things back and, and what it does is it creates frustration for the country that is creating
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sanctions. i think it need double down instead of rethinking the whole process. that's what we see right now. go ahead. oh, well, what we're seeing in beller, which is exactly, you know, an example ineffectiveness and absurdity. oh, thank sounds. just a small correction. what george just said. it just broke the russian activist who was arrested. it was also a young woman who accompanied him, who is a russian citizen, but who dissipate that, you know, joy and up the lists of russian. policemen who, you know, disbursed their radius in the in means last year. and the aim wants to target these policemen, to make them valuable, to at least, you know, public pool dest, you know, gaming using g docs that exactly, but whatever, she's rushing. so russia is helping her diplomatically to get out of this. and of
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course, our 1st impulse is to he'll be due for this young man 26 years old. well, this young woman even younger than him. and i feel that the russian need, you know, i have the man, i don't feel pity. ok. i mean the yeah. i'm sorry, man, wanted to talk to this person or a very, very good reason and it's very well documented. i mean, what we can discuss here in georgia, i've done great lang is the poor thing of the landing of the plan, the, the plane, the means by which was huge. i think that that is questionable. the fact that they wanted to speak to this individual. there's no question about that at all though. yes. oh, i mean, if we all remember ourselves that they, you're 26. you know, we all had different opinions and probably will be a shame for a lot of things we did that age. but these guy did participate in the civil war in your brain. he was infamous, although, but daily, which was described as
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a not now not organization, even the, of the british and american media. so there reasons why he should have been arrested and he was arrested when he was on the rush and legally you know that there is one point personal sympathy, that there is another sphere that is the war. but when they shut off the bill, russian space and when they are building, they want to impose sanctions on just about all the industries including the most important one capital. what will be the result? there are which will move goals to russia simply because there is no other way for this country to live. in the same way. i mean, the sanctions which were imposed on the iraq and which were found during all the 9 years until 2003. the main reason was we remember the reparation. my son was seen to
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a war with the use of weapons of mass destruction. the weapon, so once you start, you were not found. so the sanctions, in fact, we're dreaming though, you know, they lead to the deaths of thousands. so we write to children. you know, i'm not talking about the war, you know, which was, of course, much great. the cry, but the sanctions very crime. and this week we had an article in the corner mist which said, i'm just quoting, it's an address to way to change other states be the sanctions. when you pull the seal own is insufficient. military force is dorski or have you handled? well, let me translate that into a blaming dish. we the west, you sang cells when we're too stupid to use deport machine, or when we're too cowardly to use the need a true false because sanctions is not diplomacy. sanctions is another form of war, you know, and you use it very often when you are in a great state. and unfortunately,
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this is exactly what we have seen in iraq. what i've seen with you before, again with yoga florida, you know they're, they're sanctions were imposed because supposedly mon washer, which was mistreating the banyan minority. and the people believed in the western press reported the 120000 bill billions were followed by the serbs. and if you disagree the 3rd time you remember, you were called a flight in the bridge in the bridge press in the american press in the west, in general. it was supposed to be iron cliff, right? and then it turned out to be a lie because they were gotten used to live about almost all of these other and let me say i boarded state supported conspiracy theories. but george, the, the, the interesting thing, i mean, the minority kind of gave us inside here. i mean, we have a choice, it's not very many, but it does have choices. and one of them is more reliance on russia,
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which would seem counter productive to what the west has been trying to nudge away from its closeness to russia. but i mean on a much broader scale here. i mean, sanctions usually involve using financial instruments, meaning a politicizing, the dollar in the financial system here. but now people that it's are saying in companies even or thing, but state certainly that we have to get out of the dollar. ok, because the americans and their allies to politicize that. and so that the grades that the currency of the dollar, which are predominantly they want to remain, had had demonic. but it's being counterproductive. we have this whole idea of beyond the west new institutions, financial institution trading in the jewish and here and, and because this is that they want rules based, but people say we don't think your roles. we don't understand because they're all one sided. we'll make our own set of rules. go ahead, but that's good. but that was always been the case historically with sanctions
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because sanctions, which supposedly had their objective undermining or weakening regardless, really led to the strengthening of the government. but because now the government could turn to the beacon and say, look, you know, we're being targeted, i'm just targeted and thereby acquired certain amounts of legitimacy from the public. moreover, it allows government actually greater power because now they are justified in utilizing the resources of their country in order to fight off sanctions. so therefore, you know, castro subjected to an embargo by the united states because i'm the subject of aggression by the united states. i'm wondering i would just mention about in the case of iraq during the $990.00, is it that was one of the few cases in which actually the sanctions were just justified by the united nations security council. and that was a good reason for that because at least in that case it was, they were here,
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there was supposedly, you know, he's violating the nonproliferation treaty now. yeah. he was and, but nonetheless, that was a difference. what was the live and that goes with the iran. russia went along with the thanks for iran. russia went along with the sanctions against north korea visa, un security council sanctions. but what was interesting about that is that it was supposedly targeted, but in fact they weren't targeted the ordinary people, for the very reason that you can't just simply pick and choose and say, well, you can't have and you can't import anything that leads you to build weapons of mass structure, which means you can't import chemicals that you need for fertilizers that you need for. these are the nation that you need what? sanitation. and you can't import a power generators as soon as so that's why is it individual citizen suffer? because the only thing that you'll use, so maybe you will have this,
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you can have all the talk. where will these are the target to the sectors or targets are we on touching civilians is align anytime just a civilians. yeah, i mean the do use argument hearing you could even, you know, probably make an argument that baby food has a daily and, and they were rapidly running out of time year. but essentially what it does is it punishes the weakest and the poorest of these countries, not the governments here. i, gerald, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real, stay with the ah, in an entire village in alaska has had to move. if another country threaten to wipe out an american. we do everything in our power to project in water escaping
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the welcome to cross up. were all things considered on peter lavelle? this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news. i okay, let's go back to the ma here in moscow. and let's switch gears and we'll talk about what's going on and be with parents has been in the news a lot over the last few months. and not always in the ways that we'd like. obviously, the latest data point we have is where president lucas shank met with president putin in salty. the readout was kind of a big, boring, very stayed. they discuss different issues. they focused on the recent events that were going on with the the apprehension of a, of a, a citizen wanted by mens. and they talked about them coping. what's the
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relationship right now? because what the west has been trying to do is, what was the george a 3000000000 dollar dollars will give you, you know, you know, a chump change, you know, to do what we want the, they turned it down. we have this believe what is allegedly a coup attempt recently against the government and minutes here, and now speed up to the president of the russian president city, i'm sorry, talking to boot and is that what western powers wanted ahead demur? well, of course, it's one of the western powers, one to the western powers, in fact, were defeated by their own patriots. you know, on the one hand, they have trash so much that whatever put in is trying to do it in the former soviet union. they always tried to do the opposite. so when christian call last year, arrested suited 3 russian nationals in music and declared that they wanted to topple him on his own office from moscow. the way believed it. and the end all the
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newspapers bought it just read it, you know, all of them wanted who can think or one who can secret. and there was the reason why they didn't support the protest in the very beginning. you know, when they were ready dangerous for all the other hand, the worst case will question and this is sound to who question could cannot understand because the western hatred is ideal. would you call you racial? you know, oh gosh, i was visited by the atlantic council members in the end of 2000 and the g. and i challenge our critics to look at the goals. what these people told shinkel. we respect you, alexandra ball and the other saying that, you know, we spent the russian soldier and we will help you to protect it from russia, you know. and then these people obviously supported a pretty dangerous, you know, sometimes violent, protest actions embellish which, of course,
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gets it against wickersham and, and believe me beller ocean nationalists. i mean, our nationalists are no better than the reading. in fact, that handled better than the russian was there. also, your racial should be mind sometimes violent and that's why they're there. they're perfect agents for the western powers. ok, they want to repeat what they did it in ukraine, georgia. the go to you. this whole strategy coming from the west is appalling. we stupid. ok a create the negative return. if they just simply respected the problem 3 sovereignty and allowed the people of beers to decide their own bait. it might actually work out better better. but the more they do this, the more they solidify his our, i mean, if these people are just b list years, i mean big time. yeah, exactly, and that's all as what we've been talking about was that you impose pressure sanctions against a solomon. the more you strengthen that government,
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you are not going to remove lucca shan't go by sanctions. leslie leslie, the sanctions were effected. what, what would be the, what would be the actual effect of the things out? you would have either misery and starvation on the, on the part of the public, or you would have a civil war in the public. all. basically, you know, the russians would move in. not none of these scenarios are in any way to the benefits of the same people. and when you think of way with the eastern partnership made those eastern european union decent partnership or we're going to move all the state of georgia. ukraine are made by john, going to move them all out from russia's influence and bring them all over to the west influence. so if you're going to proceed with that policy and why you don't have to look at shanker, it makes absolutely no sense. so they, you know, one day,
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you know, that you have mike on bail flying into men's can say, you know, we've got the oil that we can sell, you know, you, you know, you know, you don't need to buy well from the russian. you know, you can buy our oil next next day. you know, we need to get rid of the gotcha and go with an absolutely no idea what he's doing . you know, game of the going, you want to jump in there demon. i want them to pick up 11, ga greatly, you know, there is some training in the west on the one hand, they keep saying, own question was put in spot that, you know, he's putting up if she never does any independent to you. and then what we should in gord, walker shall bellows in the partnership, you know, to move him away from russia. we support the russian sovereignty. yeah, we support rational sovereignty, but we're going to see will build russian space because the they, they went to the plane and the rest of the model of our agents, you know, call
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a spade a spade protest. she was. busy an ease they are agent. so there is a, this is a frame. yeah. and sometimes it's a friendly, it gets a violently dangerous, you know, let me just quote, an article problem the next day that you know, it's written by models, petite is editors, road legal? and it's kind of like my plan for bill. it was, let me just put a little rice that he would be could be if off saturday, has been displayed the international way to bone means. even though the article says that we should put a price tag on cash and have you know, that would teach cash or something and why, why she suggested to do it? why if you're not happy with the sanctions, because both of, oh gosh, i'm going to use the tears in more school. i locked in about the nova, do nothing. and well, this is what i said. what was this is what is more dangerous when the western press outraging. oh, they're like locked in their box off in, in more school,
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they're locked in their box or in the, in bar dot, they're locked into a box or in belgrade. what it means. it means that the west is preparing for another war because they, you know, they get mad when someone lost that, you know, they say that i'd like to make these people cry. the world isn't locked in at the west because the west to erase, you know, i mean take me if i can tear a page from your play book, it's because it's ideal logically driven. that is why it ends up being irrational and how they come out on the, on the wrong side of so many issues. because they have this case where they have lucas behavior. and they're trying to find the right combination where they can win on both accounts, which is kind of silly. it's an interesting exercise and they pay a lot of people to sit in. an air conditioned office is outside of langley thinking about these. they knew they la loca shackle, when luka shall go, quarrels with these are the only moments when they walk him. and also all of these
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has nothing to do, of course, with international law and get it, you know, we haven't been talking about sanctions against the north stream, but nor stream is a rush and german project. what business does tonight of space have to impose sanctions on this project? it's like rushing posing sanctions on a pipeline from banks. you go to the united states, but no one is object and you know, you're just being to send it to a logical here. ok. because you know, they, it's all about had demonic power of, you know, why, why the countries like, you know, they do that because they can do it. ok that's, that's, that's simple as it gets. and it's very, very american here. george, let me go to you. i mean, when you did these, these co planners, how many i deal with the structure of the, of the be a russian economy. how many of the workers actually work, but the state,
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what percentage of trade goes to rushing here? mean, are they going to come in and have a buyer sale? so all state property, sell it to western corporations in a misery, the country, or basically duplicate the, the catastrophic outcome that they had ukraine. i mean again, we the 1st part of the part we talked about thinking this is a form of sanctions, but they won't do because it's in the service of their ideology. it has nothing to do with geology store, no, none at all. and, and that's where they can't accept that lucas and go actually has a following. he's really, he's quite popular in better or maybe not 80 percent, but almost certainly above 50 percent. precisely because he didn't you the west, the neo liberal model of fire sales of the manufacturing industry and being essentially supplicants of the west. it didn't go the path of ukraine. and it's, then, this is what the united states is now and blinking,
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and 5 and recommending to ukraine, you know, just fell over the, you know, your gym, everything over to us. so you know, they want to take, they want to take it away from the ukranian, all of ours and give it to the western all. and i got a model that they want for rosa because it has no following. and that's why these people like, you know, those are also absurd. how would you hope to win an election in bella rose when she 1st of all, calling for sanctions against our own country? i mean i how do you, how are you hope to enjoy? we do have the example of what's his name, why do i guess she's the one to know exactly. you're rushing. why go and then and then supporting just these very follow up. let's get rid of all is manufacturing industry will be very successful or, you know, they have each bar in the integrated into the russian economy. they have a market in russia. let's get rid of that. i just sell everything off to the western only gonna, i will. this is the west. this is the,
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this is the one that the west is backing. there's no way in the world that this person will enjoy any kind of support. and as you say, we have the why don't model this is no, no, and george, what does bell roof produced where they can sell to europe. we don't have much time, but i don't think there are very many things where there is an interesting and dynamic sector in the country. we have to point that out, but most of it's heavy manufacturing would not be accepted in the european union. and that's why they founded in, in the russian market demand give you the last 50 seconds. go ahead. oh, well, just let me point out. the question is often criticized and russia, when he told us, you know, was that nato command in europe in 2001 or just promised to support him and no rush and solar. and of course, there wasn't what the critique because she was in sequential and sometimes indeed cruel. but it doesn't mean that who can teach him in the way that they are
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suggesting gain a call from the article tree as they would like to state street. it would be in the law, the put the price on your credit threads on matters. the us shot the pre, the man us or war. and what is it? it's not a matter of i don't know if you are choking or laughing or having a choking laugh. ok. but here are countries that are saying we should support international law. a specific norms and values and basically are calling from cold blooded murder. that's what we get. this is all i do want you to be driven. i gentlemen will run out of time. i want to thank my guest in budapest and here in moscow. i don't want to think our viewers are watching us here at ortiz the next time, remember, ah, ah, look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a
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