the sense of which is that the security council can only impose it if the target, the state is in some way violating international law if it is a threat to international peace. what is now happening is that the european union, and of course, the united states is using sanctions in and ignoring the united nations and ignoring even the minimum that they would have to go. which is, is there a threat to peace? is anyone threat? and if you look at russia now, found the how is anything that's happening, you do not need any kind of a business of any other state low threat to international peace, no threats international. the i looked at the just the, when this, what happened this week with the roof. if you look at the international water, the passengers will all lead out and permitted to go and head towards the waiting

as it was supposed to do. the only person who was arrested was a bela citizen. now we can argue about the rights and wrongs of that. but in no way was the international community affected by so that will lead what the us and the you are saying, no basis after all an engine. even on top of that, the use of sanctions under international law can be deemed as an act of war. so in that sense, it is disturbing the peace that is supposed to be maintaining its kind of contradictory here in a game at the rushes is on the receiving end of a lot of sanctions, other countries around his way. after all this, my entire lifetime, cuba is still under sanctioned by the united states, but it's not yielding results. i mean, if it's 100, if it's on panama, if it's a weak country in africa, you might have a little bit more luck. but i mean, if a country has resource and, and resolve, it can usually find these things back and,

and what it does is it creates frustration for the country that is creating sanctions. i think it need double down instead of rethinking the whole process. that's what we see right now. go ahead. oh, well, what we're seeing in beller, which is exactly, you know, an example ineffectiveness and absurdity of sanctions. just a small correction with george just said it just broke the russian activist who was arrested. it was also a young woman who accompanied him, who is a russian citizen, but who dissipate that enjoy and up the lists all the russian, policemen who, you know, dispersed their radius in the means last year. and the aim was to target the police been to make them valuable to at least, you know, public pool dest, you know, jamie use the g dot the, exactly, whatever she's

a russian citizen. so russia is helping her diplomatically to get out of this. and of course, our 1st impulse is to, he'll be due for this young man, 26 years old for this young woman, even younger than him. and i feel that and a lot of russia need, you know, i have the man, i don't feel pity. ok. i mean, the yeah, i'm sorry. nick wanted to talk to this person were a very, very good reason and it's very well documented. i mean that what we can discuss here in georgia, i've done a great length, is the poor thing of the landing of the plan, the, the plane, the means by which was huge. i think that that is questionable. the fact that they wanted to speak to this individual, there's no question about that at all. so i guess, well, i mean, if we all remember ourselves that they, you're 26, you know, we all had different opinions and probably will be a shame for a lot of things we did that age. but these guy did participate in the civil war in

your brain. he was infamous, although, but elliana, which was described as a not now not organization, even the of the british and american media. so there were reasons why he should have been arrested and he was arrested when he was on the rush and legally you know that there is one point 1st, no sympathy, that there is another sphere that is the war. but when they shut off the bill, russian space and when they are building, they want to impose sanctions on just about all the industries including the most important one capital. what will be the result? there are which will move goals to russia simply because there is no other way for this country to live. in the same way. i mean, the sanctions which were imposed on iraq and which were found during all the 9 years until 2003. the main reason was we remember

the reparation by saddam hussein to a war with the use of weapons of mass destruction. the weapons was to start who were not phone. so the sanctions, in fact, we're dreaming though, you know, they lead to the deaths of thousands. so we write to children, you know, i'm not talking about the war, you know, which was of course, much, great, the cry, but the sanctions very crime. and this week we had an article in the corner which said, i'm just quoting, it's an address to way to change other states where the sanctions, when you pull the seal own is insufficient, military force is dorski or heavy hand. well, let me translate that into blaming dish. we the west, you sang cells when we're too stupid to use deport machine, or when we're too cowardly to use the needed to force because sanctions is not diplomacy. sanctions is another form of war,

you know. and you use it very often when you are in a great state. and unfortunately, this is exactly what we have seen in iraq. what we have seen with you before that again, with yoga florida, you know they're, they're sanctions were imposed because supposedly the water which was mistreating the banyan minority and the people believed in the western press reported that 120000 to billions were all done by the serbs, and if you disagree it at the time you remember, you were called the flag in the bridge in the british press and the american press in the west, in general. it was supposed to be iron cliff, right. and then it turned out to be a lie because there were gotten used to live about almost all of these other and that makes a boarded state supported conspiracy theory. but george, the, the, the interesting thing, i mean, the minority kind of a game is inside here. i mean, we have a choice, it's not very many,

but it does have choices. and one of them is more reliance on russia, which would seem counter productive to what the west has been trying to nudge. there was a way from it's closeness to russia, but i mean on a much broader scale here. i mean, sanctions usually involve using financial instruments, meaning a politicizing, the dollar in the financial system here. but now people are saying in companies even or thing, but state certainly that we have to get out of the dollar. ok, because the americans and their allies have politicize that. and so that degrades the currency of the dollar, which predominantly they want to remain, had had demonic. but it's being counterproductive. we have this whole idea of beyond the west new institutions, financial institution trading institutions here and, and because this is that they want rules based, but people say we don't think your roles. we don't understand because they're all one sided. we'll make our own set of rules. go ahead. well,

that's good. but that was always been the case historically with sanctions because sanctions, which supposedly had their objective undermining or weakening regardless, really led to the strengthening of the government. because now the government could turn to the beacon and say, look, you know, we're being targeted, i'm just targeted and thereby acquires certain amounts of legitimacy from the public. moreover, it allows government actually greater power because now they, they are justified in utilizing the resources of their country in order to fight off sanctions. so therefore, castro subjected to an embargo by the united states because i am the subject of aggression by the united states. one thing i would just mention about in the case of iraq during the $990.00 is in that was one of the few cases in which actually the sanctions were just justified by the united nations security council. and that

was a good reason for that because at least in that case it was, they were here, there was supposedly, you know, he's violating the nonproliferation treaty now. yeah. he was and, but nonetheless, that was the difference. what was the live and that's see goes with the iran. russia went along with the thanks for iran. russia went along with the sanctions against north korea visa, un security council sanctions. but what was interesting about that is that it was supposedly targeted, but in fact they weren't targeted. live ordinary people. for the very reason that you can't just simply pick and choose and say, well, you can't have and you can't import anything that leads to labor. you to build weapons of mass destruction, which means you guardian border chemicals that you need for further lies is that you need for the saudi nation that you need. sanitation, and you can't import a power generators as soon as so that's why is it individual citizen suffer?

because the only thing that you'll use, so maybe you will have this. you can have all the talk work. well, these are the targets at the sectors or targets are we on touching civilians is a line anytime just a civilians. yeah, i mean the do use argument hearing and you could even, you know, probably make an argument that baby food has a daily and, and they were rapidly running out of time year. but essentially what it does is it punishes the mean, the weakest and the poorest of these countries, not the government here. i, gerald, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real things, stay ah ah ah

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the latest data point we have is where president lucas shank of met with president putin in sochi. and the readout was kind of a bit boring, very stayed, they discuss different issues. they focused on the recent events that were going on with the, the apprehension of a, of a, a citizen wanted by mens. and they talked about them a cobit, what's the relationship right now? because what the west has been trying to do is, what was the george a 3000000000 dollars dollars will give you, you know, you know, a chump change, you know, to do what we want the, they turned it down. we have this believe what is allegedly a coup attempt recently against the government and men's gear, and now speed up to the president of the revolution president city, i'm sorry, talking to boot and is that what western powers wanted ahead demur? well, of course it's want the western powers wanted the western powers, in fact,

were defeated by their own interests. you know, on the one hand they have trash or so much that whatever put in is trying to do in the former soviet union. they always try to do the opposite. so when will question cool last year arrest, that's due to 3 russian nationals in minsk and declared that they wanted to couple here on this office from law school. the believe it and, but all the news was bought, it just read it. you know, all of them wanted who can thinker one who can secret. and there was the reason why they didn't support the protest in the very beginning. you know, when they were ready dangerous for all the other hand, the west pates will crush and this is fountain who cannot understand because the western trade, which is idea, would you call the racial, you know, oh gosh, i was visited by the atlantic council members in the end of 2000, the g and i challenge our critics to look at the goals,

you know what these people told shinkel. we respect you, alex and they're very bull. and the other saying that, you know, we respect bill russian soldier and we have to be, we'll help you to protect it from russia, you know. and then these people obviously supported a pretty dangerous, you know, sometimes violent protest sections in embellish, which were of course targeted against wickersham. and believe me beller ocean nationalists. i mean out, nationalists are no better than the agreed. and in fact, they handle better than the russian was there also, you ration of the mind sometimes violent, and that's why they're there. they're perfect agent for the western powers. ok, they want to repeat what they did it and ukraine, georgia go to you. this whole strategy coming from the west is appallingly stupid. ok, a creates negative return if they just simply respected the country sovereignty and

allow the people of beers to decide their own fate. it might actually work out that are better. but the more they do this, the more they solidify his, our, i mean it, these people are just b list years. i mean, big time. yeah, exactly, and that's all as what we've been talking about. so that the more that you impose pressure sanctions against a solomon, the more you strengthen that government, you are not going to remove lucca shan't go by sanctions. i mean, let's say, let's say the sanction or effect what, what would be the, what would be the actual effect of the things out? you would have either misery and salvation on the, on the part of the public. or you would have a civil war in the public. all basically, you know, the russians would move in. not none of these scenarios are in any way to the benefits of the people and, and when you think of way with the eastern partnership,

later, eastern european union decent partnership or we're going to move all the state. you know, baylor was georgia ukraine army by john, going to move them all out from russia's influence and bring them all over to the west influence. so if you're going to pursue with a policy and why you don't have to look at shanker, it makes absolutely no sense. so they, you know, one day, you know, that you have mike on bail flying into men's saying, you know, right, we've got the oil that we can sell, you know, you, you know, you know, you don't need to buy well from the russian. you know, you can buy our oil next next day. you know, we need to get rid of the question and go with an absolutely no idea what we're doing demon the going. you want to jump in there demon. i want them to pick up 11 ga like greatly, you know, there is some training in the west on the one hand,

they keep saying, own question was put in a spot that, you know, he's putting up if she never does any independent job. and then what we should in good shape. what is the partnership, you know, to move to move april russia. we support the russian sovereign. yeah. with support ration. so we're going to see will be russian space because the they, they went to the plane and the rest of the model of our agents, you know, school a spade a spade protest. she was an ease they are agent. so there is a, this is a frame. yeah. and sometimes it's a friendly, it gets a violently dangerous, you know, let me just called an article problem the next day that, you know, it's written by vital spectators editors, road leader. and it's kind of like my plan for bell, it was, let me just a little writes that he would be. b, e foss said to the had been designated international way to both means. even though the art goes to says that we should put

a price tag on lucas should have, you know, that would teach shank or something. and why, why she suggested to do it? why? if you're not happy with the sanctions, because both walker shall go and use the tears more school a lot about the know will do nothing. and this is what i hate most. and this is what is more dangerous. when the western press writing. oh, they're like locked in their box off in, in more school, they're locked in their box or in the, in box dot, they're locked in the box, or in belgrade. what it means. it means that the west is preparing for another war because they, you know, they get mad when someone lost that, you know, they say that i'd like to make these people cry. the world isn't locked in that the west because the west erase. you know, i mean, take me if i can tear a page from your play book, it's because it's the idea logically driven. that is why it ends up being

irrational and how they come out on the, on the wrong side of so many issues. because they have this case where they have lucas behavior. and they're trying to find the right combination where they can win on both accounts, which is kind of philly. it's an interesting exercise. and they pay a lot of people to sit in in an air conditioned office is outside of langley thinking about these things. they law, look, i shall go when lucre shall go. quarrels with these are the only moments where they love him. and also all of these has nothing to do, of course, with international law and get it back. we haven't been talking about sanctions against the north stream, but no stream is a rushing driven project. what business does tonight the space have to impose sanctions? so this project is like crushing poles and thanks. it's on a pipeline from banks, you go to the states, but no one is object and you know, you're just being to send it to

a logical here. ok. because you know they, it's all about had demonic power. if you, you know why, why countries like, you know, they do that because they can do it. ok that, that, that, that, that was a guess and it's very, very eric, you're george, let me go to you. i mean, when you know these co planners, how many i, b, l, the structure of the, of the be a russian economy. how many of the workers actually work, but the state, what percentage of trade goes to rushing here? mean, are they getting this come in and have a fire sale? so all state property, so it to western corporations in a misery, the country, or basically duplicate the, the catastrophic outcome that they had ukraine. i mean again, we the 1st part of the problem we talk about thanks. and this is a form of sanctions, but they won't do because it's in the service of their ideology. it has nothing to do with your politics door, no, none at all. and. and that's why they can't accept that luca. she actually has

a following, he's really, he's quite popular in bella. was maybe not 80 percent, but almost certainly above 50 percent. precisely because he didn't you the west, the neo liberal model of fire sales of the manufacturing industry and being essentially supplicants of the west. it didn't go the parts. 1 of ukraine, and then this is what united states is now blinking and 5 and recommending to ukraine, you know, just fell over the, you know, with your, give everything over to us. so you know, they want to take because they want to take it away from the ukranian, all of our it's been given to the western oligarchy. and i forgot to model that one for the rosa because you have no following. and that's why these people like, you know, those also observed how good she hoped to win an election in bella rose when she, 1st of all calling for sanctions against her own country. i how you,

how you hope to enjoy. we do have the example of what's his name. why? like if she's the know exactly you're rushing. why and them and then supporting just these very follow up. let's get rid of all is manufacturing industry will be very successful or, you know, they, it's barley integrated into the russian economy. they have a market in russia. let's get rid of that. i just sell everything off to the west and i will, this is the west person. this is the, this is the one of the western banking. there's no way in the world that this person will enjoy any kind of support. and as you say, we have the why don't model where this is now in georgia. what does bare room produce where they can sell to europe? we don't have much time, but i don't think there are very many thing where there is an interesting and dynamic sector in the country. we have to point that out, but most of it's heavy manufacturing would not be accepted in the european union. and that's why they founded in, in the russian market demand give you the last 50 seconds. go ahead. oh, well,

just let me point out. the question is often criticized to russia. when he told us, you know, was that nato command in europe in 2001 or just promised to support him and no rush and saw that. and of course there was a lot of critique because she was in consequential and sometimes indeed cruel. but it doesn't mean that who can teach him in the way the spectator suggest, again, a call from the article tree. and as they would like to state street, it would be a lot of them put their price on your credit threads on matters. the us shot the pre, the man us or war and what is it if it's not a man, i don't know if you are choking or laughing or having a choking laugh. ok. but here are countries that are say, we should support international law, a specific norms and values, and basically are calling from cold blooded murder. that's what we get. this is all

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