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news the news ah. hello and welcome to cross stock where all things considered peter about imposing sanctions and the country used to be a policy of last resort. that is not the case today. now, washington sanction scores of countries and even threatened sanctions against. suppose the allies do sanctions work? no, not really. also we have an update on beer, was i

to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guess, jordan sent me well we in budapest, he is in podcast or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube rumble and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor at, you know, me internet media project or a gentleman crossed our rules in the fact that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to george 1st in budapest and george, you know, the, it used to be when we were coming up as it were, sanctions were something that were done very selectively with a very poignant, directed, targeted outcome. it was a very specific surgical instrument. if we can use that german in regards to diplomacy, now it's this blunt objects be swinging it around to see what they can destroy, what they can impact what they can change. it's always about changing behavior, which is a very, very arrogant way of day use defining politics. why is it

become that? because is it just because to substitute for solutions to substitute for diplomacy because it's implications are quite amazing. we'll talk about later about how it's changing the world and it's not working for the people that sanction go ahead george. oh, that's exactly right. if you look at what international law states it's spelled out in the un charter. i mean this article, 51. you have a right to self defense, therefore you have a right to result the sanctions against somebody who is conducting aggressive actions toward you. and as the sanctions that can be imposed by the un security council. but only a very specific circumstance of which is that the security council can only posted if the target, the state is in some way violating international law if it is a threat to international peace. what is now happening is that the european

union, and of course, the united states is using sanctions in and ignoring the united nations and ignoring even the minimum that they would have to do. which is, is there a threat to peace? is anyone threatened? if you look at russia now found it's how is anything that's happening, do not need any kind of the business of any of the state, low threat to international peace, no threats, international or the i looked at the just the when this, what happened this week with the roof, if you look at the international water, the passengers will all lead out and permitted to go and head towards the way as it was supposed to do. the only person who was arrested was a better citizen. now we can argue about, you know, the rights and wrongs of that,

but in no way was the international community affected by. so that was the, what the us and the, you will say has no basis at all an engine. even on top of that, the use of sanctions under international law can be deemed as an act of war. so in that sense, it is disturbing the piece that it's supposed to be maintaining. it's kind of contradictory here in a demon the, the rush is, is on the receiving end of a lot of sanctions. other countries around been, is way after all this my entire lifetime, cuba is still under sanctioned by the united states, but it's not yielding results. i mean, if it's hunter, if it's con panama, if it's a weak country in africa, you might have a little bit more luck. but i mean, if a country has resource and resolve, it can usually find these things back. and, and what it does is it creates frustration for the country that is creating sanctions. i think it's been doubled down instead of rethinking the whole process

as we see right now. go ahead. oh, well, what we're seeing in beller, which is exactly, you know, an example ineffectiveness and absurdity. oh thank sense. just a small correction. what george just said. it just broke the belt russian activist who was arrested. it was also a young woman who accompanied him, who is a russian citizen, but who dissipate that joy and up the lists of russian. policemen who, you know, disbursed their radius in the means last year. and the aim wants to target these policemen, to make them valuable, to at least, you know, public pool dest, you know, gaming using g docs. exactly, but whatever, she's rushing. so russia is helping her diplomatically to get out of this. and of

course, our 1st impulse is to feel, be due for the young man 26 years old. well, this young woman even younger than him. and i feel that the russian need, you know, i have the man, i don't feel pity. ok. i mean the yeah. i'm sorry mens wanted to talk to this person for a very, very good reason and it's very well documented. i mean that what we can discuss here in georgia, i've done a great length, is the poor thing of the landing of the plan, the, the plane, the means by which was huge. i think that that is questionable. the fact that they wanted to speak to this individual, there's no question about that at all. oh yes. oh, i mean, if we all remember ourselves that they, you're 26. you know, we all had different opinions and probably will be a shame for a lot of things we did that age. but these guy did participate in the civil war in your brain. he was infamous, although, but daily, which was described as a not now not sure organization, even the,

of the british and american media. so there reasons why he should have been arrested and he was arrested when he was on the rush and legally, you know that there is one point personal sympathy that there is another, you know, sir, that is the war. but when they shut off the bill, russian aerospace and when they are building, they want to impose sanctions on just about all the industries, including the most important one, kill. what will be the result? there are which will move goals to russia simply because there is no other way for this country to live. in the same way. i mean, the sanctions which were imposed on the iraq and which were found during all the 9 years until 2003. the main reason was we remember the reparation. why saddam hussein to a war with the use of weapons of mass destruction, the weapon. so once you start and we're not phone, so the sanctions, in fact,

we're dreaming though, you know, they lead to the deaths of thousands. so we write to children. you know, i'm not talking about the war, you know, which was of course, much great, the cry, but the sanctions very crime. and this week we had an article in the corner mist, which said, i'm just quoting, it's an address to way to change other states be the sanctions. when the policy alone is insufficient, military force is dorski already handled. well, let me translate that into blaming. we the west, you sang, so when we are too stupid to use deport machine or when we're to car would lead to use the needed tree force because sanctions is not diplomacy. sanctions is another form of war, you know. and you use it very often when you are in a great state. and unfortunately, this is exactly what we have seen in iraq. what we have seen with you before that

again with your florida, you know, the sanctions were imposed because supposedly mon washer, which was mistreating the banyan minority. and the people believed in the western press report that the 120002 billions were followed by the serbs. and if you disagree the 3rd time you remember you were called a flight in the bridge. in the british press in the american press in the west, in general, it was supposed to be iron cliff, right. and then it turned out to be a lie because they were gotten used to live about almost all of these other. and that makes boarded state supported conspiracy theories. but george, the, the, the interesting thing, i mean, the minority kind of gave us inside here. i mean, we have a choice. it's not very many, but it does have choices. and one of them is more reliance on russia, which would seem counter productive to what the west has been trying to nudge away

from its closeness to russia. but i mean on a much broader scale here. i mean, sanctions usually involve using financial instruments, meaning a politicizing, the dollar in the financial system here. but now people that it's are saying in companies even are saying, but states certainly that we have to get out of the dollar. ok, because the americans and their allies to politicize that. and so that the grades that the currency of the dollar, which are predominantly they want to remain, had had demonic. but it's being a counterproductive. we have this whole idea of beyond the west new institutions, financial institution trading in the jewish and here and, and because this is that they want rules based, but people say we don't think your roles. we don't understand because they're all one sided. we'll make our own set of rules. go ahead. well, that's good. but that was always been the case historically with sanctions because sanctions, which supposedly had their objective undermining or weakening regardless,

really led to the strengthening of the government. because now the government could turn to the beacon and say, look, you know, we're being targeted, i'm just targeted and thereby acquired certain amounts of legitimacy from the public. moreover, it allows double and actually greater power because now they are justified in utilizing the resources of their country in order to fight off sanctions. so therefore, you know, castro subjected to an embargo by the united states because i am the subject of aggression by the united states. one thing i would just mention about in the case of iraq during the $990.00 is in that was one of the few cases in which actually the sanctions were just justified by the united nations security council. and that was a good reason for that because at least in that case it was, they were here, there was supposedly, you know, he's violating the nonproliferation treaty now. yeah. he was and was not the less,

that was the difference. what was the live and that goes with the iran, russia went along with the thanks for the rom, russia went along with the sanctions against north korea visa, un security council sanctions. but what was interesting about that is that it was supposedly targeted, but in fact, they weren't targeted the ordinary people, for the very reason that you can't just simply pick and choose and say, well, you can't have and you can't import anything that leads to labor. you to build weapons of mass structure, which means you can't import chemicals that you need for further lies is that you need for the saudi nation that you need. sanitation, and you can't import a power generators as soon as so that's why is it individual citizen suffer? because the only thing that you'll use, so maybe you will have this you can have after all the talk work. well, these are the target at the sectors or targets are we on touching civilians is

align anytime just me a civilians. yeah, i mean the do use argument hearing. you could even, you know, probably make an argument that baby food has a daily and, and they were rapidly running out of time year. but essentially what it does is it punishes the mean, the weakest and the poorest of these countries, not the governments here. i, gerald, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real stay with the the the some can fall from middle class to homeless overnight. most of them are very hard

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me dares thing. we dare to ask me ah, welcome us across up where all things are considered on peter lavelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. i okay, let's go back to the ma here in moscow. let's switch gears and we'll talk about what's going on and be able to. this is been in the news a lot over the last few months, and not always in the way that we'd like. obviously, the latest data point we have is where president lucas shank a met with president putin in sochi. and the read out was kind of a big, boring,

very stayed. they discuss different issues. they focused on the recent events that were going on with the, the apprehension of a, of a, a citizen wanted by mens. and they talked about them. a coven. what's the relationship right now? because what the west has been trying to do is, what was the george of 3000000000 dollars dollars will give you, you know, you know, a chump change, you know, to do what we want the, they turned it down. we have this believe what is allegedly a coup attempt recently against the government and medicare, and now speed up to the president and the russian president city, i'm sorry, talking to boot and is that what western powers wanted ahead demur? well, of course it's what was the western powers one to the western powers in fact, were defeated by their own interests. you know, on the one hand, they have trash or so much that whatever put in is trying to do in the former

soviet union. they always try to do the opposite. so when will question cool last year arrest, that's due to 3 russian nationals in means and declare that they wanted to couple here on this office from law school. the was believe it. and i remember all the newspapers bought it, just read it, you know, all of them wanted who can think or one who can secret. and there was the reason why they didn't support the protest in the very beginning, gentle when they were ready. dangerous for all the other hand, the west page will question and this is fountain who cannot understand because the western trade is ideal. would you call you racial, you know, oh gosh, i was visited by the she call she members in the end of 2000 the gene. i challenge our critics to look at the goals. you know what these people told who shinkel. we respect you, alexandra ball and the other saying that, you know,

we respect the russian soldiers and we will help you to protect it from russia, you know. and then these people obviously supported a pretty dangerous, you know, sometimes violent, protest, actions embellish which were, of course targets. it begins to question and believe me, beller ocean nationalists. i mean out, nationalists on look better than the agreed. and in fact, they handle better than the russian was there also, you ration though absolute, the mind sometimes violent. and that's why they're there. they're perfect agent for the western powers. ok, they want to repeat what they did and ukraine, georgia go to you. this whole strategy coming from the west is appalling. li, stupid, okay. it creates a negative return. if they just simply respected the country sovereignty and allowed the people of beers to decide their own fate,

it might actually work out there that are better. good. but the more they do this, the more they solidify his our, i mean, if these people are just b list years, i mean big time. yeah, exactly, and that's all as what we've been talking about, that the more that you impose pressure sanctions against a government, the more you strengthen that government you want not going to remove location go by sanctions. i mean, let's say, let's say the sanctions were affected. what, what would be the, what would be the actual effect of the things is out? you would have either misery and starvation on the, on the part of the public. or you would have a civil war in the public. or basically, you know, the russians would move in, not none of the mario's, or in any way to the benefits of the pillars in people. and when you think of way with the eastern partnership, later, eastern european union decent partnership, or we're going to move all the state of georgia,

ukraine. army. but you're going to move them all out from russia's influence and bring them all over to the west influence. so if you're going to proceed with a policy and why you don't have to look at shanker, it makes absolutely no sense. so they, you know, one day, you know, that you have mike on bail flying into men's can saying, you know, right, we've got the oil that we can sell, you know, you know, you know, you don't need to buy one from the russian. you know, you can buy our oil next next day. you know, we need to get rid of the question, go with no idea what was doing demon the going. you want to jump in there demon. i want them to pick up 11, ga greatly, you know, there is some training in the west on the one hand, they keep saying, own question was put in spot, but you know, he would have popped up. she never does any independence. and then what we showed

in good shape going that was in the partnership, you know, to move to move april russia. we support the russian sovereignty. yeah, we support russia. so we're going to see was bill russian s space because they, they, they went to the plane and the rest of the model of our agents, you know, their school is paid to speak progress. she was. busy an ease they are age and so there is a, this is a freight and sometimes this gets a friendly, it gets a violently dangerous. you know, let me just called an article problem the next day that, you know, it's written by models, petite of editors, road leader. and it's kind of like my plan for bill. it was, let me just quote, a little writes that he would be. b, e foss said to the, had been designated international to both means. even though the article says that we should put the price that on lucas should have, you know, that would teach to shank or something. and why, why do you suggest to do it? why?

if you're not happy with the sanctions, because both walker shall go and put the tears in more school, a lot about the no will do nothing. and well, this is what i hate. most of this is what is more dangerous. when the western press outraging all of that allied lock in their box off in, in more school that locked in their box or in the, in box dot, they're locked into a box or in belgrade. what it means. it means that the west is preparing for another war because they, you know, they get mad when someone lost that, you know, they say that i'd like to make these people cry. the world isn't locked into the west because the west, so erase, you know, i mean take me if i can tear a page from your play book, it's because it's the idea logically driven. that is why it ends up being irrational and how they come out on the, on the wrong side of so many issues. because they have this case where they have

lucas behavior. and they're trying to find the right combination where they can win on both accounts, which is kind of silly. it's an interesting exercise and they pay a lot of people to sit in. an air conditioned office is outside of langley thinking about these things. they law, look, i shall go when look, i shall go. quarrels with these are the only moments when they love him and also all these has nothing to do with international law and get it back. we haven't been talking about thanks. it's against the north stream, but no stream is a rushing driven project. what business does the 9th of space have to impose sanctions? so this project is crushing, posing sanctions on a pipeline from banks, you go to the states, but no one is object and you know, you're just being true. sense of what we do a logical here. ok. because you know they, it's all about had demonic power. if you, you know why, why countries like,

you know, they do that because they can do it. ok that's, that's, that's simple as it gets. and it's very, very eric if you're george, let me go to you. i mean, when you know these co planners, how many i deal with the structure of the, of the be a russian economy. how many of the workers actually work, but the state, what percentage of trade goes to rushing here? mean, are they getting this come in and have a fire sale? so all state property, so it to western corporations, gonna misery the country, or basically duplicate the, the catastrophic outcome that they had ukraine. i mean, again, we're the 1st part of the problem. we talk about things and this is a form of sanctions, but they won't do because it's in the service of their ideology. it has nothing to do with g o. ology store. no, none at all. and that's why they can't accept that luca and go actually has a following, he's really, he's quite popular in was maybe not 80 percent,

but almost certainly above 50 percent. precisely because he didn't you the west, the neo liberal model of fire sales of the manufacturing industry and being essentially supplicants of the west. he didn't go the power of ukraine. so then this is what united states is now blinking and bike and recommending to ukraine. you know, just fell over the gym. everything over to us. so you know, they want to take, they want to take it away from the ukranian, all of our give it to the western oligarchy. and i took out a model that they won for bella rosa because you have no following. and that's why these people like, you know, those are also absurd. how will you hope to win an election in bella rose when she 1st of all, calling for sanctions against our own country. i hope to enjoy only we do have the example of what's his name? why no, i guess she's the one to know exactly. you're rushing,

why go and them and then supporting just these very follow up. let's get rid of all is manufacturing industry, which i've been very successful or, you know, they have, it's fairly integrated into the russian economy. they have a market in russia. let's get rid of that. i just sell everything off to the west and i will. this is the west person. this is the, this is the one that the west is backing. there's no way in the world that this person will enjoy any kind of support. and as you say, we have the why don't model where this is? no, no, and george, what does bell roof produce? where they can sell to europe. we don't have much time, but i don't think there are very many things, but there is an interesting and dynamic sector in the country. we have to point that out, but most of it's heavy manufacturing would not be accepted in the european union. and that's why they founded in, in the russian market demand give you the last 50 seconds. go ahead. oh, well, just let me point out. the question is often criticized and russia,

when he told us, you know, was that nato command in europe in 2001 or just promised to support him and no rush and solar. and of course, there was a lot of critique because she was in consequential and sometimes indeed cruel. but it doesn't mean that you can treat him in the way the spectator suggest. they gave a call from the article to read. and as they would like to be treated as some of the been a lot of them put their price on his credit threads on matters. the us shot the pre, it's the man us or war. and what is it, if it's not a matter? i don't know if you are choking or laughing or having a choking laugh. ok. but here are countries that are saying we should support international law, specific norms and values, and basically are calling from cold blooded murder. that's what we get. this is all i do want you to be driven. i generally run out of time. i want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow. and i want to think our viewers are watching us

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