the dish proportionately we are now hesitant and there's a lot of concern about the safety of the vaccination. so really it's about reassuring some community to make this being mandatory, imposed on to the community that's going to be discriminatory. and i think the main difference is that we were affected disproportionately, and until after the phase of our concerns are address offering, it would be terrible to inflict mandatory vaccination for look, it's a spirited debate. i thank you very much. all of you for coming on and sharing your points of view with the simon clark doctor and microbiology at reading university. you came the only bennett independent nurse as well as political commentator anthony webber. thank you. will not spring this news are 2 more grey programs. they had a moment, so find out what showing up to the bring me the

news the, [000:00:00;00] the who's i'm sure it has here. we're going underground telling you the truth, the powerful, the want you to hear coming up in the show after you, kate, him or johnson stop advisor apologizes for failing the british public over one of the worst per capita. death rates on earth of all or advisor to the u. k. shadow job through the exchequer on why so many were killed here. my cove, it is the world health organization,

74th annual january and tomorrow. what is going on with india? with the search testing against the so called indian very to grow device. beginning in britain, we speak to the ex commissioner of indian food and drug administration, about whether vaccine production capital in the world can't vaccinate its own people. all this coming up in today's going on, the 1st is britain continues to come to grips with testimony from an extra advisor to u. k. p. m, or johnson. with the reason britain had one of the worst per capita, death rates on earth, just incompetence and bureaucracy. or is it something more profound? something to do with the structure of british capitalism and joy now from italy, by professor guys standing for economic advisor to the shattered chance or the exchequer under jeremy corbin, an author of the corruption of capitalism. why ron, today's thrive and work does not pay. thank so much guy for coming back on the show, which we were all in italy obviously, but i think you caught up with some of the evidence from johnson consillio area. dominic cummings was the u. k. koby response. do you think hijacked in the interests of rented capitalism as outlined in your book here?

well, it is extraordinary incidence that the book has just come out of the same time as these revelations by dominant cummings. i must say that i'm not remotely surprised by what we heard. it is a reflection of a system that is chronically corrupt. and when i was working on the book, i realized the, the depths of the revolving doors we have between finance, big finance and politics. and politics has become a sort of stepping stone profession whereby chances go into political positions in order to prepare themselves for making megabucks and huge salaries and bonuses and center in finance. and finance, of course,

is the dominant theme. one of the points i make in the book is now in britain known financial companies as well as financial companies own fits that are over a 1000 percent of g d p. it's the financial, cale why being the economic dog. but of course, i mean, i've got to say, i mean i don't know who the chance is in this context, but the media here certainly did not react to the cummings testimony by talking about corruption. i mean, there was these accusations lying about the health secretary. it was incompetence is bureaucracy, it's, it's, these corruption was not was not key here according to the way the british media covered the storage, well, less predictable to because mainstream media are part of the wrench economy system. the main stream media owned by crafts

and we have a situation where the big finance, mainly goldman, fax grooms, people to go into politics, go into the media well and if it's institutionalized corruption so that you get the situation where many of the decisions that are being taken up for the benefit of finance and for the benefit of senior civil servants and politicians who move effortless effortlessly from their positions in public, in the public domain into a big finance. well, richie here, richie, so i got johnson here, obviously came from goldman sachs and he'd say, no, he wasn't benefiting the goldman sachs brigade. he was benefiting ordinary people with his fellow schemes is help out to who to eat out slightly more controversially . i mean, the subtitle of the book where you say, why work doesn't pay as people start to emerge. obviously the pandemic is still

going on here. why does work not pay? i mean, that is a question that the vast majority of people in britain probably talking about as they come off low and back into jobs if they're lucky. well, basically the, the architecture of renting capitalism. make sure that most of the income from me and i mean growth, all from changes in the system, go to the owners of property, financial property, physical property, or so called intellectual property. and these means the less and less going to people who rely on labor of that incomes. so we have this growth of the precarious on which i've written several books. and we've got what i've called in the book prospect of a triple k. in the sense that before the damage the buddha craft from the leads

of people mainly making money out of finance. and we're going up and up. whereas the brit carry at, rinsing, declining wages, declining access, the benefits in huge increase in private that. and then during the pen, they make progress gain even more so 1000000000 as extremely well out on the whereas the precarious have gone deeper and deeper into debt. and now we will have a new situation when the post lockdown phase takes place in which the, the lead on the crafts will continue to benefit. whereas the bread carry a debt will result in a day lose of homelessness, a del lose of bankruptcies. we have the allegations of 10 thousands killed by corona virus and needing to have the official figures somewhere at $100.00. $25000.00 killed by covey is one of the highest per capita rates. president dwellings from university walks told us that will stare at the killed 150000 people

. when you're talking about these backs on the pick area. does that mean more people are going to die out of his cake of post lockdown scenario than who died from corona virus in this country? i believe so. and i say that with, with a heavy heart because the period of us there are. so privatize ation of our national health service as well as bid cuts to spending on health and care and the privatization of our care taken over by private equity, financial corporations that are often gone bankrupt, leaving thousands of people in severe homelessness. really. instead of being care homes and we have a situation where morbidity and the stress, all insecurity means that a lot of people are suffering from answers from heart problems from suicidal

tendencies. and i think that is, it is quite possible that we will see a surge of excess death above what should have been the chase in the period going forward. i mean the heartlessness shown by forest johnson about his remarks on a t rhodes and so on. this, this sort of is just so disgraceful, but it's the fact the thing, but he's still prime minister, but someone can say that sort of things young that we have a situation where the private time zation and the financial aggregation boss talks about national health system means that a lot of people are not going to be able to get the medical attention they need, they need and it's going to be a cascading crisis in going forward. and the real,

really important thing is the must be a more effective opposition. what is going on? i mean, now obviously the johnson comments about even bodies piling up in the streets that alone the 8 year olds. all apocryphal, pending the inquiry that starts next year. but johnson would say the vaccine rule as has been a tremendous success for this country. what is the vaccine and to prevent the excess deaths that will be higher because of renfield capitalist approaches, post locked down then cove itself. well, i believe that we have a we already had a panoramic of stress in the country. i dissembled the evidence on that. the, the be a number of people who are suffering from mental disorders, mental strain and physical strains associated with that. due to chronic inductive use, chronic insecurity,

that's the reality of the carrier. i think as long as we don't address the insecurity of society, we will not get out of this. we did whereby the po chrissy and the finance is a just making a nominal amount of money. if i give you one statistic, which i think is very important. be the value of wealth private wealth in britain today and risen from 300 percent of, of gdp. national income to over 700 percent of g d p. and over 60 percent of our wealth in the country private, which is inherent it's, we have a system which gives to a tiny minority, which as i show in the book, is essential 18th, by billions of pounds, not hundreds of millions,

billions of pounds in subsidies given to the owners of assets and the owners of wealth. and this means that something like 40 percent of the population in britain is scrambling the rounds to maintain the living span and are actually declining. and they are only maintaining it by deepening their private debt. this is the reality. so we have a situation where private debt is over 200 percent of national income and has been rising. it's not public, it's private. and if the fellow scheme is increased in the quality, i think it's a disgraceful scheme. i explain why in the book, but it's propped out the system very regressive because it's given far more to irene and then for the pro carry ad. but it is merely a stop gap measure. now there's no way we're told we're told a subsidy is to welfare claimants,

and i know your advice was shattered. chancellor, now the shattered johnson as rachel reeves are famous, they said that labor should be tougher than the tories on the welfare claimant. to me about how the book talks, i'm not alone and how we may be under these misapprehensions about who's getting the subsidies, the co option of descent. we get business programming and we're told, you know, we can be part of the equities investing population and we can top up our assets to certain portion of the population. you see the evidence exists to suggest this corpse, those who would otherwise you sent and move them to the right angle games grow because more and more people will come to realize that this is a good, don't billing system of rent, jake african, some going for the tiny leads, whereas most people are going to be proverbially left behind,

but also chronically insecure. long term to populists? i like johnson. well, finally, and the legit corruption. do you think that people will just be too tired for any uprisings this summer, given that even the national audit office said there was no competition for the corona virus contract that apparently big farmer are trying to recoup received losses from invest just a dispute settlement systems over coded procedures is going to rise this summer. can we expect uprisings on the streets of western capitals or people to died from the precariousness of their existences, being for the moment that the ty at no says the tv, the desire for some desire to just get out. but i think there's a huge backlog of anger and resentment. they personally predict that will be

a new surge of precarious movements because we can have a vacuum on the left for very long. it will emerge as in madison paid tree ecologically driven agenda a nation. but there's a lot of anger and a lot of energy out am i hear from people every day about is i'm quietly, i think there's a build up. and if we get young politicians who are offering part of that vision, then i think that will be a spark to a fight because we desperately need it. professor guys, certainly thank you. after the break, as brittany comes to terms with evidence of a arguable karone of ours man, florida, we go to the city in india, globally supplying astrazeneca vaccines to us can be a former drug administration commissioner. what has gone so wrong in his country?

all listen more coming up about to up going undergrad. ah ah ah ah, max size or financial survival guide? daisy, let's learn about fill out. let's say i'm a joy and your time. grief on banks of the site. wall street broad. thank you for helping me. ah, well enjoy. 6 that right fell out that way very the we're segregated all along my social class. last class. people though,

also covered by 1st name. if you're born in to a 4 family, you're born into a minority family. if you're born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your lives, chances people die or leverage to a fight every day to meet your needs and the needs of your family. mm. welcome back. tomorrow the 74th world health assembly winds down as tens of millions, grieve for relatives killed by corona virus just by britain having a capital death rate 10 times that of india. it is the so called world's largest democracy, that is now under the spotlight for its corona virus response. though, joining me now for me tonight in india is former principal secretary to the government. my roster mahash is i got it. thanks so much for coming on. so as i

said, the rates may be 10 times high here. but kathy, but i mean, i may have had the answer. is that a give x in here? and it might have been created where you're from there pooler, the size of the largest vaccination, the manufacturer reportedly was gone so wrong. why there are hundreds of thousands that have been killed in your country. and i want to get in. and if you really off of it, then i need to make one, but then usa and in the course of germany and all that just to the law. unfortunately, id number is why the population is julie.

the lawyer. we didn't order that or then i because of your favorite population to be when are we increased risk is not much i believe it or then we also think about this because if you the top of all the india, then probably the party and a lot of the, the very and certainly indian very and so gold is certainly, we're having some testing here in britain because of it, i just want to ask actually about the factory. the theorem institute improved because the ceo mr. branwa says that he had to flee india because of death threats. so what is going on in the history that he had to flee the size of his

factory, the largest vaccination manufacturing facility in the world? i think it is mos credit even bother. so they go to the you k, r i and i'm not sure now i don't think there's any reason why you're asking. i was the commission on the line that we might want to explain. we'd love one on the show. he does say though, that mr. moody is responsible for ordering to few vaccines. and this coming from someone who i know is family of financially donated to the congress party historically, where he has supported new liberal policies or the modi government. what do you

make of him saying that you are leader or did just to few vaccines? that's why so many people today was everybody that is done and it was a lot coming. and it's not important to me that most of the country the i n d b i indeed, they also hired. i could be a private entity and that's not what he's and it's all though it's nothing to do with all of that. that it was in all right, and it was the he just says, murder,

you ordered to few. i've india. they probably were having this side of the neighborhood has joined the band. i mean, you only ready by division that time they, for your all the main reason that obviously the reason that's really the reason you were the commissioner for indian food and drug administration. but you don't think you, you bear some of the blame. i will be the they are also in the late fee will be on the mark up. they may need be most of the awesome program i am that you lost

in between and now i'm on the same modest data for be interested in those unfortunately, the why do you need to do international attendance? if you are the one, it's in myra, where you are is where the vaccines are so high. isn't this something much more fundamental, this near liberal policies of big pharma, of the closeness between governments and big pharma and how they operate, versus the great success of your neighbor with similar kind of population? the people's republic of china. listen, the process. i be sort of when data or the ad on the

health of its life or death, they have the vaccine. who cares who licenses? i mean, do you think, i mean this is life or death for in his population? surely these issues by the but they're about money and about rights. who cares? you get i you be that you can the binding contract all of the engagement the beginning. but i didn't start with some other countries than they had to be or say that i was so honoring the contract is more important than saving the lives of ordinary indian people. i'm not the lake that also getting out of the mouth, but quite so bad time. do you need any birdie

asked lake one that was to be because the time when the lease by sending me to the growth and the only reason i was having this recent section all the longer do that now. so level in fantasy. the joe biden administration, he has sought a waiver on painting and intellectual property rights. why do you think your old colonial masters here in europe, britain, holland you, they don't want any relaxation of intellectual property, right? c, b, w, or by,

by monday. but you played on that and i believe that the mother you least have entered into the having commission public and why? why do you solve the problem instantly and nationalize all the big pharmaceutical companies in india like the theorem institute and start to actually save the lives of ordinary indians instead of trying to be contractually obliged by new or liberal organizations like the w id gotten on the national lives, most of the time. so that's not the problem. the issue is made by the lives or lives are more important than the, the scandal of

a leak of the formula for the asters anika vaccine. anyway, let's just move on to this black fungus that apparently is causing a 50 percent mortality rate for those recovering for those who have it and has to do with the steroid use in hospitals because people have not been vaccinated. no, i think i missed my goals so they didn't do that. it could be patients, but i didn't use the i've been probably and then it is not happened to be the media. if you do not think that is now,

is the time for some real nationalism in india as it were when you're conversing with the, with what's been happening in agriculture, the fight over the painting of seeds by big agriculture, lead, learn big pharmaceutical companies. do you know the corona versus time for reflection, for indian politicians and think tanks to get away from this new liberal model that comes from chicago and london and brussels? i'd be more than happy and what do you make of any small minutes? and every now any, yeah, this is a new population. it should be on the industry and therefore we need to have

a different model and the job was going to be the job market. it was so we we don't know, we are supposed to be utilized and people for the commissioner and for the principal secretary, thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday the day after you sanctions on you get us france bomb syria, a set to expire until then keep in touch my social media comment below on youtube and let us know if you feel supported by your government. when it comes to karone of ours. ah,

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