it used to be when we were coming up as it were, sanctions were something that were done very selectively with a very poignant, directed, targeted outcome. it was a very specific surgical instrument if we can use that german in regards to diplomacy. now it's this blunt objects be swinging it around to see what they can destroy, what they can impact what they can change. it's always changing behavior, which is a very, very arrogant way of defining politics. why is it become that? because is it just because it's a substitute for solutions to substitute for diplomacy because it's implications are quite amazing. we'll talk about later about how it's changing the world. and it's not working for the people that sanction go ahead george. well that's exactly right. if you look at what international law states, it's spelled out in the un charter, i mean this article, $51.00. you have

a right to self defense. therefore you have a right to resort to sanctions against somebody who is conducting aggressive actions toward you. and as the sanctions that can be imposed by the un security council, but only a very specific circumstance of which is that the security council can only bose it if the target the state is in some way violating international law if it is a threat to international peace, what is now happening is that the european union, and of course, the united states is using sanctions in and ignoring the united nations and ignoring even the minimum that they would have to do. which is, is there a threat to peace? is anyone threatened if you look at russia now found the how is anything that's happening? you do not need any and of the business of any other state,

no threat to international peace, no threat international. the i looked at the just the, when this, what happened this week with the roof. if you look at the international water, the passengers will all lead out and permitted to go and head towards the way as it was supposed to do. the only person who was arrested was been a citizen. now we can argue about the rights and wrongs of that. but in no way was the international community affected by. so that was what the us and the you were saying, no basis after all an engine, even on top of that, the use of sanctions under international law can be deemed as an act of war. so in that sense, it is disturbing the peace that it's supposed to be maintaining. it's kind of contradictory here in a game at the rushes is on the receiving end of a lot of sanctions. other countries around been,

is way after all this my entire lifetime, cuba is still under sanctioned by the united states, but it's not yielding results. i mean, if it's hunter, if it's pon panama, if it's a weak country in africa, you might have a little bit more luck. but i mean, if a country has resource and, and resolve, it can usually fight these things back and, and what it does is it creates frustration for the country that is creating sanctions, i think, in double down instead of rethinking the whole process. that's what we see right now. go ahead. oh, well, what we're seeing in beller, which is exactly, you know, an example ineffectiveness and absurdity of sanctions. just a small correction. what george just said, it just broke the russian activist who was arrested. it was also a young woman who accompanied him, who is a russian citizen, but who dissipate that, you know, joy and up the lists. all of them are russian. policemen who, you know,

dispersed their radius in the in means last year. and the aim was to target, these police spent to make them valuable, to at least, you know, public pool dest, you know, gaming using g docs, the, exactly, whatever, she's a russian citizen. so russia has been diplomatically to get out of this. and of course, our 1st impulse is to he'll be due for the young man 26 years old. well, this young woman even younger than him. and i feel that the water rushing me. oh no, i have the man. i don't feel pity. okay. i mean, the yeah, i'm sorry, nancy wanted to talk to this person. we're a very, very good reason and it's very well documented. i mean that what we can discuss here in georgia, i've done a great lang, is the poor thing of the landing of the plan, the, the plane,

the means by which was huge. i think that that is questionable. the fact that they wanted to speak to this individual, there's no question about that at all. oh yes. oh, i mean, we're all remember ourselves. you're 26. you know, we all had different opinions and probably will be a shame for a lot of things. we did that age, but these guy did participate in the civil war in your brain. he was infamous, although, but daily and which was described as a not now not so in addition, even the, the british and american media. so there reasons why he should have been arrested and he was arrested when he was on the rush. and 3rd, legally, you know that there is one point 1st, no sympathy, that there is another sphere that is the law. but when they shut off the russian space and while they are building, they want to impose sanctions on just about all the industries including the most

important. busy one capital, what will be the result? there are, which will move goals at the russia simply because there is no other way for this country to live. in the same way, i mean the sanctions which were imposed on iraq and which were found during all the night until 2003. the main reason was, as we remember, the reparation why samples seem to a war with the use of weapons of mass destruction, the weapons. so once you start to wear mac phone, so the sanctions, in fact, we're dreaming though, you know, they lead to the deaths of 1000. so the right to children, you know, i'm not talking about the war, you know, which was of course, much, great, the correct, but the sanctions very crime. and this week we've had an article in the corner missed which said, i'm just quoting, it's an address to way to change other states where the sanctions, when you pull the c alone is insufficient. military force is dorski already handled

. well let me translate that into blaming dish. we the west, you sang cells when we're too stupid to use diplomacy or when were to call would lead to use the needed to force because sanctions is not diplomacy. sanctions is another form of war, you know. and you use it very often when you are in a great state. and unfortunately, this is exactly what we've seen in iraq. what i've seen with you before, again with your florida, you know, the sanctions were imposed because supposedly the water which was mistreating, they'll buy any minority interest. you know, the people who lived in the western press reported the 120002 billions were slaughtered by the serbs. and if you disagree at the time, you remember, you were called the flag in the, in the british press in the american press in the west, in general, it was supposed to be iron cliff, right. and then it turned out to be

a lie because they were gotten used to live about almost all of these other and that makes me boarded state supported conspiracy theories. but george, the, the interesting thing, i mean, the majority kind of gave us inside here. i mean, there was have choices, not very many, but it does have choices. and one of them is more reliance on russia, which would seem counter productive to what the west has been trying to nudge was away from its closeness to russia. but i mean on a much broader scale here, i mean, sanctions usually involve using financial instruments, meaning a politicizing, the dollar in the financial system here. but now people that are saying, companies even are saying, but states certainly that we have to get out of the dollar. ok, because the americans and their allies to politicize that. and so that degrades the currency of the dollar, which are predominantly, they want to remain,

had had demonic. but it's being counterproductive. we have this whole idea of, beyond the west new institutions, financial institution trading institutions here. and, and because this is that they want rules based, but people say we don't think your rules, we don't understand because they're all one sided will make our own set of rules. go ahead, but that's good. but that was always been the case historically with sanctions because sanctions, which supposedly had their objective undermining or weakening regardless, really led to the strengthening of the government. but because now the government could turn to the beat and say, look, you know, we're being targeted. i'm just targeted and that by acquires certain amounts of legitimacy from the public. moreover, it allows government actually greater power because now they are justified in utilizing the resources of their country in order to fight off sanctions. so therefore, castro subjected to an embargo by the united states because i am the subject of

aggression by the united states. one thing i would just mention about in the case of iraq during the $990.00 is, is that was one of the few cases in which actually the sanctions were just justified by the united nations security council. and that was a good reason for that because at least in that case it was, they were here, there was, supposedly he's violating the nonproliferation treaty now. yeah, he was and, but nonetheless, that was a difference. what was the live and i think goes with the iran. russia went along with the thanks for get around. rush went along with the sanctions against north korea visa, un security council sanctions. but what was interesting about that is that it was supposedly targeted. but in fact, they weren't targeted the ordinary people for the very reason that you can't just simply pick and choose and say, well,

you can't have and you can't import anything that leads you to build weapons of master structure, which means you guardian, for the chemicals that you need for fertilizers that you need for the salary nation that you need what sanitation and you can't import a power generates as soon as so that's why is it individual citizen suffer? because the only thing that you'll use, so maybe you will have this call and have all the talk where will these a target at the centers or target to we don't touching civilian is a line anytime just a civilians. yeah, i mean the do use argument hearing and you could even, you know, probably make an argument that baby food has a daily and, and they were rapidly running out of time year. but essentially what it does is it punishes the weakest and the poorest of these countries, not the governments here. i, gerald, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real stay with the

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welcome to cross stuff where all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real in this. i ok, let's go back to daemon here in moscow. and let's switch gears and we'll talk about what's going on and be with parents. it's been in the news a lot over the last few months. and not always in the ways that we'd like. obviously, the latest data point we have is where president lucas shank met with president putin in salty. the read out was kind of a big, boring, very stayed. they discuss different issues. they focused on the recent events that were going on with the the apprehension of a, of a, a citizen wanted by mens. and they talked about them co good. what's the relationship right now? because what the west has been trying to do is, what was the george a 3000000000 dollar?

others will give you, you know, you know, a chump change, you know, to do what we want the, they turned it down. we have this believe what is allegedly a coup attempt recently against the government and men's gear, and now speed up to the president and the ration president city, i'm sorry, talking to boot and is that what western powers wanted ahead demur? well, of course it's, well, i want the western powers one to the western powers, in fact, were defeated by their own patriots. you know, on the one hand, they have trash so much that whatever put in is trying to do it in the former soviet union. they always tried to do the opposite. so when will christian call last year, arrested stood 3 russian nationals in music and declared that they wanted to topple him on this office from moscow. the world believed it. and i remember all the newspapers bought it, just read it, you know, all of them. what it,

who can thinker why, who can seeker, and there was the reason why they didn't support the protest in the very beginning . you know, when they were really dangerous for all the other hand, the worst case christian court and this is fountain who could not understand because the western trade would use idea. would you call the racial, you know, oh gosh, i was visited by the atlantic council members in the end of 2000 and the g. and i challenge our critics to look at the colts. a know what these people told shinkel. we respect you. alexandra, very bull and the other saying that, you know, we respect bill russian soldier and we will help you to protect it from russia, you know. and then these people obviously supported a pretty dangerous, you know, sometimes violent protections embellish which of course, gets it against shinkel and bell or ocean nationalists. i mean our nationalist,

a lot better than the you agree. and in fact, to handle better than the russian was there also you ration of the mind sometimes violent and that's why they're there. they're perfect agents for the western powers . ok, they want to repeat what they did it in ukraine, georgia. the go to you, this whole strategy coming from the west is appallingly stupid. ok, it creates a negative return. if they just simply respected the country sovereignty and allowed the people of the errors to decide their own fate. it might actually work out better, better, good. but the more they do this, the more they solidify his our, i mean, if these people are just be list years, i mean big time. yeah, exactly, and that's all of what we've been talking about. that the was that you impose pressure sanctions against the government. the more you strengthen that government, you're not going to remove location. go by sanctions. i mean, let's say,

let's say the sanctions were effected. what, what would be the, what would be the actual effect of the things out? you would have either misery and starvation on the, on the back of the public. or you would have a civil war in the public. all. basically, you know, the russians would move in, not none of these scenarios are in any way to the benefit of the rosie and people. and when you think of way with the eastern partnership, later, eastern european union decent partnership. oh, we're going to move all the state, you know, baylor was georgia ukraine army by jobs going to move them all out from russia's influence and bring them all over to the west influence. so if you're going to proceed with that policy, then why you don't have to look at shanker, it makes no sense. so they, you know, one day you know, that you have mike on bail flying into men's can say, yeah,

we got oil that we can sell, you know, you know, you don't need to buy one from the russian. you know, you can buy our oil next. next day, you know, we need to get rid of the gotcha and go with no idea what he's doing. you know, game of the going, you want to jump in there demon. i want them to pick up 11 ga, greatly. you know, there is some training in the west on the one they keep saying, oh gosh. and we split a spot that, you know, he would just pop if she never does any of them independently. and then what we showed in good shape was there in the partnership, you know, to move him away from russia. we support the russian sovereignty. yeah, we support rational sovereignty, but we're going to see will build russian space because they, they, they went to the plane and the rest of the model of our agents, you know, their school is paid to speed progress. she was. busy an ease their age and so

there is a, this gets a frame. yeah. and sometimes this gets rain. it gets violently dangerous. you know, let me just cold an article problem the next day that you know, it's written by vital status editors, road legal and it's kind of like my plan for bill. it was, let me just a little right that he will be k b, e foss said to the, had been designated international way to both means you then those are to go. he says that we should put the price that on lucas should have, you know, that will teach, will get shrink or something. and why? why do you suggest him to do it? why? if you're not happy with the sanctions, because both shall go and you split the tears is more school a lot about the noble do nothing. and this is what i hate. what was this is what is more dangerous when the western press writing. oh, they're like locked in their box off in more school, they're locked in their box or in the in box. locking the box all in belgrade. what

it means, it means that the west is preparing for another war because they, you know, they get mad when someone lost that you know, they say that i'd like to make these people drive. the world isn't locked in that the west because the west erase. you know, i mean, take the image if i can tear a page from your play book, it's because it's the idea logically driven. that is why it ends up being irrational and how they come out on the, on the wrong side of so many issues. because they have this case where they have lucas behavior. and they're trying to find the right combination where they can win on both accounts, which is kind of philly, it's an interesting exercise and they pay a lot of people to sit in. an air conditioned office is outside langley thinking about these things. they law, look, i shall go when lucca shall go. quarrels with these are the only moments when they love him and also all for they have nothing to do, of course,

with international law and get it, you know, exactly, we haven't been talking about sanctions against the north stream, but no stream is a rush and german project, what business does tonight the states have to impose sanctions on this project? it's like rushing posing sanctions on a pipeline from banks. you go to the united states, but no one is object and you know, you're just being true sense of what we do. a logical here. ok. because you know, they, it's all about had demonic power. of you know, why, why the countries like, you know, they do that because they can do it. ok that's, that's, that's simple as it gets. and it's very, very erica here. george, let me go to you. i mean, when you do these, these call a planners, how many i deal with the structure of the, of the be a russian economy. how many of the workers actually work for the state? what percentage of trade goes to rushing here? i mean, are they going to come in and have a buyers sale?

so all state property, sell it to western corporations in a misery, the country, or basically duplicate the, the catastrophic outcome that they had ukraine. i mean again, the 1st part of the part we talked about thanks. and this is a form of sanctions, but they won't do because it's in the service of their ideology. it has nothing to do with geology store, no, none at all. and. and that's why they can't accept that lucas and go actually has a following. he's really, he's quite while people are in barrows, maybe not 80 percent, but almost certainly above 50 percent. precisely because he didn't you the west, the neo liberal model of fire sales of the manufacturing industry and being essentially supplicants of the west. it didn't go the part of ukraine. so then this is what the united states is now blinking and bike and recommending to ukraine, you know, just fell over the, you know, you know,

give everything over to us. so you know, they want to take, they want to take it away from the ukranian, all of ours and give it to the western oligarchy. and i got a model that they want for rosa because it has no following. and that's why these people like you and also observed how would you hope to win an election in bella rose when she 1st of all, calling for sanctions against our own country. i do hope to enjoy we do have the example of what's his name. why do i guess she's the one to know exactly russia why and then and then supporting just these very policies. yeah, let's get rid of all this. manufacturing industry would be very successful or, you know, they have each bar in the integrated into the russian economy. they have a market in russia. let's get rid of that. i just sell everything off to the west when i will. this is the west person. this is the, this is the one that the west is backing. there's no way in the world that this

person will enjoy or any kind of support. and as you say, we have the why though, model, this is no, no, and george, what does bill routes produce where they can sell to europe? we don't have much time, but i don't think there are very many things with there is an interesting and dynamic sector in the country. we have the point that our but most of it's heavy manufacturing would not be accepted in the european union. and that's why they founded in, in the russian market demand give you the last 50 seconds. go ahead. oh, well, let me point out. the question is often criticized and russia when he met the cold . yes, you know, was that nato command in europe in 2018 and was just promise to support him and no rush and solar. and of course there wasn't where the creepy because she was in consequential and sometimes indeed cruel. but it doesn't mean that you can treat him in the way the state or suggest they gave a call from the article,

treat as they would like to state street. it would be a lot and put their price on his credit threads on matters. the us shot the pre, the madness or war and what is it? it's not a matter. i don't know if you are choking or laughing or having a choking laugh. ok. but here are countries that are saying we should support international law, specific norms and values, and basically are calling for cold blooded murder. that's what we get. this is all i do want you to be driven. i gentlemen were brought out of time. i want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow, and i want to thank our viewers are watching us here at our tc next time. remember i i some can fall from middle class to homeless overnight. most of them are very hard

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