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ah ah . hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter about imposing sanctions on the country. used to be a policy of last resort. that is not the case today. now, washington sanction scores of countries and even threaten sanctions. again, suppose that allies, the sanctions work. no, not really. also we have an update on beatrice. i to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess. jordan sent me well we in budapest, he is a podcast with a gaggle which can be found on youtube rumble and locals. and here in moscow were
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joined by dmitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor it, you know, it's me, internet media project or a gentleman crossed our rules and the fact that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to george 1st in, in budapest, george, you know, the, it used to be when we were coming up as it were, sanctions were something that were done very selectively with a very poignant, directed, targeted outcome. it was a very specific surgical instrument. if we can use that german in regards to diplomacy, now it's this blunt objects be swinging it around to see what they can destroy, what they can impact what they can change. it's always changing behavior, which is a very, very arrogant way of defining politics. why is it become that? because is it just because it's a substitute for solutions to substitute for diplomacy because it's implications.
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are quite amazing. we'll talk about later about how it's changing the world and it's not working for the people that sanction go ahead. george. really exactly. right now you can look at what international law states it's spelled out in the un charter. i mean this article, 51. you have a right to self defense. therefore you have a right to resort to sanctions against somebody who is conducting aggressive actions toward you. and as the sanctions that can be imposed by the un security council, but only a very specific circumstance of which is that the security council can only if the target the state is in some way violating international law if it is a threat to international peace. what is now happening is that the european union, and of course, the united states is using sanctions in ignoring the united nation
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and ignoring even the minimum that they would have to do. which is, is there a threat to peace? is anyone threatened? if you look at the russia now found the how is anything that's happening, you do not need any kind of a business of any other state low threat to international peace? no threatened to national or the i looked at the just the when this, what happened this week is with the roost. if you look at the international water, the passengers will all lead out and permitted to go and head towards the way as it was supposed to do. the only person who was arrested was a bela citizen. now we can argue about the rights and wrongs of that, but in no way was the international community affected by. so that was what the us and the you were saying, no basis after all an engine. even on top of that,
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the use of sanctions under international law can be deemed as an act of war. so in that sense, it is disturbing the peace that is supposed to be maintaining. it's kind of contradictory here in a game at the rushes is on the receiving end of a lot of sanctions. other countries around been is way after all this my entire lifetime, cuba is still under sanctioned by the united states, but it's not yielding results. i mean, it would come to europe, it's pon panama, if it's a weak country in africa, you might have a little bit more luck. but i mean, if a country has resource and, and resolve, it can usually fight these things back and, and what it does is it creates frustration for the country that is creating sanctions. i think it's been double down instead of rethinking the whole process. that's what we see right now. go ahead. oh, well, what we're seeing in beller, which is exactly, you know, an example ineffectiveness and absurdity. oh, thank since just a small correction. what george just said. it just broke,
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you know, the russian activist who was arrested, it was also a young woman who accompanied him, who is a russian citizen, but who dissipate that joy and up the lists of russian, policemen who, you know, dispersed the radius in the, in means last year and the aim wants to target, these police spent to make them valuable to at least, you know, public pool dest, you know, jamie, use the docs, the. exactly, but whatever, she's a russian citizen. so russia is helping her dupel magically to get out of this. and of course, our 1st impulse is to, he'll be due for this young man 26 years old for this young woman, even younger than him. and i feel that there was russia need. oh no, i have the man. i don't feel pity. okay. i mean being that, yeah, i'm sorry,
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nymph wanted to talk to this person for a very, very good reason and it's very well documented. i mean, what we can discuss here in georgia and i great lang is the for thing of the landing of the plan, the, the plane, the means by which will use i think that, that is questionable. the fact that they wanted to speak to this individual, there is no question about that at all. oh yes. well, i mean, if we all remember ourselves that they, you're 26. you know, we all had different opinions and probably will be a shame for what thinks we did that, that age. but these guy did participate in the civil war in your grade. he was infamous, although, but alien, which was described as a not now not sure organization, even the, the british and american media. so there reasons why he should have been arrested and he was arrested when he was on the rush and legally you know that there is one point of view that there is another, you know,
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sphere that is the war. but when they shut off the bill, russian air space and when they are building they want to impose sanctions on just about all the industries including the most important. busy one capital, what will be the result? there are which will move goals to russia simply because there is no other way for this country to survive. in the same way, i mean the sanctions which are imposed on iraq and which are held during all the 9 years until 2003. the main reason was, as we remember, the reparation why samples seem to a war with the use of weapons of mass destruction, the weapons was discharged, were not fold. so the sanctions in fact, were dreaming though, you know, they lead to the deaths of thousands. so we write to children, you know, i'm not even talking about the war, you know, which was, of course and much great the cry,
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but the sanctions for it. and this week we had an article in the corner mist, which said, i'm just quoting, it's an address to way to change other states. in the sanctions. when you pull the seal own is insufficient. a military force is dorski already handled. well, let me translate that into a blaming dish. we the west, you sang cells when we are too stupid figures, diplomacy, or when we're too cowardly to us. we need a true false because sanctions is no diplomacy. sanctions is another form of war, you know. and you use it very often when you are in a great state. and unfortunately, this is exactly what we have seen in iraq. what we have seen with you before that again with the florida you know, the sanctions were imposed because supposedly mon washer, which was mistreating the banyan minority and just, you know, the people who lived in the western press reported that by $120000.00 bill billions
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were all done by the serbs. and if you disagree that you remember, you were called a flight in the bridge in the british press in the american press in the west, in general, it was supposed to be iron cliff, right. and then it turned out to be a lie because where they've gotten used to live about almost all of these other and that makes boarded state supported conspiracy theory. but george, the, the, the interesting thing, i mean, the minority kind of gave us inside here. i mean, we have a choice, there's not very many, but it does have choices. and one of them is more reliance on russia, which would seem counter productive to what the west has been trying to nudge deal with away from its closeness to russia. but i mean on a much broader scale here. i mean, sanctions usually involve using financial instruments, meaning a politicizing,
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the dollar in the financial system here. but now people going to say in companies even are saying, but states certainly that we have to get out of the dollar. ok, because the americans and their allies to politicize that. and so that degrades the currency of the dollar, which are predominantly, they want to remain, had had demonic. but it's being a counterproductive. we have this whole idea of beyond the west new institutions, financial institution trading institutions here and. and because this is that they want rules based, but people say we don't think your roles, we don't understand because they're all one sided. we'll make our own set of rules . go ahead. well, that's good. but that was always been the case historically with sanctions because sanctions, which supposedly had their objective undermining or weakening regardless, really led to the strengthening of the government. but because now the government could turn to the beacon and say, look, you know, we're being targeted. i'm just targeted and thereby acquire certain amounts of
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legitimacy from the public. moreover, it allows double and actually greater power because now they are justified in utilizing the resources of their country in order to fight off sanctions. so therefore, you know, castro subjected to an embargo by the united states because i'm the subject of aggression by the united states. i'm wondering, i just mentioned about in the case of iraq during the 1990 is in that was one of the few cases in which actually the sanctions were just justified by the united nations security council. and that was a good reason for that because at least in that case, they say, well, there was supposedly, you know, he's violating the nonproliferation treaty as it turned out. yeah. he wasn't. but nonetheless, that was the difference. what was the live? and that's see goes with iran. russia went along with the thanks for good russia went along with the sanctions against north korea visa, un security council sanctions. but what was interesting about that is that it was
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supposedly targeted, but in fact they weren't target live ordinary people. for the very reason that you can't just simply pick and choose and say, well, you can't have and you can't import anything that leads to labor. you to build weapons of master structure, which means you guardian, for the chemicals that you need for further lies, is that you need for the saudi nation that you need what sanitation. and you can import a power generators as soon as so that's why is it individual citizen suffer? because the only thing that you'll use, so maybe you will have this, you can have all the talk work. well, these are the targets at the sectors or targets are we on touching civilians is a line anytime just me on civilians. yeah, i mean the do use argument hearing and you could even, you know, probably make an argument that baby food has a daily and,
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and they were rapidly running out of time year. but essentially what it does is it punishes the mean, the weakest and the poorest of these countries, not the government here. i, gerald, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real, stay with the the, the join me every thursday on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics, sport, business and show business. i'll see you then me an entire village in alaska has had to move if another country threat wipe out an american we do everything in our part a project in water escaping climate change poses the same threat right now.
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alaska has seen some of the fastest coastal erosion in the world. we lost about 35 feet, 35 feet of ground in just about 3 months while we were measuring it is bad. and that means the river is 35 pounds. then learning was year before i think we're part of america. there's for me or america. ah, welcome us across up were all things considered? i'm peter lavelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. i
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okay, let's go back to daemon here in moscow. let's switch gears and we'll talk about what's going on and be with parents as been in the news a lot over the last few months. and not always in the ways that we'd like. obviously, the latest data point we have is where president lucas shank met with president putin in sochi. the read out was kind of a bit boring, very stayed. they discuss different issues. they focused on the recent events that were going on with the the apprehension of a, of a, a citizen wanted by mens. and they talked about them and coded what's the relationship right now? because what the west has been trying to do is, what was the george of $3000000000.00? others will give you a chump change, you know, to do what we want the, they turned it down. we have this believe what is allegedly a coup attempt recently against the government and minns gear and now speed up to
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the president and the ration president, the city, i'm sorry, talking to boot and is that what western powers wanted ahead demur? well, of course, it was what the western powers wanted. the western powers, in fact, were defeated by their own interests. you know, on the one hand, they have trash or so much that whatever put in is trying to do in the former soviet union. they always tried to do the opposite. so when will question cool. last year arrested suited 3 russian nationals in minsk and declared that they wanted to topple him on this office from law school. the was believe it. and i remember all the newspapers bought it just read it, you know, all of them wanted who can think or one who can secret. and there was the reason why they didn't support the protest in the very beginning, gentle when they were really dangerous for all the other hand, the west page question, and this is fountain who cannot understand because the western trade is ideal.
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would you call you racial? you know, oh gosh, i was visited by the atlantic council members in the end of 2000 and the g. and i challenge our critics to look at the colts. you know what these people told who shinkel. we respect you, alexandra ball and the other saying that, you know, we respect the russian soldier and we will help you to protect it from russia, you know. and then these people obviously supported a pretty dangerous, you know, sometimes violent protest sections in embellish, which were of course targeted against sample. and believe me, beller ocean nationalists. i mean our nationalists are not better than the agreed. and in fact, they know better than the russian was there also, you ration of the mind sometimes violent and that's why they're there. they're
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perfect agent for the western powers. ok, they want to repeat what they did in your crime, georgia. go to you. this whole strategy coming from the west is appalling. li, stupid. ok. it creates a negative return. if they just simply respected the country sovereignty and allow the people of beers to decide their own bait. it might actually work out to that are better, but the more they do this, the more they solidify his our i mean, if these people are just b listers, i mean, big time. yeah, exactly, and that's all what we've been talking about. that the more that you impose pressure sanctions against the government, the more you strengthen that government, you're not going to remove location. go by sanctions. i mean, let's say, let's say the sanctions were effected. what, what would be the, what would be the actual effect of the things is out? you would have either misery and starvation on the, on the part of the public. or you would have
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a civil war in the public. all. basically, you know, the russians would move in, not none of these scenarios are in any way to the benefits of the sea and people. and when you think of way with the eastern partnership, later, eastern parts or the european union, eastern partnership, or we're going to move all the state of georgia ukraine army by jobs. going to move them all out from russia's influence and bring them all over to the west influence . so if you're going to pursue with the policy and why you don't have to look at shanker, it makes absolutely no sense. so they, you know, one day, you know, that you have my bail flying into men's saying, you know, we've got the oil that we can sell, you know, you, you know, need to buy well from the russian. you know, you can buy our oil next next day. you know, we need to get rid of the cash and go with no idea what he's doing. you know,
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game of the going, you wanna jump in there demon. i want them to pick up 11, ga greatly, you know, there is some training in the west on the one they keep saying, own question was put in spot that, you know, he's putting up. if you never are, then you've been independent, you're going. and then what we showed in good shape was there in the partnership, you know, to move to move april russia. we support the russian sovereign. yeah. with support ration. so got you. but we're going to see was bill russian s space because they, they, they went to the plane and the rest of the model of our agents, you know, their school is paid to speed progress. she was. busy an ease they are agent. so there is a, this is a freight and sometimes this gets a friendly, it gets a violently dangerous. you know, let me just cold an article problem the next day that you know, it's written by vital spectators, editors, road, legal and it's kind of like my plan for bill. it was, let me just put
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a little rights that he would be could be impost. saturday had been designated international way to both means, even though the article says that we should put a price tag on cash. and we'll have, you know, that will teach to shank or something and why, why do you suggest him to do it? why, if you're not happy with the sanctions, because both wilkerson going to use the tears more school a lot about the no, we'll do nothing. and the book, but this is what i create most and this is what is more dangerous. when the western press writing all of that allied lock in their box off in more school that locked in their box or in the in box. they're locked into a box of envelop. what it means it most of the west is preparing for another war because they, you know, they get mad when someone lost that you know, they say that i'd like to make these people gripe. the world isn't locked in that
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the west because the west erase, you know, i mean take the image. if i can tear a page from your play book, it's because it's the idea logically driven. that's why it ends up being irrational and how they come out on the, on the wrong side of so many issues because they have this case where they have lucas behavior. and they're trying to find the right combination where they can win on both accounts, which is kind of silly. it's an interesting exercise and they pay a lot of people to sit in. an air conditioned office is outside of langley thinking about these things. they law, look, i shall go when look, i shall go. quarrels with these are the only moments when they love him and also all for they have nothing to do, of course with international law and get it, you know, exactly, we haven't been talking about thanks. it's against the north stream, but no stream is a rush and german project. what business does tonight the space have to impose
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sanctions on this project? it's like rushing posing sanctions on a pipeline from banks. you go to the united states, but no one is object and you know, you're just being true, send it to a logical here. ok. because you know, they, it's all about had demonic power. of you know, why, why the countries like they do that because they can do it. ok that, that, that, that, that, that was a get and it's very, very eric in here. george, let me go to you. i mean, when you do these, these call a planners, how many i deal with the structure of the, of the be a russian economy. how many of the workers actually work for the state? what percentage of trade goes to rushing here? i mean, are they going to come in and have a fire sale? so all state pretty sell it to western corporations going to misery the country, or basically duplicate the, the catastrophic outcome that they had ukraine. i mean, again, the 1st part of the problem we talked about thanks and this is
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a form of sanctions, but they won't do because it's in the service of their ideology. it has nothing to do with geology store, no, none at all. and. and that's why they can't accept that luca. she actually has a following, he's really, he's quite well pillar in bellows. maybe not 80 percent, but almost certainly above 50 percent. precisely because he didn't you the west, the neo liberal model of fire sales of the manufacturing industry and being essentially supplicants of the west. it didn't go the path of ukraine to then. this is what we should expect is now on the blinking invite and recommending to ukraine, you know, just fell over the, you know, give everything over to us. so, you know, they want to take us, they want to take it away from the ukranian, all of our give it to the western oligarchy. and i pick out a model that they want about rosa because you have no following. and that's why
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these people like, you know, those are also absurd. how would you hope to win an election in bella rose when she 1st of all, calling for the sanctions against her own country. i mean, i hope to enjoy only we do have the example of what's his name, why do i guess she's the one to know exactly. you're rushing. why don't and then and then supporting just these very policies. yep. let's get rid of all this. manufacturing industry would just be very successful. you know, they have, it's integrated into the russian economy. they have a market in russia. let's get rid of that. i just sell everything off to the west when i was, this is the west person, this is the, this is the one that the west is backing. there's no way in the world that this person will enjoy any kind of support. and as you say, we have the why, though, model, this is no insurance, what does bill root produced where they can sell to europe? we don't have much time, but i don't think there are very anything where there is an interesting and dynamic
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sector in the country. we have the point that our but most of it's heavy manufacturing would not be accepted in the european union. and that's why they founded in, in the russian market demand give you the last 50 seconds. go ahead. well, let me point out. the question is often criticized russia when he met a cold. yes, you know, was that nato command in europe in 2000 because she was in consequential him and no rush and saw that. and of course, there was a lot of critique because she was in consequential and sometimes indeed cruel. but it doesn't mean that you can treat him in the way the spectator suggest. again, a call from the article treat as they would like to state street, it would be in the law, the put the price on his credit threads on matters. the us shot the pre, the man us or war. and what is it if it's not a matter?
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i don't know if you are choking or laughing or having a choking laugh. ok. but here are countries that are saying we should support international law, specific norms and values, and basically are calling from cold blooded murder. that's what we get. this is all i do want you to be driven by a gentleman will run out of time. i want to thank my guest in budapest and here in moscow. i don't want to think our viewers are watching us here at ortiz. the next time, remember i i better survival guide which they just like, oh, it's going to store it at the federal reserve shirt. so there are you don't get it back. no refrigeration came.
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