to range between an english victim, recover rebel scottish naturalists. i'm just random. mcneil m p. use his 1st westminster during the day to call for more vigorous pursuit of the constitutional question. following the essence to success in scotland. today we turned to wales i nor that i was in a principality, labor scored a surprise victory in the local elections with only modest progress from play. come re we ask lord wiggly of canada and more successful play leader in history. why the poor po, box to independence was thought reflected at the poll. meanwhile, turbo is continues in northern ireland politics with both major union as parties under new leadership and continuing on base, widely predicted. ask, let's go and border uncertainty continues. we question jim shannon m p for strike fighter, where the trust and stability can be restored to the problem for the 1st 2 messages and emails in response to i show last week, i says it was made very clear that a vote for s and p was abort print independence referendum. ruby says,

independence has to be kept front and center for scotland recovery. patricia says the nevertheless, the school. what can we do against all the dirty tricks that continue to throw us? theresa says, should be another great episode. i'm going to pitch it, and while i don't care so much for clear folks, she's got an interesting take on matters. and finally, elizabeth said, i wish i'm spending with liter over the s n p. now over to alex, that would wiggly i, jim shannon. well, continue. luke lee developed and political pops of the, the 4 countries of the united kingdom i'm joined today by, but jim shannon, the m p for stanford and by bob live canada and the former leader of play company. that's what i can talk to you 1st in the run up to the last month selections, things looked fair for play. come re rising support for welsh independence, but it wasn't delivered the the ballot most quite disappointing result. well, yes,

if indeed you can judge the question of independence just on the basis of this ballot. the 1st minister of wales, my great couldn't quite cleverly to himself in a position that didn't totally distance himself from independence. making the point that, excuse to it, to become independent and the welsh labor party would clearly have to revisit that question. and therefore, he did not appear to be empty. it did everything he could understandably, to play, to his own strengths, which was in this circumstance, the way in which is government had handled the go with issue. and as much as like emory and adam price, the leader like i'm retired to make this independence. the main theme would quite clearly, for most people, it was the dominating factor, and it was on that basis. they voted jim shatteau, some considerable instability in the, in the province following the brake,

set stability in the states, but also instability in the democratic union as part of the leadership election and not a result. things not resolved as yet for the new leader was happening in the, in the democratic unionist party. jim shannon. well, we had an election for leader, an election for death, a leader. as you read a say they, the marginal difference was, was only to you, but they not being a democrat and believing in the democratic process isis. i set up thinking in a set up a session. so it wouldn't be a secret that i was a preference for for jeffrey donaldson. but at the same time, i also expressed my confidence in admin pets. as a new leader, not decision has been me and i accept that i accept the fact that we have the new deputy leader and then paula bradley as well. so we get a few changes. so that drove her also. i as, as take stepped up position except the democratic process and to move forward

together. let's look at some of it deeper issues at play here. the european issue, 1st and foremost, definitely mir version accusing my draper, the welsh labor fuss, banished and stealing plights. closed the case. also the welsh labor having a rethink about that attitude to the national question. following breaks or welsh labor, still friendly after ones. for example, the london counterparts are undoubtedly the fact that we've had to leave the european unit for following the facts and votes. and sadly in wales, of course there was a majority all leaving the european union. i think many of those now to address it certainly do, and the fishermen and others who are very would in the campaign. and as a result of that, the reality coming home,

it makes it easier for labor to maintain that position in wales, that they were the pro european party. again, muslim into applied sen, playdoh independence in europe, and been our objective and labor bodies appears to be independence. curious, and you are friendly and it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. butler jim shannon nearly done and accused of being commission of treating not as a plaything this week. but surely, it wasn't a european commission who sold the non island down the number that was bought us johnson. when he, a blatantly took up, the commitment said given the d u p, well i think there's no type whatsoever that i can, that was given to say alex and you and i. but this discussion before, i perhaps wasn't just as confident and the word to the a dedicated and his can up to the union. i think because they,

the big thing for boris was pick it up, fraction didn't, don't on we unfortunately were the meeting so much about the way to perhaps from our point of view we are where we are today. no, no protocol is a disaster. it is not working my party or haven't done for clarity the re marsha there in the past. i thought he was, i clear the discussions with harper north cross, for instance, lord process are ready said that it has words does, is that you are an obstacle on a bar to any future data to make the non protocol either do away with it or make it more acceptable about the way to parent or change it and a way that that, that it doesn't impact upon the economy on the business between you came in and north 9th and vice versa. so, so we have clear issues and the career issues are we believe and upset the sale are

concerned that pays a bit of clear to the minister of state and also the southern stamp i think for us, johnson has a par with any one c majority to bring in an article 6 team do away was say they don't know protocol and move forward. now, i think he's a par, i think he's got, he can do that a p a p. so wish to do. there's been some indications from sort of m pays on his side of the party and probably knows and make and the right one of the party that they would support not to take their line of action. i certainly wouldn't. i would like to see that happening. i think the main thing is that it's quite clear that the protocol isn't working. there's not a day goes by all, it's almost a lot of the day goes by, but i don't have a business or an individual that complains about upgrade to north nor protocol and getting goods from the u. k. milan to work here, and vice versa. and it just doesn't work. now, the economy has been affected by jobs are, are, there's

a question mark over some jobs. there's a cost factor in the whale, even the construction business. and the last 3 to 4 weeks have been to get the problems that they're having with getting stated would on prostate piping. i mean these things are all believable on us, really unacceptable for the government to let this on. certainly people going, i remember jim shannon, the, the prime minister, the saying, and one of his favorite phrases that know now would we end up with the best of both worlds that you'd have preferential access to the european market. you'd have access to the, the u. k. market when once these teething troubles are over, do you think that might be ends up? well, i said a long tension my children were you'll know next, you know, but the teething problems for my children didn't last as long as the north not protocol. and the problems are very, very real for us, 6 months into this process or 5 months and come into the next night and do this

process. they noted i protocol as just as difficult to day as it was and the 1st of january on 1st. since why is it on the 31st of december of 2020 the thing for one example horticulture of goods. the soil was o k. on the 1st of january of not my goodness worked out, want to become never made all the other problems that are ongoing as well. when this is, this is somebody playing, i think my, my party, they are referred that you see as, as, as a plaything. i think many of us feel that the, they're under united kingdom leaving the e u that they're taking it right on austin north and aren't on yeah, we see very, very real when we think of time, the pores, johnson, a prime minister, stepan and lord process and make sure that the, that we do the article 16 do away with it or move forward as was helping just cannot continue any longer. that's less than a warning for whales and what's happening in non island and the samson. i'm quite

sure that many welsh politicians and ply than the labor party would like the sort of access to the the single market. the non island was, was promised, but it seems that this protocol has been a bit of a disaster. wouldn't a welsh protocol end up just as bad? well, and clearly on the details and we're not in the same circumstances, northern island by a 1000 miles. it strikes me that the problems know northern ireland, the implicit in the type of deal that we've got for the question is what sort of alternative can be brought forward and it strikes me that in terms of know of an island, no, no. to stay in the united kingdom and the republic is the state in the european union, then there must be some greater free trade deal. then we must move on the problem, trying to wind the clock back to the a prerequisite days and looked at some new future relationship between these

islands with each other and with the european union looking to the says or model that know is had, it cetera. and then i understand that for those who a hard recipe is that may not be acceptable because we'd have to accept certain rules of the european union. but that, of course, is what the nile is having to do now in order to have the access to the market. and the relationship between northern ireland and the rest of the united kingdom would be that much easier if the rest of the teaching them also had that free trade agreement. and if that were to develop, it didn't mean that the movement towards independence in scotland. and at some stage, following that of whales as well would be in a context that doesn't need the rebuilding of barriers along up in di code. adrian's will. ready i mean, we don't want to move back in that way. what we want is an independence, big our own decisions for ourselves and to cooperate with our neighbors on those much as common and, and that must be the sort of model that is relevant to northern ireland. but i would also suggest relevant to the republic as well. and there is an opportunity

here, as well as a difficulty and the need some people, the vision in northern ireland whales in scotland as well as england to put that forward and fight for join us out to the big when alex continues, his discussions with jim shannon and backward wiggly, we'll see that the pay will kick off summer solutions every summer we talk about the solution. and instead of drawing on the problems, you know we've got answers, we've got pollution me an entire village in alaska has had to move. if another country threaten to wipe out in america, we do everything on our part a project in today. escaping climate change poses the same threat right now.

alaska has seen some of the fastest coastal erosion in the world. we lost about 35 feet 35 feet of ground in just about 3 months while we were measuring it is fatty. and that means the river is 35 pounds. then learning was yours for. i think we're a part of america the 3rd from or america welcome back to the show where alex continues to discussions with them. shannon m p . i lord daf wiggly gum shannon with no elections and violence, which is perhaps unfortunate for the incumbent because elsewhere in these islands, the incumbent governments seem to be the war the but nonetheless, the big issues in terms of the economy still to come, the unwinding of follow the,

the economy having to be taken off life support. as a parliamentarian, you must be identifying issues already coming up in your constituency, where they're going to be huge, social and economic pressure across these islands. where do you see the cooperation between the political parties and getting the economy back on its feet? a 3rd scheme was incredibly helpful. i do believe that a government are hopson administration and ordinary assembly administration at the picture and probably what the help of the counselor need to ensure that as we move, i can say knock down and move forward that they may be accessed a fertile for some businesses can still be there in a smaller way and we may not need it. but at the same time we're going to prepare for for businesses and one of the things that has come up with my consistency. and i submit this question to the counselor just the week before last,

actually not with those who have taken a bank loan. you know, the way the government said that if you needed bank loans and they come up with when to help and assessed. but some of the, the kid mean that they're just a wee bit concerned, but the repayment of some of those bank loans, they get sums of money will not be achievable for small businesses who are just getting back to normal. so i have asked for some flexibility to be enough system to enable those businesses to be able to money. so re payments and a longer period for instance, the last few days i'm in my major training at no charge here. lots of people are both businesses over again, people shopping and spending money, even the consumer local to construction. but as i mentioned earlier on with a double dessert, hovel with some of the supplies but, but then the day they're busy and i think there is a, we are going to be left off and a post after after at all. and that's helping. now people are willing to spend,

i think i read somewhere, i'm not sure how i heard it was that people had some i had an average of which $7000.00 per month that they hadn't spent the last year. so the money to spend? i think gotch good for the shops. i think it's good for the economy, but we want to make sure that it's long term that there's a vision to that. it goes beyond december of this year and was spring up next year . what we need to do at the economy is, is absolutely critical to retain the jobs and moving forward that has been no more ident parliamentarian than yourself over the last generation and identifying the social and economic challenges and mobilizing cross part, the parliamentary opinion on the where do you see the, the big challenges coming and the big opportunity is for opposition? parliamentarians like yourself to, to make a mock to help your people? well, it's been fascinating in the house of lords over the last couple of years, and particularly since the direction deal went through the way in which there's

been some cross party movement of peers who have links with whales and the labor party cross benches. typically, the liberal democrats, there aren't many tories, but the appears to be coming together in appreciation of the challenges that facing the welsh governor will. and the welsh economy in general, which haven't yet been tackled. for example, these come under 2 or 3 teams. one is with regards to agriculture and the way in which the independent cultural policy of the welsh governments can be pursued within a strait jacket that seems to be run from london. and i know that the very strong tensions felt indeed by the and if you, for example, northern iowa as well as scotland and wales with regard to the australian deal, it's coming up. that's one instance. there's a question of state aid, the extent to which the wealth government can help and industry, such as a steel industry currently going through the difficulties and the danger that we

won't have the lot to do that we had to use funds from the european of source as they were in the past, the new funding arranged by the body johnson government, you're going to be manipulated from london and not in the hands of the wealth government. and then you have the, the spin up of rex is itself being held in the last few days, even in the tourist economy in wales where some of that tourist hotspots the know, opening up, mercifully after a very difficult period of finding it next to impossible to get labor because they depended so much on people coming from the european union to work a season in the welsh economy. the not coming know that sitting not only tourism is also hitting some of the care sector. and these issues are going to come home to roost. it will be difficult sometimes to differentiate between the effect of rex it and the effect of coven. but the 2 coming together is most certainly going to be

a major factor that people across party lines will be pressing in westminster to shannon and terms of the issues that you've campaigned on. and people often have the impression that non alice unionism has been very, very closely aligned with the conservative party. but many of the issues you campaigned on the find you campaigning with the labor party in the s m p and plan company. do you see that continuing as your dental social and economic justice has to be tackled my politics alex, left of center, a new secret would be where i would lie. i have a social call, a very deep social conscience. i, for many occasions will put on almost my, my garlic butter issues. i'm, i mean, those are things that night me with them. you may be with the neighbor party as well, on cultural issues, i suppose, and probably, and sometimes in foreign issues as well. i would probably feel more at peace and

more unlike was the conservative party. but i'm not natalie. a conservative secret . and maybe one of the lead to you my and my m p group who probably had the same opinion of my party left me. how about freedom? my human rights issues are, are something that i speak to but all the time and chair of the a p p g and freedom. i just belief i believe in speaking for those with questions, for those with older, for those with no fear. and i thought regular me on behalf of, of ethnic groups, religious groups across a word where i see and justice while my, my hearty x. and i want to stand off for those people. i will do that and continue to do not so, so we'll move forward and i'm also the party spokesperson when you are a small party to the way alex, as you you, you never had a not, not position but, and my case a small party. we have many portfolios will at minus the w pay. so department of walks and pensions so, so i do online with the request of, of your,

of the scott's not part in play. comrey and the liberal party in relation to the universal credit and on the retention of the point are actually over there during the day the corporate knock thing. so these are issues and i see people every day are struggling. and for me that's what i got. i'm, i've been privileged to be the member of parliament, and my job is to speak up for those who have no voice of those who have no one to speak for them. unable to, i will aligned cases. i don't say d c l p in north along said, please call me lord lord, what referred it along said your former party. i'll say it's called snobs, and you'll find us they're speaking in unison. and these matters of emma jemma. i led a small party before i land loved ones, so i could actually question jim shannon. evan, bruce,

does he know, become fuss, minister, or, or as effect of some other arrangement that's not altogether clear from us. observing the scene was going to happen, installment. that's what we want to know from huge shannon. evan does not want to be the 1st minister. there is some indication of others who may be in line for the operation. i'm mervin. story was the original person talk for the name, the 1st minister. i understand the urban doesn't want to differ because a partial hospital, so it looks like it made people given older people have been given positions to day, but the ministry positions have not been admin, will repeat his position here in the master where he does something past the work and i work alongside him and many things, so he will not be the 1st minister. he will be the leader of the party was worth the or a minister. so i'm afraid alex, you'll have to probably wait for a few to his for those material possessions to be disclosed. i'm not, not circle of friends. are they of the executive?

we make these decisions. but yes, it's a state the different that the leader of the party will not be for. it's been a shirt, not in this case on the way, but there's no chance of you being summoned the costs, the take office unexpectedly that jump up. so not looking, not alex, i don't expect the hava an urgent phone call from happened to bring to bring me home. i believe my rule at westminster is an important rule. i've got to play. i worked in this town because you know, for 12 years and a local country for 26 years before that. but, but i, i think my rules and i believe honestly my rule as a christian and i believe that she wants me to be is it west? no, sure. so i do my best there. i'm sure haven't told me it's very happy for me to be there. by the way, so i don't expect a phone call from him at all wiggly, i mean, you have the most successful leader of pike told me it was history pulling us,

i have a member upstart. s a p lead the way back in 1909. the past have developed said that in the sense that the, the s a b a one foot elections on the try to the scottish parliament applied, you know, haven't managed to make the big breakthrough again, that you expect that realistically to change or do you think that there's more toilet in a cool face before you get to that mission. i have no doubt that is going to change . the question is in what direction will change? but things may not happen in unison. in scotland and wales. when suspects that the british empire and then the united kingdom is unraveling in the order that brought together the republic. when 1st of all, in ireland, now scotland is knocking on the door for independence and wales. it should, of course, was united and incorporated by westminster,

back in 1536. maybe the last in the queue coming out of that 1st tab of office is something that is going to happen in wales. it is a different picture. and not only that, some people in the little labor member standing, the recent election, who pro independence, liberal democrats have been making sympathetic noises to independence and goes, what all. busy this comes back to is walked, does independence meet, and that's what's going to be spelled out, spelled out more clearly in scotland, no doubt in order to win a referendum, but also in wales. and i suspect that this is relevant to northern ireland. the type of relationship that we're working towards may not be the bogey that some people in northern ireland fear. it may be opening a door to a new relationship between the nations of these islands that will impact i am a sensible and

a restful place with all denied. and for the the rest of ireland working together within these islands. i'm also working together with the wider world data wiggly john shannon whenever the future of the united kingdom of wales are non ion before the they'll be strong, voices like yours are getting for the best benefits of the people. thank you so much for joining me and alex simon too much, alex we should have as are independently minded, gets appointed. i feel like just being extremely forgiving and awards and pass marks to the for your kid ministrations on the panoramic. no sooner had they said it than expected of christmas past in the form of dominant cummings or right or the comments can make the to disrupt the prime minister's wedding plot. still, despite the batching at the hands of his small advisor, victorious time on to that opinion, police over the opposition labor party. this is quite a static thing for a government party undergoing difficult crisis. i guess about pointed to the per

forces at work, which will be the stuff of nightmares of the present ruling parties in each of the administration. the 20 parts in england may have more to fear from them fail then for the official opposition. bought an es. folks at 30 to 40 parties, not one. and the destructive class may be coming labor and we'll have to fight, feel bad. they pulled that off. partial, at least by themselves, starting the cooling of welsh nationalism. they may not have yet let the genie to the bottle, but the dragon could be warming up northern irish union, esther gale again syndic, which is the good opinion, what it will say one time ally aboard is johnson who sold them down the river. one borders i'm finally in scotland. the s and p have one know 4 election on the spring . but i do really any closer to securing another referendum under declared aim of independence. it would be difficult for us in any more favorable circumstances than

the current prevailing winds. and so if not nice, benway might just not talk will be the viewers in the coming. yeah. i'm still for ne, from alex myself and all of the show. and then when do they stay safe? i'm hope to see you again next week. ah me ah, no. when i would show the wrong one, i'll just don't rule out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail. when so

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