while we were measuring it is bad, and that means the river is 35 pounds. then learning was year before, i think we're part of america. there's from or america. worse. you may folks. next up, i was trying to add another voice, but it's not good for me. i'm talking to a long island boy coming up john, for, you know, johnny's those the bar risky. i think it's one of the paramount network. now it's been few places, but it's now 10 pm on sunday nights, and they're in season, the 8, you know, the job john goes in applies to a tree, to a place display in a little sloppily running, get some back on their feet this year. he's out as a nice, heartfelt playing people then will absolutely flattened by the last year and some of these idiotic local government co restrictions. we'll talk to john about mar

rescues new season right up to this on dennis miller plus one. hey folks. welcome to dennis miller, la swan. this guy's a good guy, john, for now, and he's in entrepreneur tv personality best selling author is best known, of course as the, unless you're in that biz, i'm sure other people know i'm on and even deeper level. but, you know, as the creator, host executive, producer bar rescue on paramount network. i think that coming up on some crazy amount of episodes, maybe 200 that sticks in my head. well, as johnny, you can see season a to bar su, sundays at 10 pm on. oh, look at him moving up town to the paramount network. and john, how are you? i'm doing great. dennis. good to talk to you buddy. further,

as it approach 200 ups, we just shot 200, which is, you know, is crazy milestone. i mean i put i do a pilot and go home dennis nonetheless, season 3456. so it's feeling pretty good to get it to that level. i love the idea you had man way back when you can see some guys sit, a lot of people have a baffled chamber between them getting an inspiration and i realize and then there are other guys who just moved through it. you combined a couple shows in your head right and said wow, i should do that with with bars. tell me, tell me about the birth of the idea. well, somebody i was giving a speech to convention and somebody comes up to me and says, you should be on tv. so i thought to myself, kitchen nightmares and mission impossible. i'll take the file out with the different agents. i'll drop the ones down each week that i'm going to do and i'll have different experts if you will, each week. and i, i went to a friend of mine who ran tv for paramount because i had been

a consultant to them over the years in written restaurant business. he says to me, john, the get it. you will never be on television. you're too old, you're not good looking enough. it's never going to happen. so i'm driving through the paramount gates. after that meeting i said to hell with that, i shot my own sizzle real. it was originally called on the rocks, sent it to 4 studios, then it's got 4 out of 4 offers. it was on tv less than a year later. and i set my buddy a dozen black roses. and will leave a ball and believe me, just going back. i could tell you're 66. i'm 67 cut peter graves throw. and greg morris, peter lupus, barbara bay, marty land, dallas roland, have with the great while. oh schiffron south track you could tell we grew up on the same ship. oh, march. yeah. remember that we faced out world leaders and stuff. i love that very

cool. john. when did you? you have such a track record in it, and at some point you must have just thought, well, i got to get in this business, did you jump in as an owner? did you jump in as a consultant? tell me about where you went from. bar tanden and work and doors and stuff. you know, i wound up believe it and not a grossinger is in the catskill mountains. and so i became a hotel guy, and then i started my own company back in 1986. dennis is a consulting company and we did many, many bars around the world even in places like hong kong, bangkok. so we became very, very well known bar and nightclub consultants and developers. and we build properties for hyatt international and companies like that. and then in 1989, i started owning my own operations. and you know, that was, i got it up to 17 different bars and 17 different size. had the hollywood palace for a while, and hollywood, and a bunch of others and just got good at it. you know, john, i know i've known

a few people over the years who bought a place. i have one friend who buys a lot of restaurants and not him. i don't want to say him because he's very good about his clientele. but most of the guy, as i knew who owned bars a little further down now told me that the plea leakage was not, was not made up. there was a lot going at the door if they didn't have their systems type, right? oh completely. you have partners, dennis, that you are aware of well, but yes, you know, i'll tell you a funny story. last week's bar rescue episode was depend, demik is going on, and the owner watched his house 3 months before i got there. but he's still running his credit cards up to pay all of his employees. so he pays them for months during the pandemic, while the place is closed. now he gets to open

a 25 percent capacity. the employees all come back. i come in do an audit, and they're robbing him blind after his house a while. so i like the approach that you're taking this year and you can tell the people more about it wasn't show we're talking about obviously, you know, john folks baretski is now on the paramount network. and john's always gone in and was like the guy, the guy who said he cooked for the queen and didn't occasionally go in and find a place is just got the bad color scheme, the bad seating. it's not clean, they're not the want to type, but i like the shift you made this year because there are people absolutely laid low by this overly efficient. yeah, i'll said the government, local guys were just running them into the ground. so tell me about the tweak in the approach this year job. what are you looking for on the show? you know, dennis, what you said was so powerful to me, because the pandemic didn't cause their failure. the government shut down,

caused their failure. and you know, i think that there should be a separation and we take a look at what is the cause of this. but you know, these are owners that risk their life put their life savings up, open these businesses and government shut them down. so as an end result, they didn't fail because of themselves. they failed because of this environment that they've been placed in. and then mac driven government buttoned up if you will . so it's a different kind of an episode, but you know, they're still responsible in some ways. then if there were still restaurants that did better during the pandemic than others with to go programs and they were nimble and they shifted. there were some that held more money back and they were smarter about their money. there were some that remodeled in some that didn't. so there's no faults upon them in some cases. but this is a very different season. you know, there was another one coming up in a few weeks. they watched their house 3 days before we got there. and 4 children under 10 years older, sleeping on a wooden floor upstairs. dennis and, you know,

everybody's talked about how the industry has been impacted by the pandemic. this season, a bar rescue shows how individuals the owners, the employees have been affected. employees are carpooling because they lost their cars. they've lost their homes, are sleeping and living in each other's homes. it's a nightmare. and you know what, john? not everybody in that business is nimble a foot and immediately training or not. everybody's danny meyer. what about the mom and pops place? the makes the best open faced turkey sandwich with chunky mash in the neighborhood . and i go in there all the time. all of a sudden i met at the door like it's the andromeda strain and i can't get in. i don't expect everybody in the restaurant business to be peer and met marie curie. some of them are just good mom and pop restaurants and they rolled these people and i am livid about it as i assume you are. oh and even more, in some cases, dennis, their 3rd generation owners of

a mom and pop restaurant that you know it's been around for 70 years. sinus in milwaukee comes. the plaza bar in new york is closed after being open 120 years and it's close. so you're right. i am aggravated about it and you know, families have been devastated by this. but you know, some of these bars dennis are part of the community. they're important parts of their community, so the community suffer to when this happens. well, we're talking to our friend john tapper and the show, of course, you know, bar rescue sundays 10 pm on the paramount network. and it seems to me that even if they run something, you can pick it up somewhere on the backsides streaming repeated. you know this stuff, or you just got a forage a little for, you know, something i series. somebody asked me the other day, and i'm going to ask john about it after the break. they said, what do you think the, the unintended consequence of this? i hearken back to him, burns brilliant documentary, the prohibition. i have a feeling if they quick keep screwing with this mash stuff,

we might hear the word speak easy cropping up a lot more than we used to talk to. john tapper bought it right up to this. dennis miller plus one the join me every 1st day on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport, business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me quoted mechanics work so well. people don't like to use the word inconsistent. they like to say, oh it's, it's amazing and comprehensive oral mysterious. but i say it can't be quite right. and this is what direct says, this is what i was reading this

weekend and obviously wanted and i'm and johnny douglas gave me the gotta go through the the or up the kitchen table out them out. i got a game. i don't get a get, we'll put it on the show that the lady said, well, i mean, really lucky done this young lamp, me up and everybody who bought by little my uncle by then because

you guys name my last name. why or why not? what i mean a folks. welcome back to dennis miller plus one. we're talking to long neck, long islands. greatest. very good. great. next law guy island. great guy. always thought roger. have greg was born there? great neck long island spiders. john, her and john, if they listen, i've already heard rumors and this is we were talking earlier, but government overreach in my book. now they've let people open the door, caused cafe society and i have a feeling that there are contrary ends and there, it's almost perverse to me that we're going to try to roll back the sidewalks when

it does move inside. as soon as they can, instead of letting the people who were just off the you know, off the clock for a year, use both of them for a while to get flesh again before they start eating back on the sidewalk. stuff. i have a feeling that if they keep pushing this stuff, a lot of people like during prohibition or go to go to some sort of civil disobedience in the form of a speak easy or i, you know, i just won't do it. what, what are your thoughts so my day over dramatic? no, i don't think you are dennis, cuz in some cases people are fighting for their lives. remember the bar owner and staten island who they shut down and he went crazy against the governor. so we've had some of these people rise over the past few months, but no, i think these are people's livelihoods, and i think they're backed up against the wall and i think they have no choice really. on the other hand, if i can be really positive for a moment, think about this, dennis. we're going to lose about 38 percent of our independent bars and

restaurants across the country. when this is over 38 percent, that's a big number. think of the families devastated by that, but we're seeing in las vegas now. for example, the strip is full. we were busy this weekend all california license plates, but we were busy this weekend, so i see the marketplace this summer coming back in droves. let's say 80 to 90 percent of the market comes back, but we have 38 percent less capacity in restaurants. so if 90 or 80 percent of the market comes back and we have 38 percent less capacity, that's boom town. so i see great opportunity for the restaurants that can survive, that we have additional taxes coming down the road and gotten those regulatory actions and things that are going to happen these next few months. and i'm guessing you're right, they're going to roll up some of the sidewalk elements and such. but at the end of the day, the restaurants that make it to july and august. i think we have a great opportunity next year. well, as soon as it does come back with a vengeance,

i hope people exact that vengeance on the next election day. folks, you have to look around you locally and you have to clock who the guy was who stepped in like some junior league potentate and started telling you that he wasn't going to let you into an outdoor restaurant unless, unless he deemed that that was going to be the case. meanwhile, she turns out footage, like newsome in the french laundry has gone to the private restaurant. it's unbelievable what they've done there. i know there was a virus, i'm not an idiot, but the way they played it the way they went after contractors like manicurist, trainers, waiters, waitresses, bar tendons. what do they have on common? free agents not really vested in the heard people who want to make their living and be left alone. just remember that they were squelched over the course of this. it's, it's the most vivid t card that you can read. we're talking to john tapper once again. it's done

a little know, and i'm with you buddy, but you know, it also should illustrate to people the power of local government and how, you know, sometimes we don't pay as much attention a local government. we focus on national campaigns. but it was a local government in very many cases that made these choices. local school districts, welcome chapters of unions, etc, that made these decisions. so i think we need to take look at politics from locality as well as national real hard this next cycle. exactly. john, tell me about tappers cover franchise. i'll just be on a some tab lawrence on this. i see it in the notes. i'm not hit to it. i see it was hatch during the covert. tell me barbara. so it's actually a cool story that is about 2 and a half years ago, unemployment was so low that the restaurant industry couldn't find employees. so i said, the casual dining restaurant model doesn't work. could i create a kitchen that has 60 percent less employees using robotics and computers?

could i create the kitchen to the future? so i worked in test kitchens for 2 and a half years, working with sue be cooking techniques and computerized combi ovens. we call them that you steam and infrared, and why even convection, all at the same time, and i develop this kitchen of the future whammo cobit hits. so we created a franchise model. we saw 22 franchises as cobit is, is developing. once cobit hit, we realized, wow, we had the safest kitchen in a world. there's no counter space. there's no traditional stoves, there's no grease, there's no prep areas. so we started franchising tappers tavern. now we have our 1st one in georgia. we're opening and washington in boston, and it's the kitchen to the future. it's really cool, very, very automated. so it's really consistent, dennis, everything is so computerized. that product is really consistent. labor burden is

much lower and we're doing really well it's, it's what happens when you tear up the book and start from scratch and we did that with tappers tavern. you know what i mean when i even hear tavern? i think gleason, with the rolled up sleeves and the robin, the bar, frank fontaine cruise. i hope that in these bars of the future, john, part of a tavern field to me is the man of the of it all does it? does it were you if we turn this to, to blood let's your thoughts? it's interesting to say that because our slogan for the company is a bar is a bar, but a tavern has soul. and you're right, you know, a tavern is part of a community. there's a famous british philosopher who called the bar, i forget the name of the last for the coveted 3rd place. then she got home, you got work, and then you got that 3rd place that we go to. it's an important part of our life than our traffic. so these bars are important and you're right,

you take the people out, there is no soul. so, you know, we've, we've created tappers tavern to exploit interaction ceiling heights. i levels everybody's eyes are within an inches of each other to cause interaction. the flow patterns cause interaction. all of these things are designed to create that human dynamic that we talk about. you can make a scotch and soda home then if you don't need me for that, you can program your music program, your satellite system. the one thing that i have that you can do at home is that whole humanity, that whole interaction element. and that's the core of our business, and i own the term reaction management. and i've always felt that i'm not in a restaurant business. i feel that you're not in the pod cast business right now. you're in the reaction business. you're achieving it through your podcast. but at the end of the day, if you don't create reactions from the pod cast to podcast is meaningless. so i would suggest that you and i were both in

a business of reactions and he or she who creates the greatest reactions wins. and you're right that sold that humanity drives all of that. now i'll be honest with you, john. i find the world so screwed up right now i'm making scotch and soda is by porn . 2 bottles done. mike gullet like some alcoholic. try to be smile and i think that in the future you know what if p honest to god i was never even been here. nora. my now i work old and mad around 5 o'clock each day i was never nic. and nora charles with the med thing, i do get to, i almost feel like this has been good for a whole call because you definitely i need, i think need the wind. i'm a little industry. did these on line happy hours and drink training programs and stuff, and everybody's consumption at home is gone way up. i own a mixer. why?

no cocktail mixers and a seltzer wine of alcohol accelerators. and we've done really, really well, because people are drinking at home, but they're making sophisticated cocktails at home and they're having some fun with it. and as you're right, i think we sort of need it now. you know, i'm trying to, did you have a lemonade stand that branched out to a palmer granite stand when you are kid, you can see the entrepreneurial thing. and here you've tast. taken a pretty basic american birthright, which is to go somewhere and have a cocktail. the immigrants saw that it and you seem to be smart enough. you dwell in the or you can see the brand shots, the off shoots. when did you 1st get hit to the fact that your mine would see something and think what's, what's the tweak? what's the up sale on that? when i was 9 years old, i created a company called aardvark enterprises because it started with an a. and i went to summer camp and we charged the counselors to dollar to shoulder massages and $0.50 for cold cans. a coke that i bought at the time for $0.10,

and i made $300.00 my 1st summer when i was 9 years old. so i've always been in business dennis my whole life. my family was very entrepreneurial when i grew up my grandfather and actually invented direct mail. so i have a rich history of entrepreneurs around me, so i've been at it my whole life. i love it. all right, before i get to the question about direct mail, it's 2 ways. the beginning a bard bark and nowadays you cinder kid away to camp, you're afraid to counselor, but given him a shoulder up anyway, what do you mean your family inventive direct? what do you, ron pope, peals kid? what is no, actually my my grandfather and the early twenty's had when he was 16 years old, had a printing press and he print the flyers for stores in brooklyn. and he got the idea to go to newspaper stands and put his flyers in the newspapers early in the morning at 34 or 5 in the morning. so he was inserting the wires for the stores all over

brooklyn. and an ad agency called new era, hired him, bought out his company and created the 1st direct marketing division in the history of advertising. and it evolved into direct mail and such. and that was my grandfather. he actually remember the old volvo commercials. 70 percent of all the owners are college educated. the other smart that was my grandfather. that was, my grandfather was obviously bled down through the lineage because i see your i see your fingerprints and footprints all over the beginning of nfl sunday ticket . tell me about that, john. well, that's a great story that us. so i was operating sports bars and one operator in the year and a company called com sack which had to manage all the satellites and space had all the pay per view systems for movies and all of that called me up and said, john, we want a license and an f

n l signal for out of market sports programming. this is a 95. we want to hire your company to do an industry assessment. tell us how big the market is, what bars can afford to pay and tell us if it's feasible. so we did, we did a real caught feasibility study on what bars would pay and what an f l programming could bring in and revenue. they then came back to us and said, wow, this is really cool. do another report and tell us what the programming would look like. and originally, dennis, if you were in new york, you could buy, let's say, the dallas cowboys signal, and the local coaches show that was it. you would just be able to buy that one game from the different cities that were available. so as we're designing the product, something happened called compression. where you could receive multiple signals on one transponder, one dish. that's when we are able to move it up to 7 or 8 games. so we design a product, then combat comes to the 3rd time and says, give us a list of all the companies that would buy it. so we do that. com said takes my 3

studies, the feasibility, the product than the market goes to the nfl to license it. and it says, this is great. let's do it ourselves. put me on a board the nfl enterprises. and it turned into sunday ticket by johnny, i'd say right, please drive time. but man, just the fact that you are already flipped over the 1st faded dirt line, that one city one signal one house purchase you are so position that day they announced compression. you must the set off, so my guy lombardo music, got a couple motion. don bottles are cracked open. right. and you're right to star is a line then it then it turned into sunday ticket as we know it. and then we did marketing, flicks and manuals for all the bars, but you remember when we introduced that it was only available commercial, you couldn't get it at home. so if you're in new york and you wanted to see the dallas, can you had to go to a bar that had sunday ticket to see that game 3 years later we open that up

residentially, which of course changed the whole product greatly, cuz everybody had it at home, at that point. yeah. you wanted to see a dallas game in the late sixties, early seventies and got them. we had to go down to the lone star cafe where they had the big gala monster out on the mark p. we've been talking to john tab and johnny by the way, a lot of people got you said a lot of people are making drinks at home, more involved drinks than they used to. you should tell one of your bar owners that i don't think they're going to be able to take a world class martini. so they should pitch them something called martini t. e n y. just the little one. sipped martini. i think there's a that's a great years ago. one of my restaurants i used to so i love that idea. years ago in my restaurants i used to sell the world small. it's hot, budge, sunday and it was like in a shot glass. where do i scream little hot buds, cherry,

and it was the world small was type something every time we put it down in front of people, they complained it was too small. look up to build it as the world smoke was unbelievable. the customer is always right except of course when they're wrong, we have enjoyed our time with john tapp or folks happy go lucky. entrepreneur. tv personality best selling author, and he is the creator, host and executive producer of bar rescue can see it on the paramount network. now she's a native, are su, sundays 10 p. m. as they said on the paramount network, johnny good to touch base with the brother were parked down the road to about 2 years. all right, john, this is dennis miller plus one. 0,

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk the we're segregated all along my social class. last class. people though, also covered by 1st if you're born into a 4 family, you're born into a minority family. if you're born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your lives, chances people die on average. 15 years old, you born a generational poverty. it's a 5. it's

a fight every day to meet your needs and the needs of your family. me the, i don't know, i mean there are some fits in there were rescuing the food that they were not scavenging or were rescuing resources that are still good. this is best buy march 21st, which is in 2 days. all these potatoes, holla, pianos, onions, all of these came from waste ground sources. this is great for me because i'm always looking for a way to give things away. doctor, because the tax laws, you know, definitely do benefit the wealthy people in our society. so that makes sense for them to throw it out right off rather than give it to somebody who could use it. and then that person is not going to buy it.

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